What job position has the all around smartest people?

Doctors? Lawyers? Investment bankers? To me it would be venture capitalists. All the venture capitalist I have met are crazy smart

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Feb 3, 2019

physicists tend to be smart

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Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

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Feb 4, 2019

yes, unbelievable people are saying entrepreneurs and PE.

Oh yeah, the middle market PE MD that took 50 years to climb the ladder has way more cognitive ability than those discovering new elements or those studying the fabric of the universe.

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Feb 4, 2019

Oh wait, you've discovered how to alter the genetic code in humans to determine physical characteristics like a video game? nahhh i think I'll go with the guy selling mattresses through an app.

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Feb 4, 2019

I've met a few spectacularly brilliant scientists without an ounce of savvy or intuition.

That's why below I said the smartest people seem to be biotech investors. They usually have advanced scientific degrees and the ability to grasp other people's work quickly (not an easy thing to do -- ask a mathematician), putting them on par with pure scientists. But they also tend to have a strategic skill set to boot.

Feb 4, 2019

For sure, physics hardos seem to have a different understanding of the world.

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Feb 4, 2019

Biotechnology investors for sure.

(The successful ones that is -- lots of clueless people trying their hands)

Feb 5, 2019

I feel like Shkreli falls into the latter camp.

Feb 6, 2019

I second this. Some of these biotech VC's are not only investing in winners but cranking out billion dollar companies like they're fuckin goin out of style.

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Feb 3, 2019

The top tier entrepreneurs I've dealt with are by far the brightest...but the majority of entrepreneurs are completely stupid. The only way I've managed to find quality entrepreneurs to hang around is by reaching out to them directly. I'm in EO ($1M floor) and soon YPO ($10M floor) but I found EO is full of luckier than smart entrepreneurs. The YPO guys are more impressive but the family money douche bags are really lame and kind of drag the organization down because any fucking moron can invest their daddy's money in real estate.

I deal with a fair amount of well known VCs and they are definitely dumber than PE guys. This is reflected in their returns. There are some exceptions, but as a group, I'm impressed far more frequently with the PE guys than VCs I deal with.

One of our potential investors is a PE higher up @ a fairly large fund and I was shocked by the level of tactical knowledge he had in the eCommerce space. He was asking me incredibly detailed questions that I know for a fact most people in the space would not know the answers to. This was mind blowing to me because his day to day does not involve tactical work and he has no background at all in the space. His questions were deep and demonstrated a true understanding of how things mesh together. All the ex-PE guys I've hired too have the ability quickly adapt/learn and always deliver quality work.

On the VC side...I've met literally one that I've been impressed by. The others are luckier than they are smart in my experience and I've met a ton of VCs.

My original plan after installing management in my first successful company was to get into VC and I was even willing to take a pay cut to do it because I wanted to learn from the smartest people possible so I ended up talking to a lot of them, but...not really impressive. A lot of academic/engineer types that are full of themselves.

Re: doctors/lawyers/etc... I don't think they're intelligent at all. Most of the time they're a by-product of their environment. It's really not hard to get good grades and go to school like you're told to if you come from a solid family. The reason I know this is because when I was doing angel deals, a lot of the guys I'd hang around were doctors and lawyers or other white collar professionals and I think I met two or three guys out of 200/300 people that I felt were smart. Both were doctors but they were doing biotech deals and structuring them well.

Sorry about the rant and if anything comes across and condescending in any way, just something I put a TON of time into thinking about and executing when I wrapped up my first co since I personally find I'm the most motivated and happiest when working with smart people. I hope that helps at the very least.

Feb 3, 2019

Entrepreneurs often too narrow minded/have a very specific focus, while this can be impressive at first, I prefer PE guys that have the ability to understand the depth of every industry from TMT to FIG and O&G. The majority of 'entrepreneurs' are just glorified unemployed people - especially when they mention deep tech and it relates to Blockchain/AI or machine learning (read data analytics/statistics)/big data(although this trend seem to be gone now).

Completely agree with VC/PE types of people. VCs usually tend to have a great network and a great social intelligence and as entrepreneurs a narrow focus on a specific segment. while PE guys have a more hands on, practical intelligence. I think that you can learn from anyone but differently.

I agree for Doctors/lawyers - my brother is a doctor, dumb (lack of logical, critical thinking...) as fuck but was able to memorise thousands of pages.

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Feb 3, 2019

Nailed it!

Feb 8, 2019

Too narrow of a focus? VC/Ent. type of people are thinking about markets and concepts that haven't even been created yet. In relation to tech, they're often researchers or kid-genius'.

I would also argue that the TMT banker has a surface level understanding of the technologies they cover. They understand what makes a successful business, not necessarily correlated with overall intelligence. At the end of the day, any professional services employee is just a trained seal.

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Feb 3, 2019

Is this a trick question? All paid jobs absorb and degrade the mind. Sure, PE guys might be smart compared to the other slaves. But they are still just slaves. Nothing compares to the intellectual mind of the bum or the independently wealthy

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Feb 4, 2019

lol no

Feb 3, 2019

Impressive troll job

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Feb 4, 2019

not sure if this is a troll, but getting people to work for 40 or 50 years at 50 hours a week is a massive con job and is basically slavery.

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Feb 3, 2019

This is a naive question. The world is full of smart men and women in different jobs and I dont think smart people classify themselves and tend to work in something specific. Most of the smartest people I have known have completely random and "non-elite" jobs while a minority are doctors and entrepreneurs. Truth is that it takes some intellectual curiosity and rigor to get to be a doctor or start a company successfully, but it is an error to assume smart people look forward to do these things because people have different circumstances (luck, preferences, dreams...), actually, the smartest man I have ever known is a musician

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Feb 3, 2019

Anything related to aerospace engineering or neuroscience

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Feb 3, 2019

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Feb 3, 2019

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Feb 4, 2019

If we're judging by money/effort, I'd say a regular whore. But, if we're saying money x effort, probably an entrepreneur.

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Feb 4, 2019

Am i crazy? How can everyone think people in business are the 'smartest'? Define smart i guess, but if we're going by pure cognitive ability (maybe even measured by IQ) there is no way business people are the smartest. It's definitely people in the sciences, maybe hard maybe soft, I'm not sure.

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Feb 3, 2019

IQ isn't a measure of intelligence.

Feb 16, 2019

Yes, it is. I was dating this girl for 4 years... One night, we were watching shark tank and you know these entrepreneurs seek to raise capital (ex: Seeking 20% for $100,000) and out of no where, I asked her how much do you think he/she is valuing their company and she didn't know. Fine so I showed her math and she was still lost... I couldn't really blame her, she didn't grow up in a good area or an decent area but it still kind of bothered me, just a little...

Feb 5, 2019

Or look at average ACT/SAT and compare them for undergrad business programs vs science vs engineering...tends to favor the latter two.

Feb 7, 2019

Yeah but they all the dumb business people get filtered out in HR roles.

I work with a ton of engineers, and I can tell you that they are good at regurgitation and focusing on narrow problems. Don't get me wrong, there are a ton of absolutely brilliant engineers out there, but they're all geared towards simple goals with few variables-
Want: highest grade, not to look like a fool at work
Action: study more, make flashcards, don't party

Top business people have to juggle way more variables and complex, changing goals. Most truly brilliant engineers climb the corporate ladder quickly because of this. Their mental algorithms look more like this-
Want: better social life, more wealth, stability, and other desires acquired through introspection
Actions: infinite, and most of the time unwritten

Feb 5, 2019

The confusion is a result of the ambiguity of the word intelligence. Is it IQ? If so, yeah the average engineering > average business program.
People are conflating IQ with determination or with success. I'm not sure that they map out as well as we'd like to believe.

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Feb 4, 2019

Correct, that's why in my original post above i called for a definition of intelligence. I think most people are confusing with industriousness, savvy or competence.

Feb 5, 2019

This is a very WSO-y question

Feb 3, 2019

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Feb 5, 2019

NASA? Anything to do with rockets?

Feb 5, 2019

Astronauts, hands down

Feb 6, 2019

That's what we're gonna do today? Jack ourselves off?

Feb 3, 2019

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Feb 6, 2019

Neurosurgeons

Feb 7, 2019
Feb 16, 2019