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lemme rank em for u: Harvard, Stanford, Wharton -gap- Booth, Columbia, Sloan, Kellog, Stern, Tuck -gap- Darden, Haas, McCombs, Ross, Yale SOM, Fuqua - gap- Keenan-Flagler, Anderson -gap- who cares after this point.
p.s. point is updated ranking don't matter, shit don't change.
This. Though Stern alums would be justifiably excited by where that gap is placed.
you forgot fuqua and anderson :P and obv but was just curious to see what happens with some certain schools that have been gaining momentum and others that have been losing momentum
there u go, added UCLA and UNC (even though I feel they are both a level below the other top publics).
You're like the zen master of bschools lately. Do you have charts drawn up? I've started my research but I get the impression that you've got the mother lode of stats (grades obsessed, rising ranking, declining ranking, average GMAT, etc, etc, etc)
I think Short has a very detailed database on MBB recruiting at Top 15.
Me too.
Doesn't the ranking change a little depending on what exactly you want to do with your degree? Most notably, I hear that Kellogg vs Chicago = Consulting vs Finance. Not 100% strict, of course, but as a general rule. True?
Based on reputation and employer assessment score, Stern is in the same league as Haas, Ross, Yale, etc., and McCombs doesn't really belong in that group unless you want to be in Texas and/or energy.
lol i only have recruiting numbers for some schools i look at poet and quants database for a lot. mccombs also top for energy and yes re: what is best for what... fuqua and ross have awesome stats if you want to do MBB consulting as well...
i honestly think stern is a bit over rated and a bit of a degree mill, fuqua/yale are giving it a run for its money for top 10 slot
i would NOT put stern in with m7 and tuck grouping @ all.
It figures, i'd pick UT over NYU no doubt (thats cuz i'm a Texan though).
In Ross's 2011 employment report, I saw that KKR hired an MBA. I thought KKR and other top PE shops only recruit at H/S/W. Anyone know what's the deal here?
im sure they usually do and it wont be a constant trend -- but do you know what kind of role at KKR?
Just came across a Duke MBA who got into TPG. No prior BB IB or any PE experience. And it seemed this person had a PE role, and not operational one.
I saw a few regional MM PE firms recruit from Ross/Duke and that wasn't really surprising. To see people get placed at megafunds is really surprising.
maybe that guy is well connected.
I don't know. The report just mentions KKR. It could be a KKR Capstone role possibly, given that Ross is strong in GM and operations.
I was surprised to see Baring Private Equity recruit from Ross. BPE is pretty well known in Asia.
Anyone get the feeling that Wharton and Kellogg are on a bit of a decline. Not out of M-7 obviously, but losing a little luster?
id say columbia and NYU on decline, yale and duke on increase.. although columbia may bump with new building.
snyder+new building=good times for yale ahead
Rumor has it that NYU is going to be ranked first for finance. Up from third last year.
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools…
Rumor has it that NYU is going to be ranked first for finance. Up from third last year.
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools…]
Hahahahaahaha @ Stern > CBS, and SOM rising through the ranks.
I attend one of these M7 schools (pretty sure you know by now which one), and honestly, this stuff doesn't matter. Everyone and their mothers is a rankings whore before they apply to school/banks, etc. Once you're in, it doesn't matter...seriously.
Base your decisions on what schools provide you with the exits, brand, and network that you value most, not on some piece of shit rankings that US News released, which by the way changes each year because their methodology changes each year.
If you want to do banking, CBS/Wharton/Booth all the way. Consulting, HBS/Wharton/Booth/Kellogg/CBS all the way. PE/VC, GSB/HBS/Wharton. Use that and other metrics to figure out where you'd like to go. Do you really think schools change that MUCH YoY? They don't. So, looking at the latest USnews report won't provide you with anything you didn't know before, other than the amount of time you just wasted looking this information up.
if you get into HBS/GSB, awesome. Go there Otherwise... if you want to work in finance/consulting/hedge fund & live in philly: go to Wharton If you want to work in consulting/banking in NYC: CBS Operations: Sloan Consulting in Chicago or Marketing: Kellogg Banking in Chicago: Booth
And didn't you reapply for Bschool last fall? Do you know where you're headed yet?
i think wharton and booth may tighten a bit more
How exactly are you measuring decline/increase when it comes to bschools? If it's rankings, they tend to fluctuate. However, reputation among employers doesn't change materially within 5 or even 10 years. Some schools have managed to go up in USN because of their GMAT-whorish behavior, but if you look at their employer assessment scores, they have barely budged. HSW are in the 4.5-4.6 range, Chi/K/M/Col are in the 4.3-4.4 range, Dartmouth is about 4.2, and the rest of the top 15, i.e. Haas, NYU, Ross, Yale, Duke, etc. are in the 4.0-4.1 range. This clustering hasn't changed for more than 10 or more years.
Every school is regional outside of the top 3-5. The end.
Oh man. You too?
Please dont get caught up in US News rankings mania like every other b-school tool. These type of posts are expected from dudes like Brady4MVP-I-love-HBS-fapfapfapsplooge, not you.
They come out in a week.
yes i know the exit ops are what matters im VERY cognizant of this, im just curious to hear the fluctuations out of curiosity for this year :P only reason.. not going to base my future off them.. TOO much :P
hmm weird i dont remember putting 'did any of the m7 drop out of that list' in my original post? was that edited in? now i know why im being flamed for that lol
MARCH 13TH RELEASE DATE TOP TEN PREVIEW
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/top-business-scho…
Top ten in alpha order School name (state) Columbia University (NY) Dartmouth College (Tuck) (NH) Harvard University (MA) Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Sloan) Northwestern University (Kellogg) (IL) Stanford University (CA) University of California--Berkeley (Haas) University of Chicago (Booth) University of Pennsylvania (Wharton) Yale University (CT)
Didn't know Sloan, Haas, Booth, Wharton became states. COOL bro.
NYU Stern out of the top 10.
Bang.
Like someone said before, once you get outside the top 5 (H/S/W/Booth/Columbia), the rest of the top 15 are marginally different- Throw NYU, Cornell, Duke, UVA, Mich and I suppose UNC into the mix.
Believe me when I tell you that if a recruiter looks at a Sloan resume vs a NYU resume, they will most likely consider it a wash. Unless, you are in that top 5, no one will really cares about who is number 6 or who is number 12. IT ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR PRIOR EXPRIENCE. If you want to be a banker- I dont care if you were a hotshot marketing man and then went Tuck, if that kid from UNC has structruing or something banking related on his resume, he is going to get the look first.
Forget rankings, because its hardly apples to apples. Just worry about how many alumni each school has in the field you are interested in pursuing. Then try to beef up your rezzy' with relevant experience.
PS- I have noticed a huge lovefest with Yale SOM in the past 5 years. However I find very few of them in the Street.
columbia is not top 5 above northwestern >
[quote=shorttheworld]columbia is not top 5 above northwestern >
Groupings (Comparable OCR within each group):
HBS, Stanford
Wharton
Kellogg, Sloan, Booth, Columbia
4.Tuck, Haas, Yale, NYU, Ross
Duke, UNC, Darden, Cornell
Tepper, McCombs
Bang.
I would modify this:
Kelllogg, MIT, Booth
Tuck, Columbia
Ross, Duke, Darden, NYU, Haas
Yale, UNC, Cornell
Tepper, McCombs
Yale can play all the GPA and GMAT numbers game it wants but it ain't in the top 10 for those who matter. If you get into Yale MBA good luck trying to find a recruiter for McKinsey (they don't have a recruiter for Yale SOM, you have to apply online. How humiliating. Paying $150k for an MBA and have to complete an online app).
I didn't realize McKinsey was the only consulting firm on the planet.
Bain and BCG, as mentioned both recruit here too. BCG hired 9 summers this year and offers are still trickling in. Bain hired 7 summers last year. Out of a class size of 235, the percentages is about the same as many other top schools.
I assume you went to UNC, as only an alum would believe that ranking.
Every bank and every consulting firm recruits at McCombs...I assume that is true of the others here as well (maybe not UNC, don't know about Tepper). Thus, 4 5 6 tiers are pretty much the same. Same people apply, same people get in. But no one with a brain would go to Darden, or Stern, if they wanted to be in Texas...likewise, no one would go to Ross if they wanted to be in California (or at least they shouldn't).
Sorry if it disappoints you all, but they arent teaching magic at these schools. Outside of a handful, go to the school that gives you the strongest network and exit opportunities in the region in which you wish you live.
Looking for a Booth leapfrog of MIT and perhaps Wharton.
Bang.
bain and BCG recruit at at yale, but yes theyre not a MBB sweep like ross or fuqua in terms of core
We go through this tiering/grouping exercise literally every week.
yes and we love it!!!!!!
yesssssssssss lol
lets forget US News rankings... lets do a wow-factor ranking instead (reputation and prestige), because most wont get a PE gig straight out of bschool, and later getting a PE gig would depend more on the experience. PE shops (checked online) usually ask for previous experience AND an MBA from a top institution. This ranking is trying to address that requirement. (recruiter: "Is an MBA from Wharton more -prestigious- than the applicant with an MBA from booth?", etc It also tries to address the wow-factor for other finance jobs / c-level jobs in industry.
Woud it be something like this?
Questions: 1. Should we put Wharton in a different tier from Sloan and Booth or has that gap disappeared. 2. Is Sloan in the second tier? It seems that for some it is, and for others it is not.
^^^^
truth!
Does it matter where you go?
I have never understood why people use USNews when it is a magazine that most people would not buy or even bother taking with them if they found it on a train or airplane. I would be surprised is the clownshoes that write their list have gone to b-school or even walked through one. The Bloomberg Business Week, rankings seem to be a bit more useful as their writers actually cover business.
Business Week top five could really be ranked just about anyway you wanted depending on what you want to do. Chicago Booth (strong in finance and strategy, think banking and consulting) Harvard (strong in brand, think general management) UPenn (strong in general business education, think banking or CFO) Kellogg (strong in marketing, think consulting or brand management) Stanford (strong in entrepreneurship, want to start a company?)
Totally depends on what you want to do, there is really no regional bias with any of these programs, all are good global brands. Harvard likely has a very strong brand advantage, but the trade off is that you don't learn anything outside of a case study.
I honestly challenge anyone on this thread to tell me that they read USNews on a weekly basis or any place other than their doctor's office.
I don't care what they cover. Their rankings are laughable. Stanford 5? SMU 12!? They arent in the top 2 schools in their own state. Michigan State ahead of YSOM?
I honestly wish they wouldn't waste their time.
Looks like they're out now:
Previous Top 10: 1. Stanford 2. Harvard 3. Sloan 4. Wharton 5. Booth 5. Kellogg 7. Haas 7. Tuck 9. Columbia 10. Stern 10. Yale SOM
NEW TOP 10 1. Harvard 1. Stanford 3. Wharton 4. Sloan 4. Kellogg 4. Booth 7. Haas 8. Columbia 9. Tuck 10. Yale SOM
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools…
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