Best books to learn trading?

Hi everyone,

So I am currently a rising sophomore at a target ivy. I just transferred here from a non target after a not so stellar high school track record.

I am an extremely motivated person who knows what its like to live in poverty. I believe being in that situation caused me to appreciate money as well as developed my business oriented mind.

From lemonade stands when i was younger, to selling candy and cd,s in h.s at double the price at which i bought it, i have always been obsessed with generating profits. I have also been working 55 hour weeks at my job in order to save up money to start trading.

I am aware that there is no book that can actually teach me trading, and that is why i have started paper trading. i also have a few friends that have given me $1000 each to invest. so i currently have $5000 worth of real money to start trading with.

So my question is,

are there any good books you know of that will teach me different strategies for trading; such as short selling, hedging and so on

Thanks in advance

 

Nice autobiography. By the time I finished reading it I almost forgot the purpose of your post. Congrats on getting into an Ivy, truly that is awesome. But for the sake of your question, you could probably cut out everything before "So my question is...." Anywho, here are some good trading books. Some will be more relevant to you than others.

Trading in the Zone by Mark Douglas

Options, Futures and Other Derivatives by John Hull

Dynamic Hedging: Managing Vanilla and Exotic Options by Nassim Nicholas Taleb (derivatives)

Managing Financial Risk: A Guide to Derivative Products, Financial Engineering, and Value Maximization by Charles Smithson (derivatives)

The Handbook of Fixed Income Securities by Fabozzi & Fabozzi

Foreign Exchange: A Practical Guide to the FX Markets by Tim Weithers

The Handbook of Commodity Investing by Frank J. Fabozzi, Roland Fuss, and Dieter G. Kaiser

High Probability Trading by Marcel Link

Come Into My Trading Room: A Complete Guide to Trading by Dr. Alexander Elder

Hit and Run Trading: The Short-Term Stock Trader's Bible by Jeff Cooper

Modern Investment Management: An Equilibrium Approach by Bob Litterman and GSAM

Technical Analysis: The Complete Resource for Financial Market Technicians by Charles D. Kirkpatrick and Julie R. Dahlquist

Technical Analysis of the Financial Markets: A Comprehensive Guide to Trading Methods and Applications by John J. Murphy

Japanese Candlestick Charting Techniques by Steve Nison

Bollinger on Bollinger Bands by John A. Bollinger

Fibonacci Analysis by Constance Brown

Elliott Wave Principle: Key to Market Behavior by A. J. Frost and Robert R. Prechter

The Wave Principle of Human Social Behavior and the New Science of Socionomics by Robert Prechter

Contrarian Investment Strategies - The Next Generation by David Dreman

How to Make Money in Stocks: A Winning System in Good Times and Bad by William O'Neil

The Four Pillars of Investing: Lessons for Building a Winning Portfolio by William J. Bernstein

 

im sorry. i only did that bc ive seen so many posters that criticize the op for being lazy and not looking for them selves or people telling them that its really hard to become a trader and some people dont have it,

I just wanted to give some back ground so i didnt get those types of responses.

But thank you for you insightful post!

"Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's not a threat, that's a fact.
 

wtf.... out of all the times I see people posting a period to subscribe to a thread, I get shit on?

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough. "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.
 

I would start reading marketwatch and other markets related journals and blogs first. It will give you a general overview and you'll pick up the context in which trading occurs. Then from there, you'll probably develop some intuition for trading and hopefully the research thereafter will come naturally.

 

Get a WSJ membership. Choose a market and follow it. Try to write down every word you don't understand and then look it up. When you start, you probably do not understand the most of the material in articles. First of all, you need to get knowledgeable. Read, read and read!

 

thank you guys. i will look into all of these!. and it was 9th grade when i sold cd's lol so they were going out of style but ppl bought them so they could put the songs on their ipod

"Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's not a threat, that's a fact.
 

im working through the Hull book right now and heard on the street. also working more on understanding the principles i learned in my math classes so i can use them for what i want. the stuff is kicking my ass. i think if i get all this down and still cant perform in an interview, then i just would have to admit im not cut out for this.

good luck to you

 

best books to start with are 'intelligent investor' (graham), 'random walk down wall street' (malkiel), and imo, 'stocks for the long run' (siegel). discounted cash flow is a broad concept, but it's actually pretty intuitive - any of fabozzi's fixed income math books would be a good source, and then some.

I don't necessarily agree with or endorse everything these books mention, but they form a good base.

 

I like any of the investing books by Peter Lynch and B. Graham. For IB preparation I always recommend Scoop Books Guide to Investment Banking, M&A and Corp. Fin. Other than that I would recommend getting a subscription (student discount) to WSJ or Financial Times. I would next set up an online brokerage account and choose 4-5 stocks (based on companies that you like and understand the business model). You can start a portfolio with as little $1K although its best to start out with a larger sum due to fees and the like. Good luck.

 
ac0708:
thanks connor!

couchy- could you elaborate a little on your first response? i'm a total novice here, don't quite understand what you mean.

Why are you always able to look up the price of a stock? If I wanted to sell my used lamp, it's not like I can look up a used price for my exact lamp online...

Stocks always have prices because of the stock exchange. There are many different structures and that is the first step to becoming a trader because you trade on an exchange!

 

A good start would be The Intelligent Investor. It provides a general foundation of stock investing. Take a look at the books on the most recent WSO poll. Other than that the more you hang around this site the more you will learn.

 

What kind of trading? Prop trading? Algo? Day? Swing? Forex? There are so many things out there, so I'd just start with a basic primer like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Neatest-Little-Guide-Market-Investing/dp/04522986…

From there, you can find other specialty books that focus on the particular areas you want to trade in. Intelligent Investor is a great theory book but I find it a little dry and not very "how-to".

Currently: future neurologist, current psychotherapist Previously: investor relations (top consulting firm), M&A consulting (Big 4), M&A banking (MM)
 

Website: babypips and a couple forums if you like. Best way to learn is to actually trade your own hard earned money and lose it. Pain is what motivates 99% of traders to improve.

Absolute truths don't exist... celebrated opinions do.
 

I would recommend playing with a mock trading account before using your own money. It will give you a chance to play with some stocks and see how it turns out. Give Questrade a try - they have a good trial account platform. Also, with $600, you will have to come up with good consistent returns just to break even on trading fees/commissions.

 

Judging from your experience, make sure you are ok with never seeing the $600 again. Not saying you aren't smart or that you won't be good at it but losing a few is part of learning. Also, as mentioned above it is very hard to actually make anything with such small amount.

You are better off spending it somewhere else or use as a learning experience with high chance of losing. Take care.

Do what you want not what you can!
 

Spend that 600 bucks on other outlets for learning to trade. Buying 1.7 shares of apple isnt going to teach you anything

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford
 

I do agree with al865149 advice. You may first have a practice account before giving up your money, since forex market is really volatile compared to the other financial securities.

 

Thanks. Well how much do you think I should have upfront to be in a good position? $600 does seem a little low but how much should I put it? I'm not trying to put in $10k and risk losing it all, especially since I'm new to this. Well I got the $600 as a gift and It would take some time for me to get 3x's that. Is there another way you guys know of that can help me make some money from the $600? I really don't want to just waste it or spend it on anything and I don't want to just leave it doing nothing. I'm not scared to risk it if there's a possibility to double it.

Learn Programming, Lectures by Professor Mehran Sahami for the Stanford Computer Science Department http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMDCCdjyW8
 

I think the best investment you can make is to use the 600 dollars to self-educate. You will not see a direct monetary return; however, when you do it will pay dividends for life. Please, do not look past this advice. Run a fake-account like some people have suggested; take it seriously and see how you do.

It will seem a bit dated; however, go ahead and look for One Up on Wall Street by Peter Lynch. It will give you a good non-mathematical look at trading. In your free time read around in http://www.investopedia.com/university/stocks/#axzz1W6zhQqJH It will give you a pretty good idea about what stocks are and how markets work. Coming from high school you might not be all too familiar with it all. Reach out to friends of your family and see if anyone can act as a mentor...this greatly helps. The key at this stage should be to learn about the fundamentals of risk, return and valuation. Go ahead and look for the Against the Gods: The Remarkable Story of Risk (I think that's the title)

If you have specific questions, send me a pm.

 

Here's a good trade- invest that $600 in SAT prep classes and college admissions counseling services.

Seriously though- you're not going to be trading large amounts of money, you're not going to be able to trade much else than equities (since most fixed income contracts are in denominations of $1,000+), and you're not going to be trading with high-frequency.

So you should pick the online broker that is the absolute cheapest.

 

I agree with most everyone else that you should use the money to educate yourself more. $600 is incredibly tough to trade b/c your transactions fees would rip you apart. A simple open and close would eat up 2-3% of that amount. You would really need large swings to make any actual profit. Do a fake account or paper trade for awhile just to get an idea of what you P&L would be.

You don't need a certain amount to trade, but at 5k for example, the same transaction costs would be ~40bp instead of 200-300, and you would keep more profit.

"It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed." Theodore Roosevelt
 

Thanks guys and gals. Can someone give me some good mock trading sites I can use to start today? I'd prefer if it doesn't require me to put bank account info/SS#

Learn Programming, Lectures by Professor Mehran Sahami for the Stanford Computer Science Department http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMDCCdjyW8
 

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