Which candidate can kick Trump's A**?

Pick a candidate that if you put next to Trump on a debate stage, will have the ability to give vicious comebacks, stay cool while Trump turns pink-orange, and remain well-rounded with facts.

My picks

  1. Obama.

But realistic for now:

  1. Elizabeth Warren (unfortunately, but she gets pretty hot and she's involved in all the top political battles for some reason)

  2. Joe Biden (potentially, since he's got the balls to run despite his own party tried to Me Too him)

  3. Buttigieg (because he's gay so he has to be sassy, he also speaks a thousand languages, so I assume he's smart)

Bernie is super average. He never engages in head to head matches. He tries to stick to the facts and it gets repetitive.

What's yours?

 
justphresh:
Clinton won at minimum the 1st two debates in the general by a wide margin (3rd was close, call it a wash imo) and it didn't seem to change much. Historically, debates do almost nothing to move polling numbers. Anyone with a law background (Kamala) will almost certainly do great in a debate.

Did she though? Clinton was awful in those debates. And, I don't care about the populist factions. I care about the margins that matter.

At the end of the day, whoever people think will beat Trump in a head to head match is most likely to get the vote on the DNC ticket.

 
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Of the current candidates running, I think Buttigieg has the best shot. Here's why:

  • Biden has too much baggage and won't excite the base
  • Bernie is a terrible debater and if he wins the nom, there's going to be a centrist candidate who will appear (Starbucks CEO? Dimon?) who will eat the middle and result in a Trump victory
  • Warren has too much baggage and will be unable to win over significant interest from the flyover states, she'll be another Dukakis
  • Harris is an unknown commodity, so I can't say much here
  • O'Rourke had his moment in the sun, and I think he'll be out after New Hampshire. I could see him failing up into a cabinet post and then using that to run for governor of Texas or the Senate again
  • Yang is this election's Mike Gravel, interesting and speaking truth to power, but not gaining traction outside of the small minority that loves him
  • Booker is too wonky and has too many skeletons in his closet
  • Hickenlooper is a surprise, I thought he'd be doing better, but I guess his name doesn't have the same recognition
  • Gillibrand - see Hickenlooper
  • Castro - Smart guy, but just not gaining any traction, a shame - he's a solid centrist choice who could still somehow energize the base
  • All others - Who?

Buttigieg has a passionate following and the background to needle Trump in ways that will strike him off balance. Cadet Bonespurs vs an Afghan war veteran? Penn undergrad vs Harvard and Oxford (by way of the Rhodes Scholarship?) Plus Pete's background as a small town Indiana guy could play very well in rural areas. I also think his sexuality could be an asset here. There are lots of voters who would savor the chance to say that they helped elect the first gay president, it's the progressive twist on the identity politics that conservatives excel at.

Pete's good enough, he's smart enough, and doggone it, people like him.

 

Buttigieg is extremely well versed and honestly a pleasure to listen to speak. He is holding back on big policies right now because he is an obvious centrist and is currently just winning people over with his charisma, which isn't a bad thing, this is exactly what Obama did.

I really hope he gains more traction, it would be crazy to see him debate with Trump. Although if that's the case Donald may just hold rally that day to avoid going.

 

It doesn't matter? Look, whatever you feel about his policies, Trump clearly has (and certainly had) no grasp of policy or any ability to "debate". He can insult. And as you can tell from this message board or anywhere else, most of his base is far more concerned with "owning the libtards" than with any meaningful, rational, or realistic policy proposal. So any debate that Trump is in, he will "win" in the eyes of his base. Everyone else already realizes he's likely suffering the early stages of dementia and won't care. As others have said, Clinton was unquestionably more composed and spoke more concisely on actual issues in 2016, and it didn't much matter.

The better question is which of the Democratic candidates will do best against one another. You might actually hear real policy mentioned there.

 

I dream of a Paul Ryan / Nikki Haley ticket to knock off Trump and restore a level of moderatism to politics and diplomacy.

From a democratic perspective, I think Beto O'Rourke still has more star power than anyone else in the DNC field. He's a fantastic comedown after riding the Trump Train for four years. We're still in 2019 and the polls mean little to nothing at this point.

If Trump wins the nomination, the only way I'm voting for him is if there's a socialist on the other side.

 

As much as I hate to say this, I'd rather have a diet socialist like Bernie than someone with pro-cyclical policies like Trump (even if executed inadvertently). The longer we go without a correction, the worse the correction will be. And since we're pushing back on any interest rate raises, we're making sure that our toolbox will be empty when that correction comes.

I believe Trump's fiscal policy is setting us up for one of two outcomes: a lost decade of middling growth like Japan in the 90's or a massive correction similar to 1987.

I love the idea of Ryan (or even Romney, if beltway chatter is to be believed) challenging Trump. We need another Republican who thinks with a finance focus in the lead, not a "party before country" guy like Mitch or a Republic of Gilead cosplayer like Pence.

 

Paul Ryan is an empty suit who will never get back into politics (in terms of being an actual Rep, will likely lobby for the rest of his life) as he accomplished his goal of getting tax cuts for his super wealthy supporters. Nikki Haley hasn't really... done anything? Nor does she have any kind of platform or message to stand on. Paul Ryan is a tea party guy and you're trying to tell me about "moderatism".. the Overton window has shifted that far since 2008 huh?

Beto's campaign is literally dead. Mayor Pete took all of his thunder and Pete is also already starting to show cracks in support and being more of a novelty.

"We're still in 2019 and the polls mean little to nothing at this point" The above quote is just factually wrong. The front-runner this early is usually not the nominee, but the polling is usually pretty spot on, even at this point as a gauge for support especially with Cali primary moving up.

There are no socialists in any capacity running for any office that have any semblance of a chance in the United States of America. To label any of the current politicians that could possibly be President as socialist is disingenuous at best.

 
justphresh:
Paul Ryan is an empty suit who will never get back into politics (in terms of being an actual Rep, will likely lobby for the rest of his life) as he accomplished his goal of getting tax cuts for his super wealthy supporters. Nikki Haley hasn't really... done anything? Nor does she have any kind of platform or message to stand on. Paul Ryan is a tea party guy and you're trying to tell me about "moderatism".. the Overton window has shifted that far since 2008 huh?

He's not the same guy from 2008 -- https://www.isidewith.com/candidates/paul-ryan-2/themes

Nikki Haley is less proven, but solid thus far in her career. I'm trying to create a winning ticket and to me, it would look like Ryan / Haley.

justphresh:
Beto's campaign is literally dead. Mayor Pete took all of his thunder and Pete is also already starting to show cracks in support and being more of a novelty.

By stealing his thunder do you mean share a lot of the same view points? Again, we're still almost a year out. People have short attention spans and won't remember any of this shit when things start to heat up.

justphresh:
"We're still in 2019 and the polls mean little to nothing at this point" The above quote is just factually wrong. The front-runner this early is usually not the nominee, but the polling is usually pretty spot on, even at this point as a gauge for support especially with Cali primary moving up.

Remember when Hillary was the front-runner in 2006 with Gore + Edwards + Obama duking it out?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/27985/where-election-stands-april-2007.aspx

How about 2015 where it was Bush, Rubio, Walker, Cruz and Paul duking it out at this same point and time with not even an afterthought of Trump's legitamacy?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republi…

How high are you?

justphresh:
There are no socialists in any capacity running for any office that have any semblance of a chance in the United States of America. To label any of the current politicians that could possibly be President as socialist is disingenuous at best.

Bernie Sanders has literally branded himself as a socialist running on the democratic platform. Elizabeth Warren says she is not a socialist, but she's toeing the line.

Now how about you go out on a limb and speak on who you think has a chance?

 

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