I was talking to a girl last week and she kept on arguing that I was “exploiting the working class” WTF does that mean? Last year I took a sociology class and the entire class even the professor was just blaming every problem we have on capitalism and you cant even try to argue with them. Is anyone else going through this shit or is it just because I go to a liberal art college (Cornell/Dartmouth).
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Personal rule of thumb – if she's got the simple jack haircut, I think you should just move on
Years (decades?) of propaganda have led us to this point.
Define working class. Are these the high school students who get factory jobs paying them $25 an hour for the rest of their life? Then choose to skip college because they make enough to provide for themselves. They then have a kid and are all the sudden become working class struggling to make ends meet.
It all has to do with time preferences and delayed gratification.
Capitalism is the best. It is like what evolution is to biology in an economic sense. The successful businesses live while the shitty businesses die off(natural selection); all according to society's preferences and tastes at that point in time (environment).
In practice, the most successful businesses are the ones who exploit the most amount of people.
Did she seriously put in her profile "no capitalists" on Tinder, which is valued at several billion dollars and is used almost exclusively on smartphones? These people have absolutely no self-awareness.
Yes, because there are no smartphones in socialism.
Who would invent the iPhone equivalent in a non-capitalist economy?
Employee-owned technology organizations, labor unions comprised of computer engineers, or state-owned technology enterprises etc. there are a lot of ways to organize a non-capitalist economy. Who invented the Internet? GPS? Was the first to space? To the Moon? Answer: Governments, not companies. And before you make the point that only greed/profits drive innovations, 1. Oligpolies/Monoplies (Smartphones, ISPs, Pharma, Automobiles to an extent) 2. Creativity/Empathy drives innovation not profits, scientists make the vast majority of innovations yet are payed next to nothing compared to the people selling their inventions.
Down here on Earth, Apple, the wealthiest company in the history of mankind, created the first modern smartphone. So to update your dating profile to "no capitalists" using your iPhone is the height or self-unawreness.
Apple, is in fact, NOT the wealthiest company in the history of mankind nor the wealthiest company currently, its ~5th depending on the source, usually behind The Dutch East India Company, The Mississippi Company, The Sea Company, and Saudi Aramco. So nice try on that one, messing up an easily lookup-able fact.
But that's not even the important part, your argument still makes zero sense. Are you seriously saying anti-capitalists can't use things created in a capitalist society?? So people can't criticize society if they participate it? A serf cant criticize serfdom when they use their lord's farm land? Enslaved people can't criticize slavery when they eat their slaver's food? My argument was that smartphones DO and CAN exist in socialism, incredibly advanced technology DOES and CAN exist in socialism. Just because that girl is using a "capitalist" invention does not mean she can't criticize capitalism.
Apple has the largest market cap in the world at $2.2T. I guess if you want to be pedantic and adjust for inflation, there are handful of *state-enforced monopolies* that were worth more. The point stands that Apple, the most valuable company in absolute dollars of all time, invented the modern smartphone.
The person isn't criticizing capitalism (and there is plenty to criticize about capitalism and Apple). She's literally saying that capitalists need not apply as she's freely participating in the market economy herself by using the product of the most successful free market company of all time. I bet that she's totally unaware of the contradiction because she's never actually had a thought deeper than a meme, gif, or tweet.
Neither a slave nor a serf is free to choose. In a free society, you are free to not participate. She has freely chosen to participate with capitalists and to enrich investors while she also says those investors need not apply. They can have her money but not her time/body, etc.
1. It would be careless to make the statement "Apple, the wealthiest company in the history of mankind" and rule out all of history + current state-owned monopolies because you feel like it and it is widely agreed upon that it isn't.
2. I don't know where you are getting this idea of Apple inventing the modern smartphone when IBM created the first smartphone 15 years ahead of Apple
3. She is saying she doesn't like capitalists which would obviously imply she doesn't like them because they support capitalism, a system she fundamentally disagrees with. She is an anticapitalist, the argument that an anticapitalist can't buy or use an iPhone because it was created under capitalism is ludicrous.
4. Who says the proletariat are "free to choose." Wage labor is slavery. At a certain point, technology becomes a necessary part of your life. Sure she could never use something made under capitalism but she would likely have a significantly worse life because she lives in a capitalist country. Also your argument is beginning to veer into incredibly sexist territory. Of course she can doesn't have to interact with capitalists on a personal level if she doesn't want to. They don't deserve to have her "body" if she "gives" them her money.
Overall, she is trying to live but wants to limit her impact on indirectly supporting on oppressive economic system. I don't see the problem with that at all.
Yeah, I guess I don't consider it an apples to apples comparison to group companies that had monopolies enforced by the militaries of hyperpower empires in with businesses that operate within a free market. I'm not sure what the point of this "gotcha" is anyway. Does Apple being #3 or #5 behind 18th-century state monopolies make any material difference to the argument at hand or does it just make you feel like you win? Ok, you win. Congrats. The Dutch East India Company beats Apple.
Because the MODERN smartphone was invented by Apple. Android and iOS smartphones operate on the basic principles and UI of the iPhone introduced in 2007, hence why I specifically modify "smartphone" with "modern smartphone."
Of course it's not ludicrous. She lives in a free society. There's no one twisting her arm demanding that she get dates on Tinder, a company worth several billions dollars itself. I still know people today who don't have smartphones. If you think capitalism is so evil that you can't even associate with people who don't fully reject capitalism, then how can you freely enrich the capitalists of major corporations by using their products when you have other options? We went 2-300,000 years without humans needing Tinder or iPhones. I think if she had principles she could meet prospective dates at [insert literally anywhere else].
We live in a free society. This isn't Soviet Russia or East Berlin. There is no wall keeping people in. She is free to move about the world to go to countries that are socialist. Nobody is forcing her to stay here or to use their products or engage in "wage labor slavery." She has total freedom to pursue her utopia in the socialist states of the world; therefore, she's not subject to "wage labor" slavery. Nor is any American because we're free to leave.
if you've ever taken sociology students seriously, the problem is with you bruv. that part of every university has always been populated by weird ideologies. if your microeconomics, accounting, and mathematics profs start spewing that garbage, you've got a problem, but a sociology prof? he/she's probably just angry because well...he/she's a sociology prof.
The problem is these colleges require “gen ed” classes that fall into certain buckets. So say I would have to take a class from bucket A which is either sociology , philosophy 101 or gender studies 101. Maximum brainwashing
I don't see that as a problem. you will encounter opinions with which you disagree all throughout life, you need to be equipped to deal with that. doesn't mean you have to agree, but you have to be able to cope.
edit: I know all schools require this kinda stuff, so I'd recommend philosophy, study greco roman philosophy, and often times religion will sit in the philosophy department, which usually isn't grievance studies.
dont talk politics with girls, heck, dont talk politics with anyone for that matter
you either both agree on some ideology and it will be awkward because there is nothing to argue about
or, you waste 2 hours arguing about it and in the end no one has changed his mind and you now hate each other
same goes with religion
I mean there's a wide spectrum of political beliefs even within the framework of the 2 parties.
Never found someone who I've agreed with to the point it's awkward.
Stupidity and Reality distortion.
over 50% of the people you meet have below average intelligence.
We have been fed from watching TV that everyone will be popular and rich, and recognized for being special. Hard work and being virtuous are not "cool". Being a slut is cool not working hard is cool. Everyone has been rewarded and told they are special and don't understand how legitimately hard it is to become rich. They think it's luck, they have been lied to and said it's "the system" that is keeping them down. Nobody tries anymore.
Non ratione facere placeat. Maiores eius qui ratione consectetur. Deserunt atque fuga earum in repellendus aut.
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