What are your reasons for going into banking?

What are your reasons for going into banking vs. other areas of finance? What's your "formal" reason (e.g., exposure to businesses, good exit ops) and what's your "real" reason (e.g., it pays well)?

It makes sense that if you plan to stay in finance, the exit ops coming out of banking are worth it. However, what about those that leave after two year and do something completely different? The following isn't a completely serious question but still curious about answers - obviously the pay is good, but if a person chooses ib because of the pay, when you're working like 100 hours a week - wouldn't you make more working 2.5 40 hour/week jobs per year total than in banking?

 

Exit opps is more of a real reason than pay in the scope of a two year program. Your analyst compensation is very good, yes, but if you factor in the high cost of living (NY), it doesn't really become a defining factor as opposed to say working for a top tech firm which will have a much higher quality of life. Ultimately, it's about potential which is why exit opps is so important because if you pay your dues early on, you will make the big bucks later on and this is practically guaranteed in such a structured hierarchy. I don't know what to say about doing a 2 year stint and then moving out of finance. To plan that in advance seems kind of pointless, most people who do so really loathed their experience.

In terms of other options in finance, front office positions like banking and S&T will always have much more appeal ("master of the universe", working on big deals that have real impact), prestige, and earning/career potential than middle/back office stints.

Also, the hourly wage argument comes up a lot but you have to realize that other jobs won't let you work that amount of hours so you will never get paid that much all in all. You also can't have more than one full time job, its part of your contract. Plus, this argument only plays against the first couple of years. If you work hard and play your cards right, you'll be making a ton of money in a short amount of time that just isn't possible in other career arcs.

 

Don't say "models & bottles" or any variant of wanting to make a lot of money/get attractive females etc. I covered this in a post on my site the other day.

Good reasons to "say" in an interview include the learning opportunity, chance to see how very high-level C-level execs actually operate (can't get that in any other job at this age), liking the pace/environment with all very smart and driven people, interest in finance, etc.

My "real" reason... ah... I kind of forget it has been so long haha. I did not come from a finance background and I think back when I applied to jobs 2.5 years ago I had become really interested in finance/business and that was a big motivation for me. The pay is obviously good but on a per hour basis, you're right, no better than any other job at this age.

 
dosk17:
Good reasons to "say" in an interview include the learning opportunity, chance to see how very high-level C-level execs actually operate (can't get that in any other job at this age)

How about consulting? Can't you see C-levels in consulting?

 

Although I dont currently work in banking, that is what I am working towards.

1- While in college I had my own business. I worked 70+ extremely stressful hours a week, while going to school. Although my business grew and I did well, I ended up hating the business and the people I had to deal with. But I did recognize a capacity to work absurd hours between work and school. In school, I really enjoyed finance. Even in my business, the aspect of it that I loved most was valuing and brokering the sale of other businesses.

2- I look at it like a 5 yr plan. Get into banking and go through the analyst program, then go to a top b-school. Go back to banking after, work a few more years and see where I want to go from there. If my career in banking is really taking off, obviously stick around. If I really despise it, like I know many end up doing, then I would like to transition into something else, maybe have saved up a little bit of money to start a business.

From what Ive seen/heard, banking is not worth the money. Thats why 23 yr olds that are making 150k are leaving. Thats why 26 yr olds that are making 300k are leaving. The real compensation is the learning experience. You learn as much in 2 yrs, as ppl working regular jobs learn in 6 years. You're just choosing to invest heavily in the beginning of your career as opposed to investing moderately throughout. I want to invest heavily in the beginning, learn a tremendous amount, and hopefully do really well and make it to MD or beyond. If after 5 years I dont feel like thats something I want, I come out with an MBA from a top school, and experience in one of the most competitive careers at some of the most prestigious firms in the world working alongside very ambitious, extremely bright ppl.

 

Well, for me personally, my wife killed herself because she thought this world was a dream. She jumped off a building and left documented evidence implicating me as the killer, even though I totally wasn't. Anyway, now I'm stuck in Paris and I can't return to the states to see my children. Long story short, this Japanese business man that owns an airline said that he could make a phone call and help me get back if I just help him with this one task: complete a two year stint as an Investment Banking Analyst.

So, yeah, pretty much just been doing that...

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Nouveau Richie:
Well, for me personally, my wife killed herself because she thought this world was a dream. She jumped off a building and left documented evidence implicating me as the killer, even though I totally wasn't. Anyway, now I'm stuck in Paris and I can't return to the states to see my children. Long story short, this Japanese business man that owns an airline said that he could make a phone call and help me get back if I just help him with this one task: complete a two year stint as an Investment Banking Analyst.

So, yeah, pretty much just been doing that...

So I guess the real question is: after your stint is over, does the top keep spinning?

-MBP
 
bIastoise:
for me, it's because i love the idea of helping the world's most important and innovative corporations with their most complex problems, which will enable them to reach their full potential and impact the world in an even more positive way, benefiting the economy as a whole. whether i'm working on a gamechanging IPO or a multibillion dollar merger, knowing that my work can influence the world markets in such an impactful way seems very fulfilling

Haha as they say its all about the benjamins. You should join some the christian missionaries sounds like it would suit your tastes. Your not going to be doing "gods" work or be doing some noble deed. Get real you want to make money and are worried about exit opportunities

 

Access to money and power [and by extension.....women]. The work is cool, but I wish I had been a doctor. Then again, I wish for world peace, but that shit's never happening, so fuck it, I'm partying it up.

Kiss my ass.

lifesgreatmystery:
in real life boutiquebank4life would get his ass kicked hopefully by back office guys
was just thinking the same thing

BLasoise = blastoise ???? .....or is it an evil twin? inquiring minds want to know

Get busy living
 
bIastoise:
for me, it's because i love the idea of helping the world's most important and innovative corporations with their most complex problems, which will enable them to reach their full potential and impact the world in an even more positive way, benefiting the economy as a whole. whether i'm working on a gamechanging IPO or a multibillion dollar merger, knowing that my work can influence the world markets in such an impactful way seems very fulfilling
I feel like he pulled this off some poor kids cover letter.
 

imposter bIastoise is actually pretty funny.

but in all honesty (and at the risk of coming of as a tool)... earn credibility as a businessman and MAYBE pick up some relevant and transferable skills/knowledge for a business career while i'm still young.

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?
 

^^^ movie adaptation has been in the works for years, though it's never happened. btw, xenocide and children of the mind were also quite good. i stopped there.

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?
 
ChairmanMao:
basically just pillage and plunder
NICE

Some days, I imagine myself a pirate hoisting a pirate flag on the way to work, but they were too civilized. Vikings were more bad ass. Actually, this is a good idea for another post

Get busy living
 

Develop a strong corp fin background (learned a lot in school - but want to know how it is really done) Want to work on deals that make an impact (talk about some of the successful deals the company worked on, but caveat that you never know when/if a pitch would turn into a live deal) Want to be focused on clients.

You want to show that you've done your research about the firm, and are really interested in the firm. don't be too general, as you'll get follow-up questions as "why not consulting, why not corporate development"?

 

Exit ops. I think trading is definitely more stimulating than banking, but banking really opens up a lot more doors in terms of PE, Corp Dev, or really anything else you'd ever want to do.

  • Capt K
- Capt K - "Prestige is like a powerful magnet that warps even your beliefs about what you enjoy. If you want to make ambitious people waste their time on errands, bait the hook with prestige." - Paul Graham
 

In banking you actually work on deals that impact how companies operate. I find it a lot more interesting to work on longer-term projects than following the unpredictable stock market on a day to day basis. Although as an Analyst you'll just be doing excel and powerpoint work, I find the area more interesting.

Also as captk said, banking gives you more exit opps.

 
Cornelius:
cause i'm a fucking idiot

A major factor in my decision as well.

  • Capt K
- Capt K - "Prestige is like a powerful magnet that warps even your beliefs about what you enjoy. If you want to make ambitious people waste their time on errands, bait the hook with prestige." - Paul Graham
 

palm to face.

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Well, I will not start my training at a BB for a FT Associate position for a few months, but I can give you my two cents on what led me to banking and maybe let others weigh in on it.

I entered business school after spending my formative years flying jets for the usn. My major motivation for getting an MBA was not just to make myself more marketable, but also to find out what I wanted to do with my life. One day one of B-School I had no clue what I wanted to do. Over the course of my initial accounting and finance courses I found out that I really liked the subjects and then started looking into specific finance career paths. F500 corporate finance seemed boring, dull, and repetitive....something that I knew I did not want after my time in the military. S&T seemed somewhat attractive but I really liked the transactional, client-focused aspect of IB. I enjoyed building financial models and analyzing financial statements, specifically the problem-solving aspect of those tasks. I also knew I needed a high-energy, fast-paced environment and I especially was aware of the fact that I wanted to work with a group of highly-intelligent, ambitious, and talented people from all walks of life (That was not the case of my peer group in the military....quite the opposite).

How much did money play into the equation for me? Honestly, I would not take an 80-100 hour a week job if I was not going to both enjoy the work (somewhat) and be well compensated, no matter what the industry. I have a feeling that if you do something you enjoy (relatively) and excel at, financial renumeration will follow. Obviously, there are exceptions to this. No matter how great an artist you are and even if you went to the best art school in the country, you probably have no chance of having a summer home in the Hamptons. What I am getting at is if you enjoy marketing or operations more than finance and accounting, you should take a serious look at those career paths as well.

If you think you would hang yourself if your job entailed hours upon hours of building excel models and reading SEC filings I would say that banking might not be your cup of tea. My advice would be to get that IB summer internship and see what you think.

 
swagoff:
I also see people on here that talk about "walk away numbers" and getting out of finance after making money. I'm guessing those people don't last very long?
I like what I do but when I have enough I'm out. Every 5 years or so I like to change things up. Some people want to do the same job until they retire...good for them...but I'm not one of those people. That's just who I am.
Get busy living
 

I would never want to pursue philosophy or literature, who the hell told you that? I don't think most people want that, I think people find finance interesting (economics, capital markets, etc.), and deal-making is exhilarating, plus since the money's good, people go into the career.

I think that no matter what the career, everybody wants financial independence. with limited exceptions, I think the American dream is to make it on your own, not to live off of parents or social programs (could be wrong with that last part), so financial independence isn't a unique goal to WSO. financial independence also doesn't have to be subsequent to your career, it can be concurrent.

 

I go for banking cause my teacher mentioned it one day back in high school. She said kids these people are insane they work 80 hours a week and make over 100k their first year damn why am I a teacher ;) I knew I will go into finance but after that day I knew I want to be an investment banker :) wohoo

 

i think you won't know for sure until you actually start work.

but being very competitive is a key ingredient to becoming a good banker. at the bank you'll be in a similar situation where everybody is trying be the best/do the best.

if you're a guy who can deal with tons of hard work, you're going to be fine. if you can't deal with the workload, or burn out, well...you'll find out soon enough!

 

Because they don't want to die as a nobody and are delusional enough to think that banking will instantly change that.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."
 

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