Why do banks have diversity programs?
I've never actually understood this - why do banks have diversity programs? Is it mostly for PR purposes, or is there some benefit from having a more diverse workforce?
I've never actually understood this - why do banks have diversity programs? Is it mostly for PR purposes, or is there some benefit from having a more diverse workforce?
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Long story short - Yes, there is heavy research out there that suggests that diverse workforces lead to better culture and stronger results.
Also - diversity programs can help less privileged individuals break into highly selective industries. Some state this is an unfair advantage, because it's survival of the fittest, right? Another unfair advantage is being born into a $10mm+ net worth household provided with all the necessary tools to succeed.
I had the pleasure of hearing a young african american's story about being born into a homeless family without a father and eventually earning a full-ride scholarship. Yes, I understand diversity is inclusive of gender and other items, but stories like this completely changed my perception of why diversity programs exist.
90% of diversity at banks are
I for one, would appreciate diversity programs that allow poor, first-gen, white students to also be included
After going through one of those diversity recruitments timelines, I’m a first gen college student from a 60k income household, yeah my diversity events was lots of affluent minorities (I.e elite private high school > Ivy / Top Public) . Glad they get the opportunity, because regardless being a minority does come with hardships. However, I think in someway if socioeconomic diversity could be placed into recruitment. Perhaps a “first generation college student” event?
Sorry, I don't get your point. Over 90% of front office bank positions are white individuals. It's an undeniable fact that IB workforces lack diversity.
You just said yourself a portion of these diversity programs include hispanic kids who are basically white, which means black and other minorities still struggle to get in the door whether they come from money or not.
Literally no one stated that less-privileged white students shouldn't have similar opportunities. However, diversity programs certainly aid underrepresented ethnicities.
I can attest, number 1 is very accurate.
Yes what the actual fuck is with this "hispanic white kid" diversity - it's straight up ridiculous.
Heavy research from who? McKinsey?
Those reports only look at correlation between diversity in management and profitability. It's just another which came first; the chicks or the profitability-eggs. It's not hard to imagine that a company that is struggling and experiencing losses are not focusing on diversity programs and quotas, whereas a company that is very profitable and successful will have more of these initiatives in place.
And if you actually read the reports, besides the bullet points that are summarized in Bloomberg, you can see that many of their headline-findings have p-values >0.05, meaning that if any journalist could read stats they would know that it's not statistically significant.
You know there are minorities who are rich right ?
because of LIBTARD SOYBOY CUCKS
Can confirm this is true
Well I wouldn't say there's always a benefit to having a diverse workforce. Studies do show that it can lead to higher conflict rates within the office although the different perspectives are also shown to scientifically help. It's a tradeoff.
However, diversity is NOT simply the color of one's skin or gender. I know plenty of white people who are all different and diverse. Tldr you can't really obtain diversity by such programs and it ends up being reverse segregation imo.
Exactly
Diversity of thought leads to analyzing problems from more perspectives. Over time this should lead to significantly more good decisions. Making more good decisions compounds on itself and leads to better business results.
EDIT: Apparently I triggered some idiots.
I asked my black friends a question similar to this a couple weeks ago after a lot of my black friends told me that they hate these programs. The text below is their pov to show you that not every URM is in favour of the program.
They believe it is disrespectful to be be hired on the basis of the colour of your skin instead of the other factors such as first gen, socioeconomic status etc. They think that In theory it promotes "diversity" but take a step back and think deeper as to how this program is set up :
Banks promote this as a program that WANT only Black, latino etc ( sounds like doing it for the sake instead of actually attempting to reach out to those communities and make a connection.)
Banks fill quotas to show that they are modern and up to date on the new demographics of society. Improving the PR after the 2008 financial crisis is nothing new and still continues ( banks changing their IG Profile pic to their logo with the gay flag colors in June)
Banks have benefited from this because of the diverse perspectives but due to the basis of hiring it has created a negative view on black, latino co workers who are hired from the program instead of what really matters which is intelligence, work ethic etc. Majority of MDs are white and the glass ceiling can be very intimidating.
TDLR ; The black people i interact with on a daily basis and have fun with have a perspective that is similar to most people on this website. These programs are good when used to help a truly disadvantaged student and continues to benefit the workplace but the structure of the program is not the best way to do it. One of my friends said " Malcolm X said that blacks shouldn't be treated as second class citizens however as we head into 2020 these programs have only encouraged that feeling of superiority of the white male and decreased the reputation of the black male to a point that they believe that the only shot of making it to wall street is on the notion of being black instead of being intelligent, driven, respectable, polished. I don't even feel equal to others nor can I fake that I am."
That TLDR is almost as long as your main body points. Nice.
nice, instead of answering the question you need to critically analyze a paragraph length. Ignorant hijo de puta
It might be rich blacks who are getting into these programs. But understanding how insulated cultures are from each other in this country, it definitely makes it worthwhile to have more blacks, even if not poor ones, in those positions.
The white Hispanics and immigrants who are rich in their home country, I don't understand why they're in these programs over poor whites/poor Americans.
mainly its used to fill out the companies brochure.
Diversity, (I hate to say it), resembles more a fad than what CEOs actually want. There aren't many CEOs who would explain anyway diversity if only hiring one race of people boosted the bottom line.
The diversity initiatives compound now, getting into undergrad, internships, jobs, grad school, post grad school jobs...
If you see a white male at Kirkland & Ellis or have a white male surgeon, that guy is probably a savant.
This is an incredibly underrated comment - It's basically a compound effect for HS/undergrad/first-job/MBA.
I think somewhere this is all going to crack - the PC gods have decided what fits as "diversity" and what doesn't which IMO isn't any different versus original racism.
Shut it down, the goyim know!
Truth is companies do it for PR purposes, and PR purposes alone. It's the same reason why all their logos get rainbow color schemes in June. No real value add, a person is a person no matter their skin, but if it makes people hate banks less then they're all for it.
I have noticed that a lot of these "diversity summer programs" are BS internships where the interns don't do much real work at all. And then the company never hires them after because they blacks and Latinos make only a small portion of finance students. So chances are only 15% of them deserve to work there after considering the rest of the competition.
Always have a question for these programs. You obviously can't fake your ethinicity, but if you just self identify as LGBTQ even though you are not, the banks would never be able to find out.
The fact that you have to ask is why they exist.
Its for PR purposes, particularly for brainwashed clients who read the bullshit research supporting diversity and call up the bank pushing for more diversity. Many clients even have diversity requirements in their bank diligence.
The so-called "research" claiming diversity yields better results is bullshit. You should always be skeptical of research as it is usually agenda-driven. Some company will want more publicity for their diversity hiring and will call up like, BCG or someone, and say "hey do a study on diversity driving performance." BCG will happily do this for free as its a great way to cozy up to clients. BCG then picks the 20 clients with the most heavy diversity programs, and digs through metrics until they find a metric where their 20 clients beat the average. The 20 diversity clients are sure to beat the average on at least one metric out of so many possible metrics, so they'll find that metric and bam, we've got a study showing that diverse companies have more revenue, profit, growth or whatever.
You can make a study say anything, and results should only be respected if there is strong intuition supporting the causal relationship. If someone wants to provide strong intuition behind diversity improving company performance, I'm all ears.
But it needs to be strong . . I've heard all the weak answers already ("different perspectives lead to more innovative decisions!" . . give me a break . . banks aren't turning their meetings into creatively disruptive thought orgies because they brought some URM students into the analyst class for a few years).
Always have a question for these programs. You obviously can't fake your ethinicity, but if you just self identify as LGBTQ even though you are not, the banks would never be able to find out.
They can't find out for sure, but the interview process is subjective so if you look and act like an everyday bro and you are supposed to be LGBTQ, that might be a negative for you that makes your odds worse than if you had just applied as an everyday bro.
Now all of a sudden data shouldn’t be trusted unless you have an intuition that it is correct. What are different words for bias?
No I didn't say data shouldn't be trusted, I said results of a study shouldn't be trusted (results = cause and effect relationship) unless they are backed by logic. That is just called being smart. Has nothing to do with bias.
Don't be one of those suckers who falls prey to illogical claims made by people bearing data.
Actually maybe it's too late, because I walked through an example of exactly how it happens, and you still didn't get it.
I'm an Asian male who got accepted to a diversity freshman program once which more or less led to my sophomore internship. I didn't know the freshman thing was diversity at the time. The only people not allowed to be considered were non LGBT white men. I always felt shitty about it afterward, but I'm still grateful to have had that opportunity. It just felt like pandering though when I found out.
BB Sophomore Internship?
Yeah. The internship itself wasnt diversity, but the freshman pipeline was.
Asians get accepted into diversity programs? Now that's a first.
Yeah the bank specifically said Asians could apply to it. I had done some networking there too so it worked out.
lucky
This country doesn’t work anymore because people don’t understand the way capitalism works anymore and constantly confuse “freedom” with moral decay and self erosion.
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