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optimus_prime:
Michael Eisner:
Gains from wholesale banking (corporate banking, investment banking) & buyside trading can help reduce reliance on depositor financing.... though these days that's not as realistic.

Do you even understand how a bank works? What do you think funds wholesale banking and buyside trading activities?

There are functions in wholesale banking, such as pure M&A advisory, fairness opinions, etc. that generate fees without leveraging the balance sheet. In addition, gains from trading on a bank's own book are re-invested, allowing their total invested assets to grow without the need for additional depositor financing.

I never said that these activities can come close to replacing depositors, and I know that depositors are needed for most bank functions to exist. But not all. Please do your homework.

 
D-Man:
What alternatives are there to commercial banks needing depositors to operate their business?

Mother of god...

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Bro. Bro. Bro. Brush up on your Mishkin. http://www.amazon.com/Economics-Banking-Financial-Markets-Update/dp/032…

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You're talking about investment banking activities then -- not commercial banks. Obviously advisory activities don't need depositors (e.g. GS, MS, any boutique)...but the question clearly wasn't about that. Moreover you added "buyside trading" and "corporate banking", both of which do heavily leverage the balance sheet.

Also, I spent two years in FIG banking so please don't tell me to do my homework. The simple answer is "fractional reserve banking"; I don't get why everyone on this site likes to show how smart they think they are and complicate things with special cases unrelated to the question.

 

They applied for commercial bank status, yes, though only to access the discount window -- they each have less than $50bn in deposits (I believe). JPM funds itself with a trillion dollars of deposits. Really not sure what point you're trying to make here. You might as well say that window washing businesses also reduce reliance on deposits....the question was: "Why do banks need deposits", not "What banking activities don't need deposits." Sure, we can make up all sorts of businesses that don't need depositor financing. The only financing alternatives were mentioned higher up -- fed borrowing, wholesale funding, repo, etc...

 

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