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Why do people hate President Trump?

I don't see the issue with deporting Illegal Aliens or excluding groups of people from countries that are known for producing terrorists. I don't see the issue with dismantling the H1B program and putting Americans at work. Not importing people from India and China, pay them for cheap labor and ship them back when their Visa expires. I don't see the issue with verbally degrading (CENSORED BY WSO) countries which chop a kids arm for stealing candy or stoning a man in public.

Can someone please explain why they hate President Trump when his goal is to help American citizens? Ones who pay taxes for this country, are law abiding citizens and are proud for what this country stands for?

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Jul 21, 2017

Libtard Marxism

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Jul 21, 2017

The weak always hate the strong.

Jul 21, 2017

Sounds about right

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Dec 9, 2017

No, we just hate stupid people and the government is filled with them.

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Jul 21, 2017

Really.....?? Like "Middle Eastern countries which chop a kids arm for stealing candy or stoning a man in public." it's all that u see....lol,,,,God bless America and no where else-explain everything

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Jul 21, 2017

Ok maybe that part was offensive, I will edit it.

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Jul 22, 2017

He doesn't actually give a shit about those things. He used populism to get low IQ people to vote for him. He became president for his own ego and to profit enormously off of the office.

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Jul 22, 2017

Always insult low IQ people unless they vote Dem.

Reality is globalism has pros and cons and the middle class of this country has been gutted.

I can't wait for the candidate who runs in another decade. Angry people will support a whole host of things we would find shocking.

Most of the "high IQ" peoplenive met are a buck fifty, soaking wet. Cry about intelligence when some jacked dummy is dragging you out of your house.

Jul 22, 2017

I love it when some moron writes some type of "Traits Intelligent People Have" blog and he writes the most generic stuff in there that literally applies to everyone and these "highly intelligent individuals" that you mentioned start boasting on Facebook and LinkedIn about their newly discovered intelligence. If you really have to point out to people that you are intelligent and no one has noticed it so far on their own, you really gotta rethink things through

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Jul 28, 2017

Once I read one of those intelligent people traits lists and it said smart people have a lot of self-discipline and restrain from engaging in behaviors that damage their health. Later, in the same list, they said smart people tend to abuse drugs. It made me reflect about stupidity and incoherence for a minute.

"I'm into, uh, well, murders and executions, mostly."

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Jul 28, 2017

Lmao yup that's how those lists work. It's the same with horoscopes and anything similar to that as well. I guarantee you that if you read the description of any random sign without knowing whether it is your sign or some other one you will find traits that you can connect with

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Jul 28, 2017

Yes, every time someone I overhear someone describing their signs I always associate them with a bunch of people I know. How would there be only 12 types of people in the world when there are so many variables related to experience?

"I'm into, uh, well, murders and executions, mostly."

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Dec 9, 2017

Yeah, you're right, because I found out recently that there was actually a 13th sign that was taken out thousands of years ago, by the Sumerians I think, because it didn't fit in with the 12 month calendar. That means I am really a Leo and not a Virgo. Then one day I decided to read the horoscope for Virgo, Leo and a couple of others; and you're right they could all fit.

Jul 22, 2017

@TNA ok let's be real you're not in the middle class I doubt you give a shit about us

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Jul 28, 2017

Dems be like: Anyone who voted for Trump is low IQ

Also Dems: We need to import millions of refugees from countries that have average IQs around 70 so they will vote for us!

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Jul 22, 2017

I don't agree with his views on trade at all, imposing tariffs on imports from Mexico will just do further damage to the economy. Although I do support tax cuts for whichever reason possible and whenever possible, it does not seem as if he plans to cut spending just as much, so that will be a problem. If there has been some development in his spending cuts that I didn't read, please feel free to correct me. I also do not support his, nor any other politician's view on drugs. All drugs should be legal, its your choice, if you would like to mess up your life with crack or whatever, you should have the freedom to do so

I do support his views on deregulation, the government should do as little as possible in the economy and I think he has been doing a good job so far in that aspect. I already said that I support his tax cuts - provided that he takes adequate spending cuts as well. He also seems to have a sincere interest in helping veterans and I support that as well

As far as his personality goes, he's simply a troll and he knows that he's fucking with you and the more you fall for it, the more he will do it. However he has acted very professionally when he went abroad on diplomatic missions, regardless if it was in the Middle East or in Europe

Jul 22, 2017

Selective tariffs work. I simply believe it is the duty of the American president to do what he can to help the middle class. We need a manufacturing base. Outsourcing has boosted profits, shareholder value and CEO pay. It hasn't helped those laid off.

The elitism and classism that people pull sounds nice and funny until people realize that might makes right. And a bunch of angry, well armed people aren't going to be dissuaded by a bunch of thin, vegan liberal scoffing at them.

I'd happily pay more for goods and services to see Americans working. This of course is what liberals say only when it's helping some organic, gluten free kale producer. God forbid they cared about hard working Americans.

Jul 22, 2017

I fully understand where you are coming from with that argument however I believe that this will hurt American workers in the long term and won't make them as competitive on the global scale

If certain additional changes are made, the American worker could become more productive, despite Asian countries still having a cost advantage. Here is what I think would be a better way to bring jobs to America without imposing any tariffs

1) Deregulate the economy to the bare minimum. This will keep costs down and allow companies to compete with each other and thus offer a better product to the consumer. Companies themselves will figure out cheaper ways to produce goods and overall offer new, improved goods to the consumer, which will be better than goods from Europe which would increase demand for even more workers to respond to the demand
2) Set the corporate tax rate to zero, have a flat tax rate on all income of 15% (even lower if possible). There is no such thing as a corporate tax rate anyways, the building in which the corporation is in does not pay taxes, nor do the legal papers that state that it's a corporation. At the end of the day, people pay corporate income tax. A lower tax rate will lead to more tax revenues (which was the case in Cowperthwaite's HK) and have people invest even more. There is often an argument that cutting costs is "trickle down economics", but look at it this way - when a greedy billionaire decides to open a new factory for his business, who gets paid first? The workers who built the factory, the architect who designed it, the sales department that is selling his product and only after the factory turns a profit (which may be even years) does the greedy billionaire gets to see any return from it
3) Introduce school vouchers to improve the school system and privatize the school system in the long run. Public high schools are complete shit in every country, however school vouchers will entice competition among schools and even high school students will be coming into the labor market with more skill, since the free market will provide what they are looking for and as a result workers will be more effective and companies won't have to spend as much on training. The man behind the public schooling system in America was Horace Mann, although surely he had the best interests in mind at the time, the road to hell is paved with good intentions and public high schools have failed in every country in the world
4) Set the minimum wage to $0. There is often an argument that states that the minimum wage should be at least 1$. Although I highly doubt that even in practice anyone is making less than $1 in America, the principle of this is the issue. As soon as the government starts meddling with one aspect of the economy, they will begin messing around with another part of the economy and before you know the minimum wage will be $15 and Americans will be jobless
Also, suppose that you are looking for a job and currently have no skill but you are willing to learn. You'd ask the employer to work but for a very low wage, if not for free, until you learn the needed skills. However, with a minimum wage, which is intended to help those poor unskilled workers, you are effectively denying them the right to learn and to get out of the misery in which they had the misfortune to be born in

Now lastly, you should have the right to purchase whatever you want from whoever you want. If you prefer American goods then you should have the freedom to purchase American goods. However, just because you prefer American goods does not mean that you have to force everyone else to buy American made products as well. I have two pairs of Made in America New Balances and the quality is wonderful on them, I've worn them for God knows how lon and they are still in perfect shape. However, maybe some individual would rather buy a shoe produced in China for $10, I have no right to ban him from doing so, I might tell him that the American shoe is of better quality, but at the end of the day he should have the freedom to choose. Again, I fully understand your arguments, however I don't think any tariff would be good for the American worker in the long run

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Dec 9, 2017

American goods are no better than the Chinese goods. I would rather pick garbage and find something made in American 60 years ago (fans, lamps and almost anything) because I have more confidence in that working than this new garbage we produce. Consumer slavery is what it's called! Also Americans are greedy consumers. Especially when it comes to their cars. The Europeans all drive small cars; while here everyone tries to get the biggest possible and families here have several cars. How greedy!

Jul 22, 2017

We need to retrain people whose skills are no longer valued highly enough in this country.
Used to mine coal? Sucks. Now get training to install solar panels.
Used to make air conditioning units? Sucks. Now get training to work in digital media.

Plus.....with Trump's plan to boot out all the illegal immigrants out of the country, maybe the white middle class with a shrinking rate labor participation rate, nothing to do, and an incredibly high opioid abuse rate can start to pick strawberries and clean people's houses! But no..these people would rather vote Trump and then not take those open jobs, crashing our agricultural production (if immigrants are truly deported) because the white middle class are "above those jobs." Plus, they can depend on government handouts (funded by blue states) to survive! Trump is a scapegoat and you fell for it, TNA.

You really want the government to disrupt the invisible hand with tariffs and trade protectionism? What about free market capitalism? And why in the world would you want to pay more for something made in America? You sound like a socialist.

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Jul 22, 2017

LOL, this is the folly of people who put too much emphasis on education and not enough emphasis on reality. This idea that you can simply shift people from jobs in an efficient manner to jobs that require significantly more and differing skills is a joke. It will take years to transition, and most of these people don't have the resources to successfully make that transition when they are living paycheck to paycheck.

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Dec 9, 2017

I wouldn't even call what I received an education. It was more like brain washing to me. They are still telling the same lies in school now; that they've been telling us. The teachers don't even know they are lying. Now they are too busy scaring your children in kindergarden. Telling them about HIV and sex predators? Why don't you teachers do your jobs and watch these kids instead of filling their heads with fear? Thank god I didn't have children because I wouldn't have tolerated any of it and probably would have been arrested!

Jul 23, 2017

I agree with the tariffs being a risky bet. I like the idea of reactionary trade measures, not to balance trade, but to counteract a 'cheating' country. Free trade, which was a right wing ideal, has magically become the left wings darling - which has caused me to vote on one issue that I do not agree with a side on at all.

Jul 23, 2017

I understand your argument, but why punish cheating countries? They are essentially fucking themselves over. If China decides to subsidize production of a certain good and sells it to the US for cheaper, even better for Americans! They can buy more of that good at a cheaper price and the dollars sent to the Chinese will make their way back to the US, hopefully not via a loan to the government, but rather an FDI, which is a win-win. You get investments in your country and also get goods for cheaper. Did you know that Hong Kong didn't even track statistics on trade? They said that whenever politicians have any kind of numbers to use for their political means they will do it and thus banned any statistics to be collected by the government. And look at where Hong Kong is today. Murray Rothbard, an Austrian economist, also argued that when you send money out of the country, you get a good back worth the amount of money you sent abroad, so essentially did you lose any money? If you paid for an overvalued good maybe, but with the Chinese subsidizing their production you get goods for cheaper, and your money will make its way back to the US one way or the other. Trade deficits sound bad just because of the word "deficit"

Also, yes free trade was a right wing deal, but the left has picked it up via trade deals. Which isn't free trade but more like complicated trade. My professor at school used to represent his home country at the WTO and used to negotiate trade deals with countries to "liberalize" trade. He said that half of the time this liberalization of trade was 1000+ page documents that didn't even entirely liberalize trade, but set all sorts of ridiculous tariffs and quotas and other restrictions lol

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Jul 22, 2017

First it is politics as usual, plenty of people hated obama. Second, it is all being thrusted by the media and unless you go to right wing news sources it will be biased with a liberal slant. Third, Russia, they 'hacked the election' and 'Trump is Putins puppet.' Remember, 'hacked the election' was the wikieleaks saga. Apparently, everyone knew that Hillary was going to win and that there was zero possibility of Trump winning, so the election was therefore hacked after the emails were leaked (with Obama's NSA and FBI watching). If he did collude with anyone to have the DNC hacked then that is pretty fucked, very willing to call a spade a spade on that. However, investigation is on going so no one officially knows what took place, yet.

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Jul 29, 2017

the funny thing is Democrats made fun of Romney when he said Russia was our biggest threat, even Obama said it was 100% impossible to hack the election, then said that the election was hacked...

if the Democrats didn't want to impose sanctions and be so tough on the soviet union, Russia would be significantly weaker right now haha

they made the mess over partisanship and love of socialism now blame Trump for all of it, even before he was involved in politics lol

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Dec 9, 2017

Who are you kidding? Trump was probably in on that with Putin. I wouldn't trust anyone one of them! They play with lives like it's some kind of game. I don't like them and I don't wanna know them!

Jul 23, 2017

I honestly think a lot of the US population doesn't actually understand why they hate Trump. It's almost like the left has half of the country brainswashed into thinking that anyone that doesn't support their cause is wrong and a terrible person. Modern Facism at its finest. And you know what, this time around, everyone said fuck you to the left. That's why Trump is in office.

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Jul 23, 2017

Dudes rich, tells people to fuck off and had a hot wife. He's the biggest asshole on the planet. I know full well why a large portion of society hates him.

Cause they be thirsty.

Jul 23, 2017
TNA:

had a hot wife.

Melania is still pretty hot...

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Jul 23, 2017

Although if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her!

Sep 7, 2017
Taylor Swift:

Although if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her!

If Ivanka was my daughter I would still be bathing her.

'I'm jacked... JACKED TO THE TITS!!'

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Jul 28, 2017

Are you kidding me? It has nothing to do with politics, the guy is a horrible, egomaniacal POS. How can you look / read about things like the boy scouts speech and not think the guy is an insecure lunatic? Also, his very obvious attempt to cover up whatever it is with Russia by constantly undermining his own selected AG, firing / threatening to fire anyone who disagrees with him and his just general sleeziness with appointing his family to informal posts through his administration and people like the mooch. The guys definitely thinks he is way bigger than his office and he doesn't give a shit about the presidency. Then his stupid thing this week or last week about Trans people in the military. Literally, no one gave a sht about this but he had to piss people off just to distract people from the dumpster fire that is his presidency.

Generally I think people trump more for the type of offensive person he is rather than his policy decisions as frankly he doesn't have much substance in terms of policy. The entire world thinks Trump is a joke and by extension he is sullying the reputation of the country but hubris would seem to dictate that no one in America seems to care.

There's absolutely no way Trump wins that election against anyone but Hillary who was probably the least likable major party candidate in some time. She makes Romney seem gregarious and down to earth.

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Jul 28, 2017

So you're saying the world hates him because what he thinks and does is politically incorrect? I'd say that's 100% percent correct. But you know what, fuck being politically correct. At least Trump says what he wants and does what he wants. That's how you live life dude. Instead of preaching this fantasy of social indebtness why don't you just do what you want and say you want regardless of what people think. I promise you, you'll feel more liberated than you ever have. That's why I like Trump, he's defying everything the Facist Leftists have preached to and forced upon the citizens of this country.

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Jul 28, 2017

It's not about PCness. It's about a basic human understanding. I didn't like how we was whipping the boyscouts into his culture like that. I cringed through the entire ~10 mins of it that I watched. What about inspiring them to do bigger things and improve on Trump? What about the scouts achieving their own dreams? Who goes in front of a crowd of mostly kids to preach your own doctrine and your own perspective? That was the biggest load of shit I've ever seen. And this is Trump since day one. He's America's failed leader. Look at how Scaramucci made that big fuss and then got Reince Preibus fired. That little show was inspired and directed right at Trump. That's the environment he creates between all of those guys, Kushner, Bannon. It's just sick.

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Jul 28, 2017

hey man at least he gave a boy scouts speech! Obama was busy on the fucking view "The View" yes with those retard flat earthers and whoope goldberg and that's so raven -- that view!

but yeah you are right everyone thinks exactly the same as you do on all that other stuff, having a different view will hopefully be hatespeech soon lol!

Dec 9, 2017

Oh, I understand why I hate him and all of them since George Washington. He is an immoral, lying piece of human trash! I wish the same for all of them. Who are these people? Who do they think they are that I need them? A dog would be a better president and if a dog were president; the National Debt would disappear because everyone from around the world would want to come here just to see him or her!

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Dec 9, 2017

Are you kidding me? Hillary was no better and Sanders was a traitor for dropping out. They are all scum! In my opinion the only two people I can name in our history that were decent was Abraham Lincoln and Benjamin Franklin. Other than that they were all no good!

Jul 23, 2017

For a lot of people that are moderates, it isn't so much his actual policies, it's more his general lack of critical thinking skills. It was assumed that he would surround himself with the best/smartest advisors, but this has turned out to not be true in the majority of cases.

In general, I just want the President to be someone that has integrity and can make logical decisions, even if I disagree with the policies themselves.

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Jul 23, 2017

Tillerson for state. Cohen and Munchin (I can't spell his name). Bannon, love or hate him, is educated and skilled. Trump nominated a great SCOTUS pick. Mattie is a great sec defense. Sessions is a great AG.

Most of his people are really good. Who are the idiots he surrounds himself with.

And yeah, Trump isn't eloquent. But who cares. How many "liberal elites" on the coasts who loath Trump for being an idiot probably couldn't assemble A piece of IKEA furniture.

Jul 23, 2017

Sure, you listed some good ones. On the other hand there are some choices in his cabinet like DeVos and Perry. Don't get me wrong, Perry seems like a cool dude, I would love to grab a beer with him, but he is absolutely not qualified to be the Secretary of Energy. Call me elitist if you want, but I prefer that position to be held by a brilliant scientist.

Outside of his cabinet he often makes head-scratching choices. For example, given how much money he has he can afford to hire the absolute best lawyers in the nation, but then he settles for someone like Jay Sekulow. How does this make any sense?

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Jul 23, 2017

Perry isn't a genius, but I doubt he's a complete fool. And what does the sec energy really do?

DeVos has spent a life fighting for school choice in Michigan. I'm fine with her.

And once again, what does the sec of education really do?

Trump values loyalty. And this Russia shit is worthless. I'm so tired of Russia always being the enemy. They aren't invading the US. They aren't spreading communism. It's tiresome and scapegoating.

Jul 28, 2017

He values loyalty? Lol. Like with Sessions, Flynn, Donnie Jr, Preibus? He throws everyone under the bus, leaves them hanging when they're in trouble, and then turns his back as soon as they don't do what he wants.

This dude was going to scrap healthcare just for the sake of being able to claim he delivered on his campaign promise. Dude is as loyal as a stripper.

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Oct 13, 2017

They have invaded (annexed) Ukraine though......

Monkey see. Monkey Doo [Doo].

Jul 23, 2017

Sessions is an idiot racist. He wants to lock more people up.....

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Jul 23, 2017

He's a poopy pants.

Last time I checked, the AG locks people up. Good for him. Love me some sesh.

Jul 23, 2017

The US does not need to lock up more people

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Dec 9, 2017

Oh yeah, remember when they had the funeral on TV a couple of years ago for Scalia. What a joke that was. Another one who filled up the prisons with poor people who broke the law by selling illegal DVDS. Yeah, that's why he was murdered and he deserved it!!!

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Jul 28, 2017
phd_engineer:

For a lot of people that are moderates, ***it isn't so much his actual policies, it's more his general lack of critical thinking skills. It was assumed that he would surround himself with the best/smartest advisors, but this has turned out to not be true in the majority of cases.

In general, I just want the President to be someone that has integrity and can make logical decisions, even if I disagree with the policies themselves.

100% sums up my reasoning when I voted for him.

Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.

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Jul 23, 2017

I actually don't support Trump I just wanted to see how many idiots they're on this forum. Are you really going to turn a blind eye to all the nepotism and cronyism? Looks like the White House is a family business now, lol!

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Jul 23, 2017

TNA loves living in a banana republic. The nepotism is too blatant. Who wants people in power that we didn't vote for??? (Kushner, Ivanka, cannon, Miller, etc)

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Jul 23, 2017

Did you vote for Susan rice? Did you vote for Ginsburg?

You vote for the president and he appoints who he wants. And what power, other than suggestive, does Ivanka and Kush have? Can ivanka pass a law? No.

Learn what a banana republic is. Than come talk to the adults.

Jul 23, 2017

Rice and Ginsberg didn't/don't use their position(s) for personal/familial profits

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Jul 23, 2017

Move the goal posts.

It's cool. You're argument was weak to begin with.

Jul 28, 2017

Please explain how I am moving the goal posts, if that is what you meant.
When I voted for Obama, I in fact was voting for him to put in place smart, competent people, which he did.

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Jul 28, 2017

Is tillerson not competent? Is Mattis not competent?

Get real dude.

Jul 28, 2017
Jul 28, 2017

Vanity fair is a joke.

The Dept of energy is a shit Dept.

One fucking cabinet member. Btw Perry was governor of Texas, a state that knows a lot about power.

Furthermore, if the Dept of energy is so important, they've been doing a shit job. No new nuclear plants, haven't been able to figure out a long term storage plan for spent fuel, our electricity grid is shit and antiquated.

But only now are you worried and concerned. Sure man, pretty convienent. What a joke.

Jul 28, 2017

You didn't read the article

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Dec 9, 2017

Yeah, all they care about is selling their stupid products. Even Hillary, when she running was marketing something stupid. I don't remember what it was.

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Jul 23, 2017

But hey I don't support either party. Libertarian ftw. They support free market capitalism and let people decide who they want to be with no government interference. Or you can just stick to the war mongering Republicans and Democrats.

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Jul 28, 2017

The problem is that, after a long stressful economical and social time like the last 10 yrs, specially n the US, people got frustrated. and when ppl get frustrated they end up believing in the quick fix...like diets! lol
I don't think Trump is the solution for anything. His policies and ways to approach things seem really "self business" and not really thought through.
And the problem is that no one can say otherwise or oppose as America is America, and they are allowed everything. He smart enough to take advantage of it. Where else in the world a "Muslim Ban" would have been ..ok...? Nowhere in Europe that could have been gone through.

Jul 28, 2017

Trump fucks

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Jul 28, 2017

Woah... I'm just going to say it. This guy fucks. Am I right?!

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Jul 28, 2017
iggs99988:

Woah... I'm just going to say it. This guy fucks. Am I right?!

Don't bring piss to a shit fight.

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Sep 7, 2017

SB for bringing back a reference I had previously forgotten.

'I'm jacked... JACKED TO THE TITS!!'

Jul 28, 2017

Whether they like it or not...

Jul 28, 2017

The man suffers from malignant narcissism. He's a compulsive liar that flip-flops on everything, and is too unpredictable and unreliable for presidency.

The more you read into his history, the more you realize that he has all the qualities of a grade A+ scumbag.

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Jul 28, 2017

Narcissistic and liar. Sounds like every president.

at least Trump didn't hang out with Bill Ayers or Rev. Wright. Or lie and pass a tax as a "fine". You can keep your insurance.

Dec 9, 2017

Yes, and only the most recent of a long line of many scummy men and women.

Jul 28, 2017

I am starting to like Trump honestly. His utter inability to accomplish anything on his agenda (an agenda that I disagreed with) is beautiful to watch. The current situation in the white house (lol @ Scaramucci) is high comedy, Colbert doesn't need to satirize it, it satirizes itself. I wonder how long Sessions and Priebus will last, my money is on Priebus resigning and Sessions being fired - which will of course work out about as well as the Comey firing.

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Jul 28, 2017

Obamacare disaster is slowly moving forward. Trumps EO's and cabinet picks have unwound most of Obamas crap. He picked a great conservative SCOTUS.

You realize it took Dems about a year to pass Obamacare. Yet you expect republicans to fix it in 6 months.

Get informed and then speak. God damn.

Jul 28, 2017

Everything is going fine! He's accomplished more in 6 months than Obama did in 8 years! He's already one of the most successful presidents of all-time! Gorsuch puts the G in Gangsta!

MAGA Eternity

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Jul 28, 2017

He's undone what obama did over 8 years in 6 months.

It's cool man. I don't expect understanding of issues from you. Obamacare didn't bend the cost curve down, it cost business money as premiums increased and reduced options. Took over a year to pass, but Trumps a failure for not fixing it in half the time.

He didn't make the mess. Trump didn't allow NK to get nuclear weapons. He didn't illegally invade Iraq. He didn't support gaddafi being overthrown. He didn't double the national debt. He didn't sign trade deals which gutted manufacturing.

If only your boy Barack was eternal leader. We could triple the debt in another 8 years and get 1% GDP growth a year. What a loser.

Jul 28, 2017

Agreed! He is going to drain the swamp! Bring the Amazon Washington Post to heel! End this witch hunt created by the Dems that are just mad they lost! He even won the popular vote if you don't count all those illegals brought over in buses to vote! He's winning! BIGLY!

MAGA Eternity

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Jul 28, 2017
BobTheBaker:

I wonder how long Sessions and Priebus will last, my money is on Priebus resigning and Sessions being fired - which will of course work out about as well as the Comey firing.

One down, one to go.

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Dec 9, 2017

Yes, I really enjoyed when his dentures were falling out of his big fat mouth the other day! Wow!!!

Jul 28, 2017

Even better question is, "Why do people love him?" Is he a mirror into their own souls?

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Jul 28, 2017

Recent poster, long-time lurker here: The unraveling and radicalizing of TNA over the years is a powerful reminder of what happens when ideology consumes identity-- You lose all ability for skeptical inquiry and genuine discourse.

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Jul 28, 2017

Sick burn bro. My stance has been rather consistent for years. Sorry, but Obamacare is a disaster. Illegal immigration is illegal. Corporate taxes are a pass through and make the US uncompetitive. And 1% GDP growth after the unprecedented fiscal and fed stimulus is pathetic.

I suppose I should embrace Hillary. Her foreign policy didn't create the migrant disaster. Obama and Bush didn't create these waves of illegal immigrants. Obamacare has made insurance cheaper and given consumers more option. Bush made the right choice with Iraq. Cheaper T shirts offset losing well paying manufacturing jobs. Increased taxes are always the solution.

Jul 28, 2017

Trump's foreign policy is so incoherent it may as well be nonexistent. Illegal immigration decreased under Obama, and Bush actually wanted to work with Dems to create comprehensive immigration reform, Sessions (yea, the guy Trump wants to boot out of office) led the charge against that idea. Obama-care made insurance more available, and the expansion of Medicaid did make insurance cheaper for millions. Trump supported Iraq as well, although he still lies about that despite recorded evidence. Manufacturing is a dying industry, automation is what killed it not trade deals, we should likely focus on advanced manufacturing and improving the quality of service jobs. Decreasing taxes are always the solution.

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Jul 28, 2017

Incoherent how? You hold Trump to a standard you don't hold others to.

1) firm on NK. Finally someone pushing for leverage on this menace.

2) not caring about Syria. Thank god.

3) making "allies" pay their fair share. Thanks.

Illegal immigration did not decline under obama. Deportations increased, but overall immigration did not. It's absolutely declined now we have a president enforcing the law and empowering ICE to do their job.

Sessions is just getting shit from his boss. I don't see him going anywhere. Either way, he's doing his job and cracking down on illegal immigration.

Insurance providers are pulling out of states. Wages have stagnated in part because employers are paying more for insurance. It's increased costs for everyone. This is plain and simple.

Manufacturing is dying yes, but regulations, taxes, bad trade deals are what exaggerated this process. Do you understand the difference between a ship slowly sinking and a torpedo splitting it in two?

Sorry, but Trump is a result of decades of failed policies and "experts" not knowing their head from their ass. Unprecedented stimulus and 1% growth. Pathetic.

Decreasing corporate taxes is the solution. Increased personal taxes on assets that cannot move can be part of the solution, but only when those revenues are used appropriately and not to enlarge government.

Jul 28, 2017
  • What has he done regarding NK or making "allies pay their far share"?/ he bombed Syria...
  • The number of illegal immigrants living in the US hit its lowest level in a decade under President Barack Obama's administration, a study suggests. There were 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the US in 2015 according to the Pew Research Centre, the lowest number since 2005. That included people who crossed the border illegally and those who overstayed their legal visas, and was based on data from the Census Bureau's American Community Survey.

According to this, illegal immigration decreased under Obama

  • Trump is publicly humiliating his own appointee Jeff Sessions in order to get him to quit in a way we haven't seen from a president in modern politics and you call it "just giving him shit".
  • Wage stagnation pre-dates Obamacare by decades and it makes sense that wages stagnate coming out of recession. Don't let those facts stop you from blaming that on Obamacare though. BTW I don't even like the damn thing, I am for universal healthcare. What I do know is Trump/ the Republicans definitely don't have a better solution.
  • That torpedo was automation not some regulation, stop pushing myths. It's like saying coal is dead because of Obama regulations, the free market killed coal. In any case we should focus on advanced manufacturing and increasing the quality of service jobs, as HRC wanted to do.
  • Trump is a result of the masses not knowing what's in their best interest. They hired a platinum spoon NY billionaire as a "populist" - hilarious.
  • I generally agree here but I want the money to decrease military spending by ~30% and spend that money on education and universal healthcare. Idk what you'd spend that money on.
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Jul 28, 2017

Umm pushing china to reign NK in? Focusing on NK. Sending battle groups to the Korean Peninsula?

Whatever. Trump could nuke NK and you'd say the Missile did all the work.

Link the study. Obama hamstrung ICE, passed the dreamers bullshit, otherwise ignored the issue and you say it declined under him? Sure. Yet Trumps vocally been against it, ICE is doing their job. You have a AG focused on it, crossings have dropped substantially, and trump is going nothing . Sure.

Automation, not regulatotion killed manufacturing? I suppose plants in Mexico and china don't exist. Automation reduced the workers necessary to do something. A ship sinking slowly. Regulation made manufacturing too costly in the US. The torpedo that split it in two.

Understand quick vs fast.

God. Wages stagnant when you have excess workers. We have very low unemployment, yet no wage increase. Wonder why? Because employers are paying wage increases in the form of higher insurance premiums.

Universal healthcare is shit.

As usual, crap reply. Keep it up. Please link huff post and Vox.

Jul 28, 2017

Have a good weekend bro, this is pointless.

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Jul 28, 2017

Your posts are just shitty cocktails of specious logic and rhetorical smoke screens. Very rarely do you present anything supported by actual evidence in your rants. Anytime somebody presents you a source you immediately try to discredit it with inane, ad hominem insults. You are uninterested in opposing viewpoints, consider little beyond what you type, and never make a concession. It's like arguing with a conspiracy theorist, anything that doesn't confirm the theory just becomes part of the conspiracy. If it's critical or causes dissonance it's now fake.

You probably don't see the irony in your own quote "You hold Trump to a standard you don't hold others to". You appear to assume that criticism of Trump is tantamount to tacit approval of Obama's policies or Hilary's platform. And you can't seem to separate presidential rhetoric from efficacy.

Here are plain facts to counter your tired talking points. Also, I will preface it by openly addressing my bias that I am not in favor of massive deportation efforts:

* Statistically, there were more immigrants deported under Obama than any other president. (This is in part due to a reclassification of what constitutes a deportation initiated during the Bush Presidency)
* The border patrol budget expanded from 5.9 B in 2003 to 11.9B in 2013 under Obama
* The ICE budget grew from 3.3B to 5.9B in the same time period.

The standard and cost of living is what made manufacturing in the U.S. cost prohibitive. All else being equal, it will always be vastly cheaper to manufacture in an emerging economy than a developed one. The overhead, real estate costs, labor laws, labor wages, fringe benefits, ect. that don't exist in emerging economies is what drives outsourcing. Particularly for manufacturing jobs that require lower levels of skill and expertise.

Wage stagnation began in the late 1970s early 1980s, when wages became divorced from productivity. From 1980 to 2013 real median wage growth has been .02%-.03% annualized. This a phenomenon that drastically predates Obama and has zero to do with Obamacare despite your persistence in pretending that it does.

Link: http://www.epi.org/publication/charting-wage-stagn... The source is the economic policy institute that is non-partisan but with a slight left slant - So don't waste your time its "fake" economic data.

Your comment about universal health care systems being shit is just more baseless, ideology-motivated drivel. I'd be happy to deconstruct it and provide evidence to the contrary, but not on a Friday night.

Cheers

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Jul 28, 2017

wow, awesome. I suppose you didn't read where I said obama deported more people.

And yes, budgets increased as govt spending increased. Thanks for the one link.

I'm going to dinner. I'll crap on your post later. Gotta love how you spin Obama as anti illegal immigration. Yet he supported the dreamer act, hand cuffed ice, was fine with sanctuary cities, etc. all things that encourage immigration.

Ahh, yes. Standard of living, INCLUDING regulation and taxes have made manufacturing cost prohibitive.

Thanks for blovating.

Jul 28, 2017

You should take the night off.

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Jul 28, 2017

Please, deconstruct how tax payer supported healthcare doesn't a) massively increase taxes b) lead to rationing and c) reduce outcomes. Simply look at the NHS or Dept of Veteran Affairs to see what happens when you have socialized medicine.

Liberals - we can do anything as long as someone else pays.

Jul 29, 2017

The United State healthcare system is massively broken. If it were analyzed in a Prudential sense against its OECD counterparts the wastefulness, inefficiency, and backwardness becomes painfully unavoidable.

We spend nearly 18% of our GDP on Healthcare, compare to France, the second highest nation, at 11.5%.

We have the highest private healthcare costs and third highest public healthcare costs.

We pay more than double the amount for prescription drugs than other OECD nations

Bypass surgery costs $78k here versus less than $25k in the U.K., same with virtually all other procedures.

The additional cost obligations imposed by our system leads to no appreciable difference in the value of services we receive (as measured by health outcomes).

To perpetuate the notion that there is no existing precedent for successful universal healthcare is to ignore the achievements of France, Singapore, Japan, U.K., Switzerland, ect. By virtually any measurement of cost effectiveness, efficiency, or well-being their systems far exceed ours - Yet, people continually argue the U.S. should become structurally less like them and not more.

America has a byzantine patchwork of burdensome healthcare services because people simply can't swallow something that appears too much like socialist institution, even if it empirically and objectively outperforms. People don't understand that the taxpayer and consumer already fund healthcare. Except instead of doing it directly and with transparency through a tax, it takes the form of higher premiums, growing medical costs, and insurance mandates. In the end, it all comes back to the consumer it's just a matter of how many hands and bottom lines it has to pass through first. As a healthy person forced into an insurance pool, I'd rather just pay a tax - it essentially performs the same operational purpose but drops the pretense.

It's not hard to understand why public healthcare is more cost-effective than a system that is private, or a patchwork system of public and private. The government can effectively suspend practices that drive costs without adding value; it commands and centralizes the system. To use an example, public, universal healthcare systems don't have insurance companies siphoning tens of billions of dollars out of the system. The need for healthcare over the course of a life is not a matter of probability; it's a matter of amount. You should not be insuring the definite, and certainly not to the tune of billions of dollars. This is what bends the cost curve--more hands in the healthcare pot than necessary all taking a cut.

Not a sardonic request, but a genuine one. Help me understand how insuring healthcare services, while preserving a 15-20% margin, and then providing those services is cheaper than just providing the services?

I realize it's not entirely that simple, but on some level that question needs to have a sufficient answer.

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Jul 29, 2017

We both agree costs are too high. As for your comment on the cost of medicine, the US subsidizes the world when it comes to R&D. It is like comparing the cost of drugs in Canada to the USA. The actual pill costs nothing, but the process to get to a working medicine is costly.

Socialist medicine does not empirically perform. Socialist medicine is paid for with high taxes, rationed service and lower outcomes. The USA is a barbell. The best and worst service. We should focus on improving the bottom part of the healthcare without ruining the best part of it. Socialized medicine is mediocre across the board.

And wealthy people in these counties aren't going to the NHS for service. They either have private doctors or come to the US for the best service.

As for how the US operates, we confuse insurance with a managed health plan. Insurance is to insure from something unforeseen. To prevent bankruptcy when you get a rare cancer. We need actual insurance, coupled with a managed health services plan. Obamacare does nothing for this except double and triple the price of independent insurance, reduce options and increase costs.

Anything the government touches is costly and inefficient. Socialism and its brother, communism, are failed ideologies and it is frankly sickening to see this country slide in this direction.

Jul 29, 2017

SB for genuine discourse. I don't necessarily agree, nor am I convinced by the argument, but I understand it.

Jul 29, 2017

Reality is the majority of healthcare expenses occur in the end of life when people throw every hail Mary possible. Also, illnesses that could be easily prevented (heart disease, diabetes, etc). You also have zero incentive to save money or reduce costs (imagine if someone paid x per month and could eat whatever and wherever - they'd order filet and lobster all the time).

I simply thing healthcare costs can be reduced without full government control.

Dec 9, 2017

This government has no right to charge us taxes! Isn't it ironic that this country was founded by men who were rich and white and didn't want to pay taxes to England, but now they tax their own people. I feel sorry for a lot of the immigrants, because they actually believe how great America is. All they are is just another vote to these politicians. That's why they get so much handed to them. I know many foreigners who live here and 90% say they wished they'd never come here, but they had children, so they end up staying. My dream as an American is to live in the desert, so I don't have to listen to all the big mouths in government anymore and that hasn't even came true yet.

Jul 28, 2017

Btw was this supposed to be discourse or just a shitty insult.

Jul 28, 2017

Rience Priebus, we hardly knew ye.

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Jul 28, 2017

I probably agree with roughly 50% of Trump's agenda. My gripe isn't just with the 50% of his policy I don't like. My primary issue is the way in which he represents the office of the Presidency with absolutely zero class. As I'm sure the arrogant POS hasn't learned yet today after John McCain just mud stomped the repeal of Obamacare, words have consequences. You can't just go bloviating off at the mouth, pissing off people left and right for a few applauses at his next live speech. The Presidency is a job to run the most powerful country in the world. It's not a platform for a reality TV show to get ratings. And if Trump fires Mueller, he should be impeached and removed from office. If he isn't, we have someone no different than a dictator sitting at the helm.

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Jul 28, 2017

He can't fire Mueller, which is why he is trying to degrade Sessions out of office. He wants to appoint an AG that hasn't recused himself from the Russia situation who can therefore fire Mueller.

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Jul 28, 2017

Right. Whether he fires him directly or indirectly, same motive and result just a different method. He's a demagogue on a power trip who is the last person you want creating US policy and having access to the nuclear codes.

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Jul 28, 2017

Read that on Vox.

The USA should only elect losers who have never created jobs or made money outside of politics. A global real estate developer has contact with Russia or Russian people.

Jul 28, 2017

Oh shut up. Bill Clinton got blown in the Oval Office. Obamas loser wife Said she wasn't proud to be american until recently.

McCain is a traitor and should resign. Words have actions? You mean like Republicans spending 8 years talking about repealing Obamacare and then failing.

This is 100% a failure on Republicans and shows how worthless congress is.

Russia. LOL. Anyone who actually believes this is a joke. 6 months and nothing. Still waiting on a crime. Oh, Trumps team met someone from Russia. Oh no. I didn't realize the USA talked with Russia.

Putin actually defends and loves his country. Unlike the majority of Republicans.

Jul 28, 2017
TNA:

McCain is a traitor and should resign. Words have actions? You mean like Republicans spending 8 years talking about repealing Obamacare and then failing.

Christ...McCain is a traitor? A man who served his country for years and continues to serve his country despite his health?

Just stop talking. You have lost all your credibility.

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Jul 28, 2017

Anyone who denounces Trump is a traitor apparently....

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Jul 28, 2017

No, just a clown.

Jul 28, 2017

How many wars has McCain supported? How much in pork spending. How much saber rattling.

Good for him 40 years ago or more when he served. He's a POS now. Good riddance.

Servicing his country in congress LOLOL.

Dec 9, 2017

Yeah, it's all a game with the people at the top. They are all immoral, dillusional and greedy.

Jul 29, 2017

why didn't words have consequences when obama was president? remember when he made fun of the special olympics and no one cared? if trump even does something close to that he gets called "literally hitler", just look at the lying tweets from jk rowling and how many people are going to think that shit is true when it's just an edited video, about how he wouldn't shake the hand of some kid in a wheelchair when he obviously did

words never mattered until trumpy dumpfy hurted the medias feelings :( wahhhhh

but yea you are right trump is a dictator, not the guy who weaponized the IRS to target private citizens so they couldn't oragnize in dissent of him!

Jul 28, 2017

Holy shit is this the_donald or wso?

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Jul 28, 2017

hey i didn't even vote for trump, but we all know why he won... here is a good homegrown WSO examples!

BobTheBaker:

Asian chics are the only race of chics in America to be on the record that they prefer another race of male (white). I think many races that aren't black basically perpetuate white supremacy without even knowing it (even a lot of black people do). Their family would be aghast at a black guy dating their daughter but may roll out the red carpet for a white dude. In Thailand that shit was prevalent, there was even a book on Thai/ Western relationships but it was all in reference to white male/ thai female. Never the other way around and never any acknowledgement of westerners of other hues. It isn't surprising that in such an environment it rubs off on these chics, although I've smashed quite a few Asians I've only seriously dated one, and she was half white.

p.s. Russian/ Filipino is a nice combo

dating white people as a minority is an act of white supremacy!!!!!

Jul 29, 2017

Yea... not at all what I said. You should probably hop off my dick bro.

Jul 29, 2017

You seem to be butt hurt about people not dating certain races. Pretty factual.

Dec 9, 2017

These people who have race phobia also have a problem with people's sexuality. In other words they don't know how to mind their business and get themselves straightened out. It's true a person should never bring up sex, religion or politics. Very hot topics!!!

Jul 29, 2017

what do you mean it's not what you said? i directly quoted you haha, you typed that paragraph not me lol

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Jul 28, 2017

Scaramucci gets Priebus ousted, then Scaramucci gets divorced by his wife. Holy fuck this really is a reality show.

Jul 29, 2017

as if any reality show could possibly live up to this haha

Jul 29, 2017
Dig Bumb Idiot:

as if any reality show could possibly live up to this haha

Touche.

Dec 13, 2017

lol

Jul 29, 2017

The nation's attitude toward him has less to do with his politics than his person. Nothing listed in OP's post is insane. Most points would be supported by the majority of the population.

People hate Trump because he is a chaotic, lying, incoherent, ineloquent, unabashed meglomaniac who has an attitude of a petulant, over-grown teenager. He is unfit as leader, which leads to uneasiness in the average person.

He can't communicate his message properly and displays behaviors and attitudes uncharacteristic of a leader, let alone the most powerful man in the world. Again, it has little to do his politics. Case in point, more illegal immigrants were deported under Barack Obama than George W. Bush. Muslims were targeted and illegally monitored under him as well.

Dec 13, 2017

I am really impressed by the interviewer. She really let him have it and she looks around my age. Plus, I'd hit it...

Dec 13, 2017

what a charlie sheen wannabe.... WINNER WINNER SHEEEEEEEN DINNER

Dec 13, 2017
What-to-do-What-to-do:

what a charlie sheen wannabe.... WINNER WINNER SHEEEEEEEN DINNER

lol... "I like... WINNING"

Dec 13, 2017

Yeah, she does not let him get away with the usual tough-guy crap he pulls. He's so beyond full of shit, and she absolutely calls him on it again and again.

I guess he figured that since Murdoch owns the WSJ, they'd give him a soft-ball interview and suck on his cock like the idiots on Fox & Friends.

Dec 13, 2017

And he really is such a shameless self promoter. That 40 second monologue at the end about how great a show the apprentice is? jeez

Dec 13, 2017

DT is a Troll...

Dec 13, 2017

What an utter douchebag

Dec 13, 2017

Surprised that the WSJ gave him such a hard time.

Dec 13, 2017

holy shit

Dec 13, 2017

I really like Trump; it boggles my mind how bad some of you speak of him.

Trump himself has never been bankrupt and has a good business track record. Bankruptcy is a commonly used tool, especially in real estate. I'm not an expert on Trump, but I doubt he ever had any sort of personal guarantee on any real estate deals, so he himself would never go bankrupt even if a property became totally worthless.

The guy is a non-bullshit guy. He bluntly says the Iraq war is about oil, which while 100% true, no politician ever admits. I applaud him for that. For example that dipshit Romney would probably say "oh but it's about the FREEDOM!!!"...freedom my ass! You know how many non-oil rich countries need "freeing"? Why did we choose to "free" the most oil rich one of them all? Wake up people... This country needs a non-bullshitter; unlike Obama. The Republicans need a good salesman; Trump is the only one that comes close to Obama as far as that.

I think if Trump runs he will have a very good chance of winning.

Dec 13, 2017

Btw, OP, I don't see anything in the video that makes me (or any objective person), think that Trump is a "disgrace".

Can someone please give me some coherent, intelligent argument as to why Trump is a disgrace? All I ever hear bad about him on these forums is that he is a shameless self promoter (umm...it's called marketing...he's obviously good at it...try turning your last name into a top luxury brand) or that he is or was bankrupt (which again, is not true). I also think comparisons to Hilton, Kardashian, etc. are totally unwarranted; Trump actually became famous via his real estate dealings, not the other way around. So what is it...why is he a disgrace, troll, douchebag?????

So, in summation, i can only conclude that detractors of Trump are pretty braindead; at least if I'm going to diss on some candidate, I can back it up with facts. Can anyone actually provide me with facts for why Trump would be bad?

Dec 13, 2017
alexpasch:

Btw, OP, I don't see anything in the video that makes me (or any objective person), think that Trump is a "disgrace".

Can someone please give me some coherent, intelligent argument as to why Trump is a disgrace? All I ever hear bad about him on these forums is that he is a shameless self promoter (umm...it's called marketing...he's obviously good at it...try turning your last name into a top luxury brand) or that he is or was bankrupt (which again, is not true). I also think comparisons to Hilton, Kardashian, etc. are totally unwarranted; Trump actually became famous via his real estate dealings, not the other way around. So what is it...why is he a disgrace, troll, douchebag?????

So, in summation, i can only conclude that detractors of Trump are pretty braindead; at least if I'm going to diss on some candidate, I can back it up with facts. Can anyone actually provide me with facts for why Trump would be bad?

I agree with most of what you're saying, but how do you defend the Obama birther bullshit?

Dec 13, 2017
JeffSkilling:
alexpasch:

Btw, OP, I don't see anything in the video that makes me (or any objective person), think that Trump is a "disgrace".

Can someone please give me some coherent, intelligent argument as to why Trump is a disgrace? All I ever hear bad about him on these forums is that he is a shameless self promoter (umm...it's called marketing...he's obviously good at it...try turning your last name into a top luxury brand) or that he is or was bankrupt (which again, is not true). I also think comparisons to Hilton, Kardashian, etc. are totally unwarranted; Trump actually became famous via his real estate dealings, not the other way around. So what is it...why is he a disgrace, troll, douchebag?????

So, in summation, i can only conclude that detractors of Trump are pretty braindead; at least if I'm going to diss on some candidate, I can back it up with facts. Can anyone actually provide me with facts for why Trump would be bad?

I agree with most of what you're saying, but how do you defend the Obama birther bullshit?

I've done zero research into the birther debate (because I think it's a stupid law, while I don't like Obama, even if I found out that he wasn't born here, I wouldn't care at all and wouldn't seek to impeach him on those grounds). Still, a couple thoughts I have on that. I think they are probably lacking some sort of 100% definitive proof, otherwise this issue would never have gotten as big as it did at one point. I don't necessarily think this means he wasn't born here, but with how shitty government record keeping can be, especially 50 years ago, wouldn't surprise me if something's missing. (Again, I've done zero research into ti, I think it's a moot point).

I think Trump is using that issue to pander to the Republican base, because he knows he's the most centrist and knows winning the Republican nomination is priority #1 right now. He's donated to Hilary and he does agree with Obama on certain things (actually some of the things I agree with Obama on too).

I think if Trump can come out as the Republican nominee, he has a very good chance of beating Obama; I don't see any other Republican candidate even having a chance at beating Obama. The Republicans need a good salesman, right now the best they got is Palin; and SHE is a disgrace (for being so retarded). Say what you will about Trump, but the man is intelligent and shrewd as hell. I bet Trump deep down hates Palin just as much as I do, but he knows she's powerful, especially with the far right; he knows how to play the game and he plays it well - I'd be doing exactly the same playbook as him right now. (Note how the birther issue is really a non-issue when you think about it, on what other issue can he appeal to the Republican far right? abortion, religion, guns?) He's not gonna steal the religious right from Huckabee; he wants to steal Palin and Romney votes, and I think he can (and so far the polls show that).

Dec 13, 2017
alexpasch:

[(Note how the birther issue is really a non-issue when you think about it, on what other issue can he appeal to the Republican far right? abortion, religion, guns?) He's not gonna steal the religious right from Huckabee; he wants to steal Palin and Romney votes, and I think he can (and so far the polls show that).

Good insight, this would explain his dabbling in the dark arts of conspiracy theory.

junkbondswap:

spend $3mm+ trying to conceal the information.

this has been tossed around for a while now - documentation or it's fake

junkbondswap:

I would vote for anyone (Trump included) over Obama.

THIS is driving too much of the GOtea party. This reminds me of the Bush hating circa 2003.

alexpasch:

Obama will be very, very, very tough to beat.

Someone else will be president only if Obama screws up and 'loses'. No one is going to 'win' against him, his positioning is just too strong. [I look at it like a chess board, and did NOT vote for him....I'm just being honest]

LIBOR:

@alexpasch
Haven't almost all of the oilfield purchases in Iraq after the invasion been sold to foreign oil companies?
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948...

michaelj901:

DT is a Troll...

hahaha. Actually, He's setting the tone for the platform that the GOP candidate for 2016 will refine and run on. Who jumps on it is anyone's guess, but the 2012 election is a dry run for conservatives as far as I'm concerned.

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alexpasch:

Btw, OP, I don't see anything in the video that makes me (or any objective person), think that Trump is a "disgrace".

Can someone please give me some coherent, intelligent argument as to why Trump is a disgrace? All I ever hear bad about him on these forums is that he is a shameless self promoter (umm...it's called marketing...he's obviously good at it...try turning your last name into a top luxury brand) or that he is or was bankrupt (which again, is not true). I also think comparisons to Hilton, Kardashian, etc. are totally unwarranted; Trump actually became famous via his real estate dealings, not the other way around. So what is it...why is he a disgrace, troll, douchebag?????

So, in summation, i can only conclude that detractors of Trump are pretty braindead; at least if I'm going to diss on some candidate, I can back it up with facts. Can anyone actually provide me with facts for why Trump would be bad?

Where to begin on Trump, let's see, while he did not personally declare bankruptcy, two of his hotels did, pushing him personally to the brink of bankruptcy. He clearly has no understanding of foreign policy, for example, he said he would just take Iraq's oil without in any way explaining how he would do this. How would he do it, nationalize the oil industry in Iraq? An act which he would not have the power to do. He talks imposing tariffs, which is blatantly anti-free trade, and attempts to cover himself by saying he's pro-free trade as long as it's quote "fair", without realizing that with true free trade one side might come out ahead, he comes off sounding like a very confused protectionist.

The fact that he legitimately gives credence to the idea that Obama was not born in America further makes him sound insane. Yes Donald, Barack Obama ascended to the top level of the American government without actually being born in America, apparently conning people at every level of government into trusting a forged or non-existent birth certificate, because it's just that easy, no one every verifies that your birth certificate is real, or better yet, you are never asked for one.

He represents everything that is wrong with big-government conservatism, and would be a repeat of the Bush years. He supports further government intervention in our economy and social lives by re-introducing tariffs, disallowing gay marriage, attempting to repeal Roe v. Wade, and some sort of undisclosed plan to take all of Iraq's oil, all of which would be further encroachments of the government into our lives.

Dec 13, 2017
gnicholas:
alexpasch:

Btw, OP, I don't see anything in the video that makes me (or any objective person), think that Trump is a "disgrace".

Can someone please give me some coherent, intelligent argument as to why Trump is a disgrace? All I ever hear bad about him on these forums is that he is a shameless self promoter (umm...it's called marketing...he's obviously good at it...try turning your last name into a top luxury brand) or that he is or was bankrupt (which again, is not true). I also think comparisons to Hilton, Kardashian, etc. are totally unwarranted; Trump actually became famous via his real estate dealings, not the other way around. So what is it...why is he a disgrace, troll, douchebag?????

So, in summation, i can only conclude that detractors of Trump are pretty braindead; at least if I'm going to diss on some candidate, I can back it up with facts. Can anyone actually provide me with facts for why Trump would be bad?

Where to begin on Trump, let's see, while he did not personally declare bankruptcy, two of his hotels did, pushing him personally to the brink of bankruptcy. He clearly has no understanding of foreign policy, for example, he said he would just take Iraq's oil without in any way explaining how he would do this. How would he do it, nationalize the oil industry in Iraq? An act which he would not have the power to do. He talks imposing tariffs, which is blatantly anti-free trade, and attempts to cover himself by saying he's pro-free trade as long as it's quote "fair", without realizing that with true free trade one side might come out ahead, he comes off sounding like a very confused protectionist.

The fact that he legitimately gives credence to the idea that Obama was not born in America further makes him sound insane. Yes Donald, Barack Obama ascended to the top level of the American government without actually being born in America, apparently conning people at every level of government into trusting a forged or non-existent birth certificate, because it's just that easy, no one every verifies that your birth certificate is real, or better yet, you are never asked for one.

He represents everything that is wrong with big-government conservatism, and would be a repeat of the Bush years. He supports further government intervention in our economy and social lives by re-introducing tariffs, disallowing gay marriage, attempting to repeal Roe v. Wade, and some sort of undisclosed plan to take all of Iraq's oil, all of which would be further encroachments of the government into our lives.

This.

Dec 13, 2017
gnicholas:
alexpasch:

Btw, OP, I don't see anything in the video that makes me (or any objective person), think that Trump is a "disgrace".

Can someone please give me some coherent, intelligent argument as to why Trump is a disgrace? All I ever hear bad about him on these forums is that he is a shameless self promoter (umm...it's called marketing...he's obviously good at it...try turning your last name into a top luxury brand) or that he is or was bankrupt (which again, is not true). I also think comparisons to Hilton, Kardashian, etc. are totally unwarranted; Trump actually became famous via his real estate dealings, not the other way around. So what is it...why is he a disgrace, troll, douchebag?????

So, in summation, i can only conclude that detractors of Trump are pretty braindead; at least if I'm going to diss on some candidate, I can back it up with facts. Can anyone actually provide me with facts for why Trump would be bad?

Where to begin on Trump, let's see, while he did not personally declare bankruptcy, two of his hotels did, pushing him personally to the brink of bankruptcy. He clearly has no understanding of foreign policy, for example, he said he would just take Iraq's oil without in any way explaining how he would do this. How would he do it, nationalize the oil industry in Iraq? An act which he would not have the power to do. He talks imposing tariffs, which is blatantly anti-free trade, and attempts to cover himself by saying he's pro-free trade as long as it's quote "fair", without realizing that with true free trade one side might come out ahead, he comes off sounding like a very confused protectionist.

The fact that he legitimately gives credence to the idea that Obama was not born in America further makes him sound insane. Yes Donald, Barack Obama ascended to the top level of the American government without actually being born in America, apparently conning people at every level of government into trusting a forged or non-existent birth certificate, because it's just that easy, no one every verifies that your birth certificate is real, or better yet, you are never asked for one.

He represents everything that is wrong with big-government conservatism, and would be a repeat of the Bush years. He supports further government intervention in our economy and social lives by re-introducing tariffs, disallowing gay marriage, attempting to repeal Roe v. Wade, and some sort of undisclosed plan to take all of Iraq's oil, all of which would be further encroachments of the government into our lives.

Umm...we conquered Iraq. In case you didn't know, that actually means we can actually do with it whatever we want. We invaded that country because Cheney knows a shit-ton about oil depletion issues and he knows that when we have a 10M bpd global shortfall by 2020, we're going to be very happy we took it over before China. The war in Iraq is about oil; I invest in energy for a living; trust me when I say it's 100% about oil.

There are issues with free trade in that there are externalities and market imperfections that make it such that even with true free trade, it can be detrimental for one of the parties (unlike the abstract theory, which would state that freer trade can never make any of the parties worse off). Emerging market countries do this intelligently to grow, China is doing this right now by what they are doing as far as their currency, intellectual property, etc. They are being very intelligent in how they syphon wealth out of the US, all in the name of providing the US with free trade and cheap imports. I don't think Trump is confused at all, I think you're confusing abstract economic theory with cold hard reality (and I'm a huge libertarian and proponent of free markets, btw). Real life is often a little more complicated than your economics textbooks...

I addressed the birther in my other post just now.

Ummm...Trump actually supported pay caps on Wall Street (i.e. agreed with Obama and the Democrats, just like I did also) when Wall Street accepted government funds; saying that if they take gov. money, the gov. can now write the rules and protect taxpayer's interests. Does that sound like everything that is wrong with big-government conservatism?

I don't really care about the social issues, I don't think he's anywhere near the furthest right on social issues as far as the Republican candidates. I think if anything a lot of that is political pandering. The guy lives in NYC, not flyover country for crying out loud.

Some tariffs can be good, others bad; would have to know specifics. I don't think Trump is retarded, which is more than I can say for some of the other front runners. He's a good businessman and would probably negotiate favorable trade deals. Still, our country doesn't live or die by trade deals alone, I think Trump talks about that a little too much to be honest. I also don't think putting Trump in the "big government" bucket makes a lot of sense. Being tough on international trade does not extend to domestic issues. I highly doubt Trump would be for instituting more regulations, increasing government spending, or increasing taxes; so I don't see why you say "big-government".

I'm not saying the man's perfect, I just think he's the best Republican that actually has a chance of winning. Who else would be better and why? I'm assuming there are a lot of Romney fan boys here, but that guy's a big flip flopper and only in it for himself. I don't disagree with Romney's actual policies, but unless you're horrible at reading people, it should be plainly obvious that the man has no true principles and is just in it for the power/ego-boost. Even though I disagree with Obama much more than with Romney from a policy perspective, I feel like Obama has a lot more empathy for the American people; and I think the general US public would agree. No way Romney would beat Obama in the general election.

Thanks for the intelligent comments, btw. :)

Dec 13, 2017
gnicholas:

Where to begin on Trump, let's see, while he did not personally declare bankruptcy, two of his hotels did, pushing him personally to the brink of bankruptcy. He clearly has no understanding of foreign policy, for example, he said he would just take Iraq's oil without in any way explaining how he would do this. How would he do it, nationalize the oil industry in Iraq? An act which he would not have the power to do. He talks imposing tariffs, which is blatantly anti-free trade, and attempts to cover himself by saying he's pro-free trade as long as it's quote "fair", without realizing that with true free trade one side might come out ahead, he comes off sounding like a very confused protectionist.

I disagree 110%. Trade with China is NOT free trade. The Chinese artificially deflate their currency by pegging it to the U.S. Dollar. Their environmental and safety standards are subpar at best. Their human rights record is abhorrent. They cut oil, trade and other commodities deals with nations that should otherwise be internationally isolated, such as North Korea and Iran. I'm a big supporter of free trade, but nations like China ought not be our primary trading partner. They are a corrupt, abusive dictatorship that persecutes people of faith, political opponents and other human rights advocates.

Dec 13, 2017

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Dec 13, 2017

Damn, she grilled him. Ballsy

Dec 13, 2017

Like I have mentioned before - I like Trumps straight, no bull, talk / rhetoric. He will make the debates lively and definitely more entertaining then the usual political bull answers that everyone has memorized and recites.

I question Trumps knowledge and understanding of certain topics. The answers he has given on Iraq, China, etc are absolutely insane. I would give him serious consideration if he actually runs and I can get a good grasp of his positions. As of right now, I wouldn't give him my vote. If it was down to Trump v Obama v Newt v Palin ... I would go with Trump. The other two guys are scumbags and Palin is well Palin. Basically everyone else on the GOP ticket would be getting my vote before Trump right now.

Dec 13, 2017

I like Donald Trump as a business man, but like she said he's going to F up the republican party by splitting the votes.......And when it comes to foreign policy it seems like he's going to be a disaster, judging by the interview.

You give me a gift? BAM Thank you note! You invite me somewhere? POW RSVP! You do me a favor? WHAM Favor returned! Do not test my politeness.

Dec 13, 2017

Trump is no less qualified than Obama. As far as the birther issue, I have a fcking idea...show us your birth certificate (not just a cert of live birth - short form) rather than spend $3mm+ trying to conceal the information.

While I do not think that Trump is well-versed on all of the hot button issues I do find his candor refreshing. You can all criticize him for being a self-promoter, which is ironic given the fact that many people on this board work or wish to work in an industry driven by self-promotion.

I would vote for anyone (Trump included) over Obama.

Dec 13, 2017

Whyyyyyy does Ron Paul have to be so old...

Dec 13, 2017
JeffSkilling:

Whyyyyyy does Ron Paul have to be so old...

He is who I want in office!!

You give me a gift? BAM Thank you note! You invite me somewhere? POW RSVP! You do me a favor? WHAM Favor returned! Do not test my politeness.

Dec 13, 2017
JeffSkilling:

Whyyyyyy does Ron Paul have to be so old...

What about Rand Paul? The man tears apart interviews with the liberal commentators, making them look very foolish (Letterman anyone?).

Dec 13, 2017
Nobama88:
JeffSkilling:

Whyyyyyy does Ron Paul have to be so old...

What about Rand Paul? The man tears apart interviews with the liberal commentators, making them look very foolish (Letterman anyone?).

Dude Rand Paul is a joke.

Dec 13, 2017
JeffSkilling:
Nobama88:
JeffSkilling:

Whyyyyyy does Ron Paul have to be so old...

What about Rand Paul? The man tears apart interviews with the liberal commentators, making them look very foolish (Letterman anyone?).

Dude Rand Paul is a joke.

Anddd why is that?

Dec 13, 2017
Nobama88:
JeffSkilling:

Whyyyyyy does Ron Paul have to be so old...

What about Rand Paul? The man tears apart interviews with the liberal commentators, making them look very foolish (Letterman anyone?).

Rand Paul is a randist fundamentalist libertarian nut job.

Bloomberg and Scarborough for the win. Both moderate Republicans who are not social conservatives that pander to the parties undereducated fundamentalist christian base.

Dec 13, 2017
awm55:
Nobama88:
JeffSkilling:

Whyyyyyy does Ron Paul have to be so old...

What about Rand Paul? The man tears apart interviews with the liberal commentators, making them look very foolish (Letterman anyone?).

Rand Paul is a randist fundamentalist libertarian nut job.

Bloomberg and Scarborough for the win. Both moderate Republicans who are not social conservatives that pander to the parties undereducated fundamentalist christian base.

Bloomberg is a RINO who would have no chance at winning. His crazy and nutty stances on gun control may be why...

Dec 13, 2017
txjustin:
awm55:
Nobama88:
JeffSkilling:

Whyyyyyy does Ron Paul have to be so old...

What about Rand Paul? The man tears apart interviews with the liberal commentators, making them look very foolish (Letterman anyone?).

Rand Paul is a randist fundamentalist libertarian nut job.

Bloomberg and Scarborough for the win. Both moderate Republicans who are not social conservatives that pander to the parties undereducated fundamentalist christian base.

Bloomberg is a RINO who would have no chance at winning. His crazy and nutty stances on gun control may be why...

Thank you for proving my point.

Dec 13, 2017
awm55:
Nobama88:
JeffSkilling:

Whyyyyyy does Ron Paul have to be so old...

What about Rand Paul? The man tears apart interviews with the liberal commentators, making them look very foolish (Letterman anyone?).

Rand Paul is a randist fundamentalist libertarian nut job.

Bloomberg and Scarborough for the win. Both moderate Republicans who are not social conservatives that pander to the parties undereducated fundamentalist christian base.

Did you just call someone a nut job?

Fucking classic.

"Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America."

Dec 13, 2017

i really don't want the donald to run for potus

Dec 13, 2017

^^^I really like Rand Paul, but same issue as his father, not very electable given the general media's portrayal of him/them. Sucks...

Dec 13, 2017

Seriously, Romney is the ONLY credible alternative to Obama, no one else has a legitimate shot. He has his flaws like everyone else but I can live with them.

Dec 13, 2017
SAC:

Seriously, Romney is the ONLY credible alternative to Obama, no one else has a legitimate shot. He has his flaws like everyone else but I can live with them.

Romney wouldn't beat Obama. He'd be like Kerry in '04; would be portrayed as a flip flopper and too removed from the common man. I don't think the Republican base goes out for Romney and I don't think the moderates go for Romney either.

Obama will be very, very, very tough to beat. The midterm elections don't mean jack; the Dems are always underrepresented in those because the Dem base usually doesn't vote in the midterm elections. Obama is much stronger than most pundits suppose, especially when you consider demographic trends only keep tilting in his favor and the fact that he is working with the Republicans makes him look good. I would vote for Obama over half of the Republican candidates, and I'm technically a Republican.

Dec 13, 2017
alexpasch:
SAC:

Seriously, Romney is the ONLY credible alternative to Obama, no one else has a legitimate shot. He has his flaws like everyone else but I can live with them.

Romney wouldn't beat Obama. He'd be like Kerry in '04; would be portrayed as a flip flopper and too removed from the common man. I don't think the Republican base goes out for Romney and I don't think the moderates go for Romney either.

Obama will be very, very, very tough to beat. The midterm elections don't mean jack; the Dems are always underrepresented in those because the Dem base usually doesn't vote in the midterm elections. Obama is much stronger than most pundits suppose, especially when you consider demographic trends only keep tilting in his favor and the fact that he is working with the Republicans makes him look good. I would vote for Obama over half of the Republican candidates, and I'm technically a Republican.

The Kerry comparison is accurate on some fronts, but I'm thinking that if unemployment is still shaky next year he could pull the upset based on his business background. I agree with you that Obama is the favorite hands down.

Dec 13, 2017

@alexpasch

Haven't almost all of the oilfield purchases in Iraq after the invasion been sold to foreign oil companies?
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948...

Dec 13, 2017
LIBOR:

@alexpasch

Haven't almost all of the oilfield purchases in Iraq after the invasion been sold to foreign oil companies?
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948...

Yes, it's all about political correctness for now. In times like these, we can't do it because the public support isn't there in the US (ie. all the idiots on this board saying "how would we take the oil?"...like you really can't conceive of how? you pump it, you pipe it to the shipping terminal, and put it on a tanker, and you don't pay the iraqis a royalty...wouldn't be the first time oil gets stolen from a country). Wait 10 years for when gas is $15/gallon; we'll be stealing that oil as fast as we can pump it out of there.

  • gnicholas
  •  Dec 13, 2017
alexpasch:
LIBOR:

@alexpasch

Haven't almost all of the oilfield purchases in Iraq after the invasion been sold to foreign oil companies?
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948...

Yes, it's all about political correctness for now. In times like these, we can't do it because the public support isn't there in the US (ie. all the idiots on this board saying "how would we take the oil?"...like you really can't conceive of how? you pump it, you pipe it to the shipping terminal, and put it on a tanker, and you don't pay the iraqis a royalty...wouldn't be the first time oil gets stolen from a country). Wait 10 years for when gas is $15/gallon; we'll be stealing that oil as fast as we can pump it out of there.

So you are saying it's reasonable for him to be able to expect to take oil from a sovereign nation with a private oil industry?

Dec 13, 2017
gnicholas:
alexpasch:
LIBOR:

@alexpasch

Haven't almost all of the oilfield purchases in Iraq after the invasion been sold to foreign oil companies?
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948...

Yes, it's all about political correctness for now. In times like these, we can't do it because the public support isn't there in the US (ie. all the idiots on this board saying "how would we take the oil?"...like you really can't conceive of how? you pump it, you pipe it to the shipping terminal, and put it on a tanker, and you don't pay the iraqis a royalty...wouldn't be the first time oil gets stolen from a country). Wait 10 years for when gas is $15/gallon; we'll be stealing that oil as fast as we can pump it out of there.

So you are saying it's reasonable for him to be able to expect to take oil from a sovereign nation with a private oil industry?

I think you are confusing "reasonable" with "nice" and "politically correct"...we can and we will, give it 10 years. It might make sense to have an ultra friendly arrangement with a puppet government (i.e. what we currently have with Saudi), or we might take it outright. But believe me, Iraq is a colony of the US; anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know how the world really works.

Dec 13, 2017
alexpasch:
LIBOR:

@alexpasch

Haven't almost all of the oilfield purchases in Iraq after the invasion been sold to foreign oil companies?
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948...

Yes, it's all about political correctness for now. In times like these, we can't do it because the public support isn't there in the US (ie. all the idiots on this board saying "how would we take the oil?"...like you really can't conceive of how? you pump it, you pipe it to the shipping terminal, and put it on a tanker, and you don't pay the iraqis a royalty...wouldn't be the first time oil gets stolen from a country). Wait 10 years for when gas is $15/gallon; we'll be stealing that oil as fast as we can pump it out of there.

Are you retarded? Sorry mate, that is not how the world works.

Dec 13, 2017
awm55:
alexpasch:
LIBOR:

@alexpasch

Haven't almost all of the oilfield purchases in Iraq after the invasion been sold to foreign oil companies?
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948...

Yes, it's all about political correctness for now. In times like these, we can't do it because the public support isn't there in the US (ie. all the idiots on this board saying "how would we take the oil?"...like you really can't conceive of how? you pump it, you pipe it to the shipping terminal, and put it on a tanker, and you don't pay the iraqis a royalty...wouldn't be the first time oil gets stolen from a country). Wait 10 years for when gas is $15/gallon; we'll be stealing that oil as fast as we can pump it out of there.

Are you retarded? Sorry mate, that is not how the world works.

You obviously know nothing of geopolitics, "realpolitik", or history for that matter. How many conflicts/invasions throughout history have been over natural resources? What is the most valuable natural resource today?

I mean, a war for oil? That's never happened before! Like, Pearl Harbor had absolutely nothing to do with the US cutting oil exports to Japan (nor the fact that Japan made a beeline for Indonesia right after that, because Indonesia has lots of oil). Nor the fact that Hitler was making the Baku oil fields his priority when invading Russia (i.e. hence the emphasis on the Southern part of Russia in 1942 - look up the invasion strategy).

The first Gulf War also had nothing to do with oil, of course, we just wanted to liberate the poor Kuwaitis, had nothing to do with their oil. I mean, that's why we always help the African nations that go to war with each other (or themselves) even when they have no resources (cough, Rwanda, cough). And when we do go to Africa, it also has nothing to do with oil, like Somalia, where we did intervene, even though it was also Clinton in office. Or how about Libya? That obviously has nothing to do with oil also. Notice how those pussy French who are all about peace and love were the ones leading the initial offensive in Libya. I mean, they import a lot of oil from Libya, so I don't understand why those peaceful French people want to go to war all of a sudden. And I mean, France had lots of oil contracts/business with Saddam, so obviously that played no role in their opposition to the US invasion of Iraq.

The oil market has changed significantly since WW2 (I mean, at the time of WW2 the US was the number 1 EXporter of oil for crying out loud). As oil becomes increasingly scarce and expensive, it will revert back to a much, much larger role in geopolitics (and you've started to see that in the past decade). We WILL take the Iraqi oil, just like how every energy starved superpower before it has sought to steal resources from weaker nations.

But no, I take it all back, you're right, the Iraq war is all about "freedom" and "WMDs". That's why we're also at war with North Korea, which has an even more deplorable regime than Saddam's and on top of that has nukes, not just some basic chemical weapons.

Dec 13, 2017

Great candid interview. It's clear Trump is a serious d-bag; having said that, he is right in saying that he hasn't been bankrupt himself. The comparison to Jobs and Gates isn't fair, they too would declare bankruptcy in a second if it benefited a takeover/acquisition. The interviewer is ballsy, but kind of a dumb bitch. I wouldn't vote for the guy, but we need someone with business experience and a pair of balls (man week!) in office. If only Mitt Romney didn't believe that his savior was an womanizing alcoholic miner...jeez...

Dec 13, 2017

I call it ballsy that he'll run as an independent without the GOP vote.

I'll wait till he puts his money where his mouth is, however.

Dec 13, 2017

he isnt as big of an embarrassment as Goldman Sachs henry paulson.

Dec 13, 2017

To anyone seriously defending Trump. Did you actually watch the video? Are you shitting me?

Also, I didn't know "major luxury brands" sold shitty monochrome ties in Macy's.

Dec 13, 2017

.....wow good find King just another reason why he needs to go do something with this life other than be on tv.

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee

WSO is not your personal search function.

Dec 13, 2017

can't believe he compares himself to Kravis or Icahn... i seriously question this guy's intelligence.

Dec 13, 2017
Smooth_Nico:

can't believe he compares himself to Kravis or Icahn... i seriously question this guy's intelligence.

BLASPHEMY

Dec 13, 2017

his daughter is hot though

Dec 13, 2017

Hmmm... Yes... He panders to the stupid right wing christian base then why does he support:

Legalize Mary Jane? Yes.
Let states decide same sex marriage? Yup
In favor of using the morning after pill? For Sure
Against the patriot act? Mhmmmm
Against US bases overseas? Yeahh
Complete overhaul of medicare / cade? Yess sir.
Would have voted for the Iraq War? Nopee

Oh I forgot, the Tea Party likes him so he has to be a wacko. Every one of those above goes against what the 'stupid right wing christian base' would support

Dec 13, 2017
Nobama88:

Hmmm... Yes... He panders to the stupid right wing christian base then why does he support:

Legalize Mary Jane? Yes.
Let states decide same sex marriage? Yup
In favor of using the morning after pill? For Sure
Against the patriot act? Mhmmmm
Against US bases overseas? Yeahh
Complete overhaul of medicare / cade? Yess sir.
Would have voted for the Iraq War? Nopee

Oh I forgot, the Tea Party likes him so he has to be a wacko. Every one of those above goes against what the 'stupid right wing christian base' would support

i wasn't referring to Trump, but basically every other potential republican presidential candidate. i just dislike Trump as a person but he is basically unelectable.

Dec 13, 2017

Michael Bloomberg is NOT a "moderate Republican". He was a lifelong Democrat who chose to run as a Republican because in NYC winning the Democratic nomination is almost like winning the general election--if you get the nomination and Giuliani isn't running then you are a slam dunk. So Bloomberg ran as a Republican where he faced virtually no real primary challenger and then he used his vast wealth to drown out his competitor in the general election.

Dec 13, 2017
Virginia Tech 4ever:

Michael Bloomberg is NOT a "moderate Republican". He was a lifelong Democrat who chose to run as a Republican because in NYC winning the Democratic nomination is almost like winning the general election--if you get the nomination and Giuliani isn't running then you are a slam dunk. So Bloomberg ran as a Republican where he faced virtually no real primary challenger and then he used his vast wealth to drown out his competitor in the general election.

Well he is a fiscal conservative, better?

Dec 13, 2017

AWM,

I was referring to your comment about Rand Paul. Not sure how he panders to the religious nutjobs. Really, the only stance socially is abortion; and he is still for the morning after pill which is a big no no in that world.

Dec 13, 2017
Nobama88:

AWM,

I was referring to your comment about Rand Paul. Not sure how he panders to the religious nutjobs. Really, the only stance socially is abortion; and he is still for the morning after pill which is a big no no in that world.

I would not consider Rand Paul a potential presidential candidate. Unfortunately no Republican candidate stands a chance unless they pander to the social conservative base, i