Why is GS TMT considered so great?

What makes it special versus other high-deal flow groups (Healthcare, etc) and say GS Sponsors? I can understand MS M&A since its the best M&A group, etc but why is GS TMT considered so great? Is it just great deal flow?

 

It appears that people are so concerned with PE exit opps 2 years from now, but to me it seems that you can't predict that kind of stuff anyway. These threads seem as useless as the "3.7 from a non-target, what are my chances?" threads.

I think if you choose a good group, such as Goldman TMT, the exit opps will depend more on who you meet (aka networking), your performance as an Analyst, and luck.

 

by GS TMT I mean the technology, media and telecommunications investment banking coverage group at Goldman, Sachs & Co. to clarify

specifically for NY and SF, and by investment banking i mean the division of Goldman, Sachs & Co. focusing on acquisitions, strategic transactions, divestitures, joint takeovers, proxy battles, spinoffs, spinouts, merger of equals, asset sales, debt issuances, IPOs, and secondary offerings.

 
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I have - everyone just says it is great exit ops into PE and considered the best. I was wondering WHY is it considered the best. If it is just dealflow, I think there are many groups with really good deal flow as well who dont get nearly GS TMT's attention.

 

GS TMT is generally said to be the "best" group on the street by those who insist on ranking the groups and banks. The exit opps are directly related to the prestige of a bank/group so since it is thought to be the best, it has great exit opps.

I'm not sure if this is how Goldman does it, but sometimes the TMT is split between offices, so media and telecom will be NY and the more "tech" stuff will be done in SF because of proximity to Silicon Valley.

No, TMT is not usually the "best" group at a bank. But best is subjective. Everyone seems to want to do TMT because it is "sexy"' so maybe in that regard yes. But at many banks the "best" group is the M&A group. Again, meaning more prestigious in this context.

Generally, NYC is the place to be for banking. However, in tech (and also healthcare), SF is the place to be.

Modeling/quantitative experience will be phenomena and extensive. But probably not any different than any other top flight group on the street.

Also, just FYI, that is probably the hardest group on the street to get into. Not to put you down or anything, but unless your engineering school is MIT, you will be extremely hard pressed to get into that group.

 

GS TMT for me is not a great groups

People AlWAYS use GS TMT to catapult themselves to something different ... whether its megafund PE or something else ... so there's loads of churn in that group

I guess its good if you're 100% sure u wanna do PE but if you wanna stay put and learn from ppl with a vested interest in the group ... I don't think its that fantastic

That said - its a great group for thsoe very same reasons if that's what you're looking for

 

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GS TMT is generally said to be the "best" group on the street by those who insist on ranking the groups and banks. The exit opps are directly related to the prestige of a bank/group so since it is thought to be the best, it has great exit opps.

I'm not sure if this is how Goldman does it, but sometimes the TMT is split between offices, so media and telecom will be NY and the more "tech" stuff will be done in SF because of proximity to Silicon Valley.

No, TMT is not usually the "best" group at a bank. But best is subjective. Everyone seems to want to do TMT because it is "sexy"' so maybe in that regard yes. But at many banks the "best" group is the M&A group. Again, meaning more prestigious in this context.

Generally, NYC is the place to be for banking. However, in tech (and also healthcare), SF is the place to be.

Modeling/quantitative experience will be phenomena and extensive. But probably not any different than any other top flight group on the street.

Also, just FYI, that is probably the hardest group on the street to get into. Not to put you down or anything, but unless your engineering school is MIT, you will be extremely hard pressed to get into that group.

Is it hard to get into? Yes, however, it is not impossible. You do not have to go to MIT to get into GS TMT. I know some kid from Baruch who got into GS TMT, and trust me, I was shocked when I found out.

 
I am a sophomore in an engineering school, who is trying to learn more about ibanking. I am specifically interested in GS TMT.

In other words, you know nothing about the banking industry but you've read enough WSO to be a prestige whore?

Forget about GS TMT and the difference between SF and New York. Read about the industry first before wasting your time with these questions.

 

Thanks for your response. So someone in TMT New York can't get exposure to tech banking then?

Where are the financial models built by the junior bankers? In NY or in SF? As I understand, SF is a satellite office for most banks so I thought that maybe the actual technical work is done in New York?

Secondly besides Goldman TMT what are some other solid tech groups? And where are they based - New York or SF?

 

inassessable - i understand why people like it - because of exits into PE. But WHY does it have such good exits to PE? if its just deal experience why dont groups with equally good deals like HC get the same glory?

 

Ohhhh so by TMT you mean tech, media and telecom? I thought you were saying that the OP has TMT (Too much time) because he/she is an obvious troll for posting this kind of question.

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Obviously a group with seriously good deal flow... they're advising on Yahoo! / Microsoft, and recently have done other high-profile deals like BEA / Oracle, Business Objects / SAP, Vivendi / Activision etc.

Saying it's intense is a massive understatement. Be prepared to not only drink from the firehose but to swim in a pool of water made from the firehose and then be forced to drink the pool.

Really really competitive to get in but good exit opportunities if you can do it.

At the same time, I know people from GS TMT who have gone on to do things other than work at Silver Lake or other big name PEs/HFs... people who have done startups, gone to VCs etc. so there are lots of varied people.

 
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rodneymullen:
and lose the attitude (sorry to be blunt)

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[quote=dosk17]Obviously a group with seriously good deal flow... they're advising on Yahoo! / Microsoft, and recently have done other high-profile deals like BEA / Oracle, Business Objects / SAP, Vivendi / Activision etc.

Saying it's intense is a massive understatement. Be prepared to not only drink from the firehose but to swim in a pool of water made from the firehose and then be forced to drink the pool.

Really really competitive to get in but good exit opportunities if you can do it.

At the same time, I know people from GS TMT who have gone on to do things other than work at Silver Lake or other big name PEs/HFs... people who have done startups, gone to VCs etc. so there are lots of varied people.

So what is it about this group that makes it so revered?

Is the dealflow so overwhelming/high profile that you're guaranteed to have a slew of quality/complicated/interesting deals under your belt?

MD's go to bat for you when it comes time to leave?

Something else?

What's the biggest differentiator/driver when it comes to quality analyst gigs?

 

its like the old Lehman / Barcap Nat Res team ... its reputed #1 on street in terms of comp, deal flow etc and you get to work with some big hitters and the market was hot so why not

Tech market is back again so ppl are flocking - fair-weather fans

 
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chubbybunny:
GS TMT group makes about 52.36% of GS revenue (down from 74.33% pre-2008). But as the economy improves, there will be more deal flow so expect that number to rise, albeit slowly.

Dude, did u actaully check the financial statement for this question?!

*hint sarcasm

 

In general, TMT sector division is nowhere near as simple as Tech in SF and M&T in NY and you won't truly understand it without speaking to someone in the group. A mega deal sourced out of SF that utilizes firm resources throughout different groups in different regions could easily end up with the model being run by an senior analyst in NY simply because of how long these processes usually take (meaning you'll see turnover in junior resources over the life of a deal), how involved a VP or associate is (and subsequently which region they are based in and who their favorite analysts are), involvement of bank executives, and so on.

I don't know anything specific to GS's group, but you should choose by where you would like to live and work first and foremost. Tech can be split up into different subsectors that may be covered by bankers in different offices: internet, digital media, payment services, etc. Hard to give a generalized answer.

 

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IBD as a whole doesn't even make that much for the firm. If you are talking about IBD specific, groups such as NR, Industrials and FIG actually brought in more revenue last year I believe. It does fluctuate though, regardless ton of deal flow in the group. If you're recruiting for it don't worry about how much revenue it brings in for the bank, let the MDs do that.

 

I don't think there are too many mega deals in Tech. A few yes, but in general tech deals tend to be small. I am pretty sure the GS SF guys model and execute their own deals rather than just pass them on to the NY analysts. Deals like FB IPO, acquisition of Skype by Microsoft, recent acquisition of Nokia Mobile by Microsoft were all out of SF. Sure there is a fair amount of cross location resources that get leveraged, but it doesn't mean that GS SF is a satellite office. In fact they actually have a larger team for TMT in SF than in NY, with more junior analysts on the roster. Tech dealflow is pretty much 100% controlled from SF I think.

West coast bankers feel free to correct me.

 

Possibly, but my response wasn't specific to GS. The firm I summered at some tech subsector coverage out of NY and other subsectors out of SF.

For the off chance that this guy actually gets an offer from GS and is placed in TMT, then by all means, disregard my post and please ask someone actually in the group. Bottom line is that even if you're covering tech, you're still working in finance at the end of the day, and unless you're bent on working in tech PE or VC (in which case, the obvious choice is SF), then pick your office based on where you actually want to live and work.

 

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I'm 90% positive tehir tech team is involved in tech c ompanies

you're telling me people like JA Solar, Trina Solar, LDK are covered by their nat res team? ur kidding urself

Why is that hard to believe?

 

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