Will Exxon or Apple survive longer?
Will apple or exxon survive longer and why? Which will prove to be the better stock investment down the road in 30, 50 ..100 years?
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I would go with Apple because they are a tech company. While Exxon Mobil is a great company, their products may become obsolete at some point.
Their products will not become obsolete. In addition to various fuel products, their products help create plastic and chemicals.
im not an expert in this, but aren't those products more a way to squeeze revenue out of waste? I'd be curious to know how much of their revenue and expenses come from the plastics side. and if they fully converted to plastics, how would they perform in a new competitive landscape.
conversely, will apple be able to survive with Google and Amazon and Microsoft? I get the feeling apple may be better on the hardware side than these 3, but is probably severally behind them in terms of saas.
Thank you someone said it.
People will always need energy. In the 1950s Exxon was pivoting towards mining and fertilizers, look at where they are today. People always need energy, in whatever form. Exxon's growth depends on the world's growth.
May 20, 2005 $AAPL was at only 5.36 $US Only 15 years later it is 319.23 $US (and much more as of today).
It is very difficult to say what will happen over such a long time. AAPL was also almost at the end when Steve picked up the pieces.
What's the last really innovative thing that Apple has done? They seem to be coasting on the products that they developed under Jobs. Even the Apple Watch was already in the pipeline before he died.
...what's the last innovative thing that Exxon has done?
...what's the last innovative thing that Exxon has done that Saudi Aramco can't do better?
I haven't looked into Exxon Mobil's R&D specifically, but there's been a huge amount of technological progress in the oil industry in recent years. Most people outside the industry don't fully appreciate it since it doesn't result in glitzy consumer products.
maybe AirPods? maybe the watch? maybe, on a technical level, ARM Macs? Allegedly they're developing AR Glasses and AR/VR headsets, but there has been essentially no sign of that. It may take years before they unveil it. They're pretty much just refining existing tech at this point.
I really wish they had a Steve Jobs who could guide them along
ExxonMobil Research & Engineering Company is really the last research arm of the majors. They invest heavily into catalysts and processes to reduce operating costs and energies, as well as reducing the need for dangerous or poisonous chemicals used in the processing. I worked a lot in energy in my earlier years, and this kind of stuff was never sexy enough to wow investors and is why the other majors have drifted away from these big research projects.
The liberal Jet set class loves to $hit all over energy companies, but doesn't think twice about getting on a plane or using Apple or tech products (made in with slave labor) that suck energy and are made from expensive and environmentally damaging mining projects.
There are 500 year old Japanese sake companies. Not sure innovation is the standard for longevity here.
In fact, if you're in an industry that relies on innovation that could be a quicker death as new entrants or competitors innovate quicker.
Just because their innovation isn't on the front page of the Times doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It is 100% the air pod. You do realize that the air-pod division of Apple if it broke off would be considered a Fortune 500 company that generates $8 billion a year in revenue.
Exxon is oil and gas. That will always exist. You might think oil and gas is getting replaced. But then exxon will pivot to renewables, which they are ealready doing!
Apple will be taken over by Huawei and Microsoft or another Steve Jobs type creator. Bezos could buy apple and tehn destroy it.
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hot take - AAPL has $1tn+ market cap and $200bn cash on hand. XOM market cap $184bn right now....AAPL buys out all XOM equity with cash and limited equity without needing to diluting themselves over 5%.
there. now AAPL survives longer than XOM.
this is a silly question because sure maybe and E&P supermajor won’t liquidate but certainly can run the risk of going through a couple chapter 11s in a 200 year timespan. less so with a tech company with literally $200bn just sitting there. yes tech is unpredictable which is a double edged sword but when tech works, you can just buy whatever fucking boring business you want and expand into random fields. go buy a large life insurance company. those fucking last forever. no governments gonna let a giant life insurer collapse and leave mommy and daddy without their term life policies.
100 years is insane ... thats too long of a time period
not very informed about tech so I wont comment on Apple. Disaster can strike any company in a 100 year period no matter how good they seem at a certain moment in time. Assuming no untoward disaster strikes and things continue the way they are ExxonMobil will still be around 100 years from now. As long as Oil is around EM is around. As long as plastics are around EM is around. As long as chemicals are around EM is around. The thing is renewables are really very far from replacing traditional oil & gas
Yes O&G is not the once growing industry it was and data is the most valuable commodity currently as compared to oil. But EM will survive this transition with the assumption that they will be willing to pivot when necessary. Furthermore I don't think it makes sense to compare companies in completely different fields. Tech is different from Energy. Apple can't do what EM is doing in the energy space and vice versa.
Also as mentioned above a 100 year time horizon is very long when things can change within a span of 10 years.
100 years from now there will be way more innovate companies than the tech companies we know today. Exon will actually gain market share as other o&g companies bleed and file for chapter 11, undoubtedly they will be just fine in the medium - long term despite the current price of oil. Unless the world massively shifts to renewable or nuclear energy I don't see how we wouldn't need exon.
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