WSO Elite Modeling Package

  • 6 courses to mastery: Excel, Financial Statement, LBO, M&A, Valuation and DCF
  • Elite instructors from top BB investment banks and private equity megafunds
  • Includes Company DB + Video Library Access (1 year)

Comments (103)

Jan 3, 2019 - 7:36pm

What about gray?

Quant (ˈkwänt) n: An expert, someone who knows more and more about less and less until they know everything about nothing.

Learn More

300+ video lessons across 6 modeling courses taught by elite practitioners at the top investment banks and private equity funds -- Excel Modeling -- Financial Statement Modeling -- M&A Modeling -- LBO Modeling -- DCF and Valuation Modeling -- ALL INCLUDED + 2 Huge Bonuses.

Learn more
Jan 4, 2019 - 6:35am

by thick tie knots do you mean double windsor? I can't imagine going for 4-in-hand.. its so unaesthetic!

made new unrelated account - dont reply or message as i never use it. 

Jan 4, 2019 - 12:53pm

Depends on the tie: my Hermès/Ferragammo silk ties can take a double Windsor without bulking up, but I'd never try one with something made of a heavier fabric or with a bulky liner.

  • 2
Oct 3, 2019 - 6:38am

That's the charm of the four in hand. It's rakishly askew.

Jan 13, 2019 - 3:11am

What about black blazers paired with a black pencil skirt or black blazers alone paired with dresses of varying colors for women? I see most male bankers at campus recruiting events wearing the navy suits, but it's really common for the women to be wearing black blazers and/or black skirts.

Jan 2, 2019 - 11:57am

Damn, I have 2 pairs of the same brown Ferragamo loafers. They are the only ones wide enough for my feet. sad

  • 1
Jan 2, 2019 - 3:39pm

I rock brown sometimes, mostly with my lightest suits when it's warmer, the no brown in town thing doesn't really apply anymore unless you're suuuuuuper old school. I can see how in the south it doesn't really matter when you've got RE and big law hardos wearing seersucker. a tailored suit with tasteful brown shoes doesn't look out of place. in other climates where it's usually cloudy, I doubt you'll see too many bourbon colored wingtips in canary wharf

Jan 9, 2019 - 2:15am

It took me a while to jump into browns for work, but working in Europe, you get quite dashing examples of fashionable and professional combination of neat (mostly plain and uni) suits and brown shoes, mostly from Italians/Spanish. Nowadays, i mostly go for brown, gray/blue uni suit, white/blue shirt, no tie, if the setting is not too formal. Caveat,, one needs to be mindful of the situation (meetings with certain investors/clients, regulators) and dress accordingly, but this applies to most situations in life and is not news.

Most Helpful
Jan 2, 2019 - 2:01pm
  1. patagonia vests (sorry finmeme accts). as a fratboy from the south, the popularity of these surprised me a great deal. I used to only see these at oyster roasts and hunting/conservation fundraisers, usually with a flannel or brooks brothers (the other BB) underneath

  2. aggressive undercuts (super short on side, long on top, likely with enough pomade to give a katrina waterfowl PTSD)

  3. highwater pants

  4. talking about your loafers. I love the classic bit loafer and there's nothing wrong with a plain black pair, but when you start calling them DEAL SLEDS in a non-ironic way, I know you've likely never closed anything and are trying way too hard to fit in.

Jan 3, 2019 - 6:44pm

Seconded on the Patagonia vests. I don't get the ubiquity of these things. Everyone in my office got some free company swag at Thanksgiving, one item was a Patagonia vest - it is a piece of shit that ppl pay over $100 for.

I come from down in the valley, where mister when you're young, they bring you up to do like your daddy done

  • 6
Jan 4, 2019 - 5:07pm

Seconded on the Patagonia vests. I don't get the ubiquity of these things. Everyone in my office got some free company swag at Thanksgiving, one item was a Patagonia vest - it is a piece of shit that ppl pay over $100 for.

Third the patagonia vests, they're f*cking everywhere. When did this even become a thing?

Get busy living
  • 3
Jan 4, 2019 - 11:20am
1. patagonia vests (sorry finmeme accts). as a fratboy from the south, the popularity of these surprised me a great deal. I used to only see these at oyster roasts and hunting/conservation fundraisers, usually with a flannel or brooks brothers (the other BB) underneath

Fratagonia vests are pretty standard in southern cities these days too

Commercial Real Estate Developer

  • 1
Jan 4, 2019 - 12:56pm

How about blue shirt/white cutaway collar? ;-)

Annual report photo of Citigroup Asia CEO Francisco Aristeguieta

(more info from what I learned from annual report photos here )

  • 2
Jan 4, 2019 - 5:06pm

These only work if it's very light blue and the tie is mellow, and it's done when NOT a busy time. Kind of a playful throwback to add some flavor. But that's it. This can't ever be taken seriously again. And for the love of god spread collar only but NOT the aggressive super cutaway.

The loud dark blue / brilliant white, with obnoxious power tool tie and point collar....yeah that look is DEAD. Right up there with peak lapel.

Get busy living
  • 1
Jan 3, 2019 - 8:29pm

I don't like the sneakers-with-work-clothes thing in the morning. I get it, you want to walk to work comfortably. But you're supposedly smart, so find a way to do it without looking like a clown. Plenty of cheap rubber-sole dress shoes that will be comfortable and look normal.

Jan 10, 2019 - 11:58pm

I would disagree - if you have a nice pair of $400+ shoes properly shined, they can quickly be scuffed and dirtied by trekking through the rain/snow/stepped on in the subway, which is all common in NYC and can be prevented by wearing a nice pair of tennis to work.

Jan 4, 2019 - 11:51am

I feel like statement socks are ok for junior employees, analysts and maybe 1st-year associates. If you're reaching senior associate/VP, you look like a goofball wearing them. It reminds your superiors that you're still a little kid barely out of college.

Jan 4, 2019 - 1:28pm

They always look tacky, and the people that wear them are usually really lame and trying to come across as cool.

Quant (ˈkwänt) n: An expert, someone who knows more and more about less and less until they know everything about nothing.

  • 2
Jan 4, 2019 - 11:21am

People who don't match the color of their belt with shoes. Saw a guy in the office with black shoes and a light brown belt. It was like a sunlight from far away. Seriously?

That's not "finance fashion" that's "not knowing fashion at all"

Commercial Real Estate Developer

  • 12
Jan 5, 2019 - 1:48am

The lack of jeans and sweatshirts.

I love dressing up in a suit but maybe only 5 or 6 times a year not every-single-day.

While I understand it is "corporate culture" to wear a suit in high finance I think it is ridiculous. Only the people who are talking to clients should be in suits. The monkeys in the office should be allowed to wear jeans and sweatshirts.

I understand I will get a bunch of monkey shit from people who have been brainwashed into believing they are important because they wear a suit. But so be it.

Jan 5, 2019 - 12:24pm

In my opinion, suits and formal wear in general help to enforce a certain culture and level of professionalism at work whether you're seeing clients or not.

By your same logic, why not take it a step further with sweatpants and pajamas to the office. Whatever is comfortable right?

Also, just as a side note. I've worn suits long enough that I feel just as comfortable in them as anything else. It grows on you after a while and doesn't feel stiff and formal anymore.

May 27, 2019 - 5:53am

your opinion is really good as well but I suggest you check summer seasonal fashion at a ustradeent site there is very classy apparel on a very discounted price.
Jan 7, 2019 - 3:16pm

I think it's less of a brainwashing and more of a culture and psychology. John T Molloy (look him up) writes a column on this and specifically addresses business casual versus sloppy dress like hoodies and ripped jeans (google dress for success column).

if I can quickly summarize, if you want to be taken seriously (by clients, bosses, colleagues), you need to take yourself seriously, and that means your appearance. maybe for you that means wearing jeans and a t shirt that's a nice fabric, not too tight, not too loose, and def not wrinkled. maybe that means a suit, but whatever it means, it means you have to be neat.

many of my clients work at large tech companies and I find myself going to their offices on occasion. even the ones who wear untucked shirts, jeans, or even more casual are always dressed neatly.

until our psychology changes, I doubt I'm convincing someone to entrust me with $10mm if I've got a 3 day beard and jeans on.

Jan 7, 2019 - 1:02pm

Belts anything. Makes $180,000 a year, can't afford to get pants tailored. Get that shit done, and stick to your workouts.

Suspenders get a pass though, for aesthetics only.

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - Time and Patience" (Leo Tolstoy)
  • 4
  • 8
Jan 10, 2019 - 7:59pm

What's interesting to me is how there is a direct relationship between the "appropriateness" of a given article of clothing and the degree to which that piece of clothing restricts and binds the wearer.

The most "appropriate" or professional ensemble is a wool suit (flat front, slim fit pants of course) with a cotton shirt, tie, and sleek, Italian / English dress shoes. The shirt and suit restrict movement of the shoulders and chest, the tight pants make deep, diaphragmatic breathing more difficult and compress the genitals, the tie applies a very slight blood choke to the neck, and the shoes bind the feet and make any movement other than standing or sitting more difficult.

Clothing becomes less appropriate and more casual as you ease the restrictions and bindings. Add some stretch to the shirt or suit and your ensemble is no longer appropriate for certain business meetings. Remove the suit jacket and tie and you get "business casual". Put on shoes you can move in and comfortable pants and you're now "casual," and probably not allowed into the office.

Funny how it works that way.

  • 10
  • 1
Jan 14, 2019 - 7:05am

I think most people wear naked socks with loafers. Hopefully nobody is running around without socks.

  • 1
Jan 15, 2019 - 6:03pm

That patagucci Intern / Analyst look.

Bonus points if:
- Dull and worn loafers
- Baggy chinos
- Sloppy shirt that needs ironing

I'm also a firm believer that if you're young and gonna use bit-loafers in a business setting, at least go for some with a sleeker last. Those rounded and timeless 1953 Gucci loafers look decent on 60-year old dudes, but not on guy in their 20's in a office uniform.

Go for Gucci Jordaan, Ferragamo Benford, or similar styled loafers.

Jan 18, 2019 - 5:55am

Pretty much everything.

I train for crossfit, and whenever I beef up my workout for like 2 weeks, none of my shirts, pants or even jacket would fit.

Hate dress shoes as well especially those with hard heels. How can you run in those whenever you have to?

Feel my rigid attire is a big productivity killer.

Jan 18, 2019 - 3:04pm

Never fails that in virtually every year's of summer interns/associates/analysts, you'll spot someone or several someones who've kept the design maker label on their suit sleeve and/or hasn't freed the jacket's back vent.

Also often see younger guys forgetting to free the vent on the back of their car coats/pea coats, etc., come fall and winter.

Jan 21, 2019 - 9:11am

Let them know, they are just children!

  • 2
Apr 26, 2019 - 5:02am

Possimus quis sed quia dolores vitae delectus quis maiores. Laudantium exercitationem laborum quia necessitatibus asperiores quasi vitae blanditiis. Sunt nobis impedit omnis rem. Laboriosam aliquam et eos. Doloremque sint harum officia suscipit possimus velit. Quam quod cumque et a. Aperiam modi totam ut officiis molestias molestiae minima.

Nemo reprehenderit voluptatem ea iusto. Aperiam ad totam consequatur velit. Ipsum commodi nihil tenetur perspiciatis. Voluptas ullam neque soluta fuga et repellendus laborum.
May 9, 2019 - 3:26pm

Voluptatum quidem aut pariatur reprehenderit sit aut. Quo voluptatum odit quas minus culpa. Quibusdam facere nostrum fugiat magnam alias dolorem voluptatem. Culpa rerum vel et veniam quia. Libero quia iure quo tenetur id veniam eaque. Quas id quia nihil exercitationem est laboriosam alias.

Voluptas blanditiis et ipsam molestias impedit ipsum. Officiis quas inventore quod ea dolorem. Esse accusantium aut laboriosam quisquam hic aliquid accusantium. Voluptatem sunt ipsam ut aspernatur molestiae et. Aut atque a explicabo.

Ut impedit sed et recusandae nostrum. Ab quos itaque repellendus officia provident autem. Mollitia quidem dolor fugit est id. Animi excepturi impedit dignissimos nobis ut nostrum. Magni voluptatem placeat odio possimus culpa facere at. Eum modi rerum id molestiae aut optio iure.

Sint veritatis voluptatibus id officiis magnam non commodi doloribus. A eos veritatis animi odit libero nihil esse. Nihil aut incidunt explicabo facilis praesentium nam distinctio reprehenderit. Libero vel sed repudiandae voluptas atque qui ea. Est consequatur dolor et debitis. Sed suscipit odit qui corporis blanditiis magni quasi.

May 14, 2019 - 3:09pm

Sint ut explicabo esse et. Ullam quia doloremque voluptate voluptas est.

Reprehenderit inventore sapiente eaque nihil beatae fuga qui. Inventore corporis aut et hic ipsa maxime ut consectetur. Illo est sunt et natus atque esse ut.

Asperiores quia quo aspernatur doloremque. Ut cumque dolorem velit quam. Odio suscipit doloremque at sed. Nobis sit sit accusamus nam dolorem porro.

Culpa non labore nemo delectus nesciunt consequatur. Reprehenderit ut voluptate quidem dolores voluptatibus sit modi. Est ipsa illo accusamus reiciendis quidem.

My soul is highly leveraged
May 28, 2019 - 6:03pm

Dicta mollitia consectetur est id. Recusandae consequatur saepe rem labore animi officiis suscipit consectetur. Error qui sed ipsa accusamus dolorum rerum aut. Non rerum neque enim.

Maiores inventore molestiae quisquam commodi ex vero. Dicta error omnis et voluptatem. Sequi vel sunt optio vel labore deleniti sit in. Ducimus ducimus est reiciendis.

Aut dolores perferendis qui. Dolor labore veritatis quos expedita reprehenderit aperiam. Ipsum beatae qui velit aliquam voluptas.

Facilis ut rem consectetur provident quos veniam ut placeat. Qui rerum qui quis.

Jun 4, 2019 - 11:35pm

Sed veniam officiis debitis sapiente deleniti dolores id aut. Rerum consequatur omnis et praesentium omnis reprehenderit. Eaque iusto voluptates rem cum autem rerum. Ratione in autem dolores accusantium aut voluptatem iste soluta.

Omnis odio est omnis magnam officiis quia. Cumque nobis recusandae rerum consequuntur enim ut aliquam. Aliquam quae asperiores id nisi quibusdam ab. Rerum sed soluta ut est consequuntur. Incidunt consequuntur quia adipisci.

Et animi expedita ullam voluptatem maxime eaque eveniet sed. Dolorem dolores quo iste aut. Adipisci et totam eum quae.

My soul is highly leveraged
Start Discussion

Popular Content See all

Oncycle is a fucking joke
+187PEby Analyst 2 in IB - Cov
Dating smart girls
+139OFFby Analyst 2 in Consulting
How often do you get "matches" on apps?
+134OFFby Associate 1 in AM - Other
I want to quit already…
+106IBby Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
Have you ever sued your employer?
+95PEby Principal in PE - Other
The Qualifications of an EB
+83IBby Summer Associate in IB-M&A

Total Avg Compensation

September 2021 Investment Banking

  • Director/MD (10) $853
  • Vice President (38) $367
  • Associates (219) $232
  • 2nd Year Analyst (133) $153
  • 3rd+ Year Analyst (30) $147
  • Intern/Summer Associate (103) $143
  • 1st Year Analyst (483) $135
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (376) $82