Should I include my start-up on my resume?
Hey WSO,
In 2008, I worked on a tiny self-owned business. I worked with 3 other people as IT consultants for a handful of business clients in NYC, all of which were engineering firms. The business was an S-corp and only operated for 1.5 years (I got my first internship in finance and decided to forget about IT). It DID generate considerable profit relative to the time investment (sub-$100K, however).
I've had this on my resume during recruiting season under a "Leadership & Startup Experience" section, and interviewers always ask about it and find it pretty interesting. However, I now have another internship doing equities research, and am wondering if I should take out the business to make space for this, or find a way to keep them both on.
Should I present only my 3 internships in finance, and present a "straight path" trajectory for my career? Or should I keep the small business on it and risk getting a "not-finance oriented enough" sentiment from hiring managers?
I have an internship in management consulting, so even my 3 finance internships aren't completely relevant to IBD (the other two are equity research and Asset Management).
I would keep it on in a small way that doesn't inhibit you from displaying your other internships, especially if you've gotten positive feedback about it in past interviews. Shows initiative and is an interesting talking point if you spin it the right way.
Startup-on-resume question (Originally Posted: 04/13/2015)
If you were actively involved in launching a company but then served more so in an advisoy/LP format after a couple years and took another role, how would you go about representing that youre still involved in the co and also make sure you dont give off the impression that the company folded? keep the date going 'til current'? Friends of mine said they thought the company died when they saw that I put an end date to it
Also interested...
I'd see if there's an acceptable format that you can put roles and dates on your functions there and leave the advisory/board type of position as -current. For example:
Founder/CxO, Jan 12-Jan 14 Advisory/Board (whatever) Jan 14-current
Maybe a reversed order with the most current on top though. You could also do it as two separate entries but I think that's goofy looking on a resume and better on LinkedIn.
In regards to the second point I put a line at the bottom of the section, detailing the current status of the company, to emphasise it's still doing well.
I'd like to comment on this and just ask that however you choose to showcase the startup experience on your resume you be very careful. I recently switched roles and had a startup on my resume that one of my lifelong friends cofounded. In my interviews I was very clear that my role in the startup was limited to minor consulting (brainstorming) and business development (promoting/selling the brand and introducing potential partners). However, after the interview process HR (at BB) dove very deep into my startup experience and grilled me on the details, asked for documentation and called the founders etc. Obviously I had discussed with my friend and his cofounding partner that I had plans to put their startup on my resume prior to doing so. We discussed what I would be putting in the detail as far as experience working for them, so when HR at my new firm called them I checked out. Make sure your previous employer/startup knows you will be putting them on your resume. Also make sure you are specific about whether or not you were paid, worked for free as a consultant, or have an equity stake because they will dive into it. I would hate to see someone lose an offer because they over "fluffed" their experience at their frat bro's startup and didn't check out when it came time for the background screening. Again, just wanted to share so that anyone reading can avoid the stress this caused me in my onboarding.
I sold one of mine and merged the other into an existing company, subsequently collecting a piece of future revenue generated from my brand. If the company is still running but you aren't really involved and didn't sell it, it looks more like you got fired/forced out than it went out of business. If you are still actively consulting for them, why is this even a question?
I took advantage of the opportunity because it was unique and hard to turn down and was able to maneuver back into the post MBA role I had wanted without doing an MBA given my prior. I'm an equity partner but didn't have enough equity nor fluent in the language where the business was based to make it worthwhile - more so to work with a passion of mine in an emerging economy .
Yes the background check panned out and I had to divulge equity stake etc
Should I mention my startup in investment banking resume ? (Originally Posted: 11/06/2012)
Should I mention my startup in investment banking resume ? Does it look bad when I apply for a regular job?
If you have a start up why are you trying to get into investment banking? If you landed a job in IB, you would have literally no time for your company.
Has your company even seen a dollar in revenue? If not, then it definitely isn't worth mentioning.
If you can spin it towards why having a start up has led you towards investment banking, then put it on there. Otherwise, it will work against you.
What? My entrepreneur friends in college had the easiest time of anyone getting finance jobs. One of them pursued a five person startup for a year after graduating, sold it, and started as an associate at a middle market bank. All you do as a young entrepreneur is pitching and fundraising for fifteen hours a day; unless your company is a Norwegian DJ blog, I don't see how it would work against you.
Obviously there are a variety of different stages your startup could be in. My rule of thumb is that if it has seen a dime of funding or revenue, you can put it on. Else do not put it on.
Would you put a start-up on a resume when applying for a corporate job? (Originally Posted: 10/13/2014)
I'm a freshman starting to polish up a professional resume, so apologize in advance if this is a stupid question
Put everything that is relevant. As a freshman, I'm thinking you have close to zero experience. I would definitely put it on there, and make sure to spin the experience to relate to the job you are applying for.
I'd much rather see an employment gap or lack of initiative from my prospective candidates. Really?
Including a start-up into resume (Originally Posted: 06/22/2012)
Hi all
I will be entering my junior year after summer and am also currently in the midst of starting up a cafe which will open this August. Currently, I am a summer analyst at a MM IB and would like to seek an IB internship next year at elite boutiques/BBs. How should I include my experience with this start-up into my resume? Putting "Founder" as a title seems a little odd to me.
Would be great if anyone could advice on this. Thanks in advance!
Also interested.
Nothing at all wrong with putting 'Founder' and I would definitely include it, even if it's not wildly successful (as long as you can show what you've learnt from the experience!).
If you're able to convey what you learned in this experience and how it's relevant to banking than absolutely put it down.
agreed...i have one on mine
How beneficial is Start up experience on a resume? (Originally Posted: 10/15/2012)
Hi, I currently a co-founder in a early stage marketing start up with a friend of mine. I was wondering how good it would look on my resume for getting a SA internship next summer and how should I spin it if I get asked about it at a potential interview since its a marketing start up. Oh, I'm in charge of getting clients and social networking aspects of the company, basically getting our name out, not exactly finance related. Thanks ahead of time for any advice and critique.
As long as you don't come off like the marketing version of Lumina Investments LLC (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/worlds-most-oblivious-hedge-fund.h…), it's a great way to show that you mean business. Spin it appropriately - it doesn't make you a master of the universe in any sense, and definitely don't take yourself too (or even very) seriously. It will draw attention to your profile if you present it the right way.
Some tips on that - don't call yourself CEO, CMO, Managing Director, or any bullshit like that. If you're a co-founder, that's a fine title to put on your resume. Also, you need to make it as legitimate as possible - quantify everything you do in order to show that you actually did work.
Good luck.
Startup on Resume? (Originally Posted: 10/31/2012)
Hey monkeys
I'm CFO and a cofounder of a tech startup which i started a year ago.
As I'm currently a junior (Semi target) I'll be applying to IB internships
As interviews will be coming up, I'm worrying how do i talk about my startup during an interview?
Any ideas?
'So it says here you are CFO and Cofounder of so and so..'
Then comes the part where you talk about it.
doesnt really matter what you talk about, just be logical. i.e. this is where the idea came from, here is how we thought about the opportunity, maybe talk about some challenges along the way, and then talk about where it is today. pretty straightforward, you should have a 3 min elevator pitch.
i think it would be odd to see that on a resume. if that project becomes your full-time job when you're on vacation, convincing an interviewer that you'd be cool just forgetting about it for the summer could be a bit of a challenge. i might list it as a side project/hobby/interest but not as a company.
^
This, I worked in a startup, but excluded it from my resume, I felt like it was more of a side project. Besides I had better, and more important work experience
Rejected for being too entrepreneurial? (Originally Posted: 05/18/2011)
Just got off the phone with HR at a bigger company, made it through most of the rounds of interview, and explained that the reason they rejected me was that I was too entrepreneurial and wouldn't fit in the hierarchical structure.
Are there any larger companies out there that I would be suited to? Or am I destined for a smaller company. :(
T
What a fantastic compliment. That company might have just saved your life.
Go do something entrepreneurial where you'll wake up with a fire in your belly every morning. You're obviously not suited to the drudgery of a cube farm. That's something you should celebrate.
+1, spoken like a true father figure
Yea, Start your own thing!
Interested to hear - what's your background entrepreneurially? The only reason I ask is that I had significant entrepreneurial experience on my resume coming out of college, and almost every firm I interviewed with said it was my strongest selling point.
I agree with Eddie. Go an do something entrepreneurial. I hated the risk averseness that was rampant at the BB I interned at.
I would never trust someone from HR, especially at a large company.
There's some chance she may say things like that somewhat often.
Yes that happens, I've seen it before, more than entrepreneurials i'd say rebelious. That means that you are likely to be a freethinker and extremely smart.
Entrepreneurial experience vs. Work experience on Resume (Originally Posted: 03/03/2009)
When is right to put entrepreneurial experience on your resume? I was just sifting through the posts in the "dumbest thing seen on a resume" and I constantly see posters making fun of applicants putting founder and CEO. Whats wrong with doing so?
I have just started a peer to peer internet business which I have raised seed capital, managed development and etc. However, no revenues yet. Should I put this on my resume?
What do consulting and ibanking firms think of applicants with entrepreneurial experience rather than traditional work experience?
I recently interviewed with Credit Suisse S&T and I brought up how I've been selling stuff on Ebay for years. The trader took an interest and I ended up talking about it for half my interview. I ended up making it to the final round, so it must have not hurt. Although, I wouldn't put it on my resume I do encourage to bring up your entrepreneurial ability in the interview.
BUMP
Resume and Entrepreneurship Experience: Advice needed! (Originally Posted: 02/08/2010)
Just wondering how I would go about explaining entrepreneurship experience on my resume, if I should at all.
My job, that I have been at for almost 8 years, has involved e-commerce consulting and managing over the past 3 years. I have ONLY highlighted this experience on my resume from this position.
The info from my resume can be found here: Resume Excerpt
Recently, I have started my own e-commerce business on the side to utilize some of what I learned working. Just started this 1 week ago and have realized way more revenue than I expected. My projections are annual revenue of $50-$80k in the first year if I continue.
How would I be able to add this into my interests or activities??? Thanks for the advice.
Anything?
I think you can go ahead and put this under either work experience or activities, depending on how big a part of your life it is. If you are considering this more of your job then definitely under work experience. Either way if you have a business name, just list it, then president and founder, then typical bullet points.
Entrepreneurial Experience in resume - First year analyst at boutique (Originally Posted: 05/23/2011)
Going to cross post this into the IB forum as well. I'm currently a first year analyst at a boutique IB - been thinking about hopping to a MM IB or MM PE (easier said than done, I know). I went to a top 20 undergrad, and have always been told to keep personal ventures out of your resume, it'll make employers uncertain of your commitment to their firm. My company does 7-figures top line, and we are funded by a few investors as well. I've been thinking that I should put this on my resume but haven't yet for the reason mentioned above. Prior to IB, I worked in Accounting at an F500 for 3 years, so that has been my other major section on my resume. Should I reduce that and put my personal venture on there along with my current IB stint? Is something like that a favorable aspect for a candidate? Thanks in advance
I'm not sure if its something to necessarily reveal in the interview process, but I think once you get the offer, you will definitely need to disclose it. There are other reasons why financial firms would need to know if you are a C-level exec at another company aside from time commitment issues - you could pose a conflict to them on a regulatory level, depending on your position at the firm and what you'd be doing.
Actually thinking about it some more, maybe you should tell them during the interviews or let the recruiter know.
Translating Entrepreneurship Experience to Resume (Originally Posted: 09/04/2013)
I have just started college (non target) this semester for accounting with a minor in physics. My senior year of high school I started and operated a concert promotion investment company up until the end of 2012. Basically I would invest in other successful concert promoters events, arrange sponsorship deals, and provide industry marketing resources at a cheaper price than a individual promotion company could get them for. I am currently in the process of trying to make a transition into the investment world hence my enrollment into college. I want to try and obtain a internship in any investment bank, hedge fund, private equity firm, hedge fund, or whatever I can get my foot in. I have always followed the different markets for as far as I could remember.
My question is how can I best translate my entrepreneurship skills and strong interest of the markets onto my resume, or is that even a good idea to list in the first place? What other skills should I be trying to develop to improve my chances of landing a internship? Job/intern hunting is definitely not my strong suit.
Just list it as it is, formulate it in a way that it shows that you're familiar with how finance people talk etc. and you should be good. I think with that entrepreneurial touch, you should be a good fit for an internship with a smaller PE. A lot of these shops are keen on having someone who's entrepreneurial and just needs to learn the finance tools. After that you can always move to IBD etc.
If you are unsure how to formulate everything, use the resume service provided on WSO.
Entrepreneurial Experience in resume - Favorable aspect? (Originally Posted: 05/23/2011)
Cross posted in Private Iniquity as well
I'm currently a first year analyst at a boutique IB - been thinking about hopping to a MM IB or MM PE (easier said than done, I know). I went to a top 20 undergrad, and have always been told to keep personal ventures out of your resume, it'll make employers uncertain of your commitment to their firm. My company does 7-figures top line, and we are funded by a few investors as well. I've been thinking that I should put this on my resume but haven't yet for the reason mentioned above. Prior to IB, I worked in Accounting at an F500 for 3 years, so that has been my other major section on my resume. Should I reduce that and put my personal venture on there along with my current IB stint? Is something like that a favorable aspect for a candidate? Thanks in advance
What do you plan on doing with this venture while in IB?
Why are you doing IB if you have such a successful company?
It hums along without too much activity required from my end - I have a few people in place that can work on it more than I can. By no means am I making it rain, but this will be a nice nestegg when I get sick of working in corporate. I want to work my way up the ladder and work in PE/HF, and maybe when I'm sick of it all I'll just quit and work on my company full-time. Thoughts?
ahh..if it's something you want to keep I would leave it off. It will raise more questions/doubts if anything. As long as you don't have any gaps because of it.
Thanks for your input. You think if I were to say that I wanted to sell it off, it would be acceptable to throw on the resume?
I had a company that I was in the process of selling during interviews for BB IB. I felt like the feedback surrounding that experience on my resume was completely positive. Bankers like to think that they are entrepreneurs. It is all about how you can relate your experience to the interview.
Representing Entrepreneurial / Non-Traditional Experience (Originally Posted: 08/02/2008)
I'm a long-time lurker of WSO but recently wanted to ask the members of this board a question regarding representing entrepreneurial experience on a resume, and a few other general questions.
To start off with, I will be a junior this fall studying finance at a Top 3 undergraduate business school (Think Berkeley-Haas/UMich-Ross). I currently have a 3.70 GPA, but I'm not sure if my EC's are strong enough.
For example, my strongest EC's would be being the team captain for a championship intramural basketball team, tutoring kids for four semesters, and being an active member in a on-campus Christian fellowship. What do you think about these EC's, and do you have any suggestions for improving on them?
My work experience is very non-traditional. Last summer I spent time in Taipei, Taiwan with touring the industrial manufacturing (LCD screens, painting, plastics) industry that feeds in to my uncle's company, a touchscreen distributor. However, I simply cannot think of a way to represent this on my resume. Are there any tips you can give me regarding this?
Additionally, in high school I co-founded a company focusing on pharmaceutical arbitrage from Canada that was very successful for a few years. I was a big part of everything - sales, operations, shipping, record keeping, etc. since there were only three people in our company. It is not really financially related, so I've been working on the 'Why Finance?' question, but I really think it was great experience running so many different facets of a company and being responsible for it. My question to you is: How is entrepreneurial experience perceived in scoring banking interviews and in the interview itself? Should I list it, even though it was in high school? Thanks for your time and advice.
Is "pharmaceutical arbitrage" a nice way of saying you brought drugs in from Canada and sold them here at US prices? If so, you may want to be very careful about mentioning that at all - I know there are myriad legal issues and regulations around Cross Border trafficking of drugs, and you've probably broken at least one.
How is Start-Up experience looked upon? (Originally Posted: 10/15/2009)
Hey guys,
I am contemplating starting-up right after college and was wondering how 1-3 years experience with your own company is looked upon when entering in PE later. Especially considering the high chance of failure will this still be considered valuable experience? I am specifically asking about PE and not VC, would be greatful for any insights.
After 1-3 years of general start-up:
Financial Modeling Skills = 0 Knowledge of LBO = 0 Knowledge of 10-K/10-Q/... = 0 Knowledge of M&A process = 0
Why would PE hire you if it could hire ex-Analyst from solid MM who knows his/her shit?
pussinboots-guy actually makes a good point. i went through the motions of starting a business right out of undergrad. i quickly realized that this is not the kind of economic environment you want to take risk in. or at least this was the case for me.
what i learned from that experiment is that if you do fail - and you probably will - its nice to have some practical and marketable skill sets you can fall back on. attempting to start a business out of undergrad might be a nice story to bring up in an interview, but you dont learn much from a failed start up. and you definitely wont gain any relevant skill sets for PE.
while you got a point, i think you can acquire quite an extensive skill set, considerable business sense for starters and some credibility when it comes to evaluating management, opportunities and so on.
I've been in interviews twice with smaller shops and was asked if I have any entrepreneurial experience. The Partners there had very diverse backgrounds and possibly looked for a non-conformist route, i dont know. But that made me curious, other comments?
I think all of the above are pretty logical, but I think it would probably lean more towards the other comments (no relevant skills for PE). However, i think this would probably look better in VC where its less financial and more managerial, however PE is still managerial but definitely more financial.
Everyone has made some very valid points thus far. Start up experience will undoubtedly be valued ten times more in VC assuming the company is of any value. If you start some dud company just to say you started a company, VCs would question your ability to assess the idea/marketplace and therefore question your ability to evaluate their investments.
Generally, I don't think it transfers as well for PE. You may learn some the basics of financial modeling, but would still be leaps and bounds behind an Ibanker. You may find a PE shop here and there that likes start up experience, but overall the PE recruiting process is pretty formulaic unfortunately (Ibank first). However, if you are in it for the long haul and end up building a great company that down the line may need growth capital or even become a PE acquisition, it could be an interesting way to develop PE contacts. But again, this would obviously be a long and difficult process.
If you are serious about starting your own company, you need to do it because you are passionate about it, not because it could potentially be used as stepping stone to PE.
How feasible is the path of joining a start-up after your 2 years at a GS/MS/JP IBD, spending ~2-4 years at the startup, and going into PE after that? How would one approach recruiting (would there be headhunters involved)?
Would it give you credibility to have the business sense previously mentioned?
Value of Entrepreneurial Work Experience for Banking Recruiting? (Originally Posted: 08/05/2008)
As a rising junior heading into summer analyst recruiting, I lack the work experience in high finance (boutiques/VC/PE/HF/etc) that some candidates from WSO have shown. However, I have an non-traditional background, having founded a successful company in high school and spending the vast majority of my time on another venture in college. How would banking recruiters perceive this kind of 'work experience', in contrast to other candidates with internships during their freshman/sophomore years? I spent my summers traveling abroad to pitch ideas to potential clients/investors, so I never did that. My EC's are mediocre as well, so I'm worried. Any thoughts?
Do you go to a target? Do you have a high GPA? I think those factors would help you get an interview without traditional work experience.
If not, try networking with alumni to get the interview. It sounds like you have unique experience that could be spun well in interviews. You would need a good answer to the why banking question though, as it seems like based on your background the logical next step would be to continue running your business after graduation, unless the business really isn't that serious enough to provide a real income.
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In my experience, it's a huge positive - provided you have the other stuff like grades, good school, etc. I had a small ebay business with a few thousand in sales when I went through recruiting, and nearly everyone I interviewed with seemed impressed with it, even though it was nothing major. I had even debated leaving it off my resume, since "ebay business" seems kind of cheesy. I would focus on your business experience - it will set you apart from the numerous other applicants who had finance internships previously.
This is the same poster; I forgot my password. To the first poster, I have a 3.7 GPA at a borderline target business school (Think Berkeley-Haas/UMich-Ross), but my best EC's would just be being a team captain of a championship intramural basketball team and tutoring kids for 4 semesters.
As others here have alluded to, the #1 question recruiters will have for you is, "So why not just continue with your business if it's doing so well?"
And you need to have a good answer for that.
I also had some of my own ventures before getting started in banking (and have now returned to them, but that's another story for another time) and I purposely did not play them up in interviews. Of course, mine were probably not to the scale yours were, so it's a bit of an apples-oranges comparison.
Beyond just the inevitable "Why banking now?" question, here's specifically what recruiters will be concerned over: Banking is an extremely structured environment where everyone does what they're told to do. As an entrepreneur, you have done the complete opposite and never worked for anyone else before... so will you be able to adjust to such an environment now?
They may not ask you that question explicitly, but it will come across via other questions and throughout your interviews in multiple contexts. So you should have a good answer that shows proof you can work in such an environment.
On a side note, such experience would be valued much more highly in private equity because the job is, by its very nature, more entrepreneurial and operational experience is valued highly. It's tough to get in without previous finance experience or a good connection, but that's something you may want to consider as well.
Although I have already graduated this year from a non target (baruch)with a 3.55. I have a very successful eBay business, in fact it was one of the top 10 eBay business by revenues last year. I also had a mid office job at a BB for about 4 months before getting canned due to budget cutbacks. During college I had a PWM internship at Smith Barney as well as extra curricular like Ibanking club in school etc..
I know that being from a non target Ill never get into a BB for anything front office but I do believe i may have a small shot with a boutique or a MM. My business runs itself now so I dont need to be around to help out.
Should I Leave My Entrepreneurial Past Off Of My I-Banking Resume?? HELP!!! (Originally Posted: 11/10/2011)
I am 24 year old from Texas. Graduated with a BSc in Economics with a Minor in Global Business when I was 22. During my undergraduate career I interned for 2 years as an Investment Analyst, at a boutique firm in Houston. During my senior year I held a full time job as in Internal Auditor for a non-profit. When I graduated in 2009, I couldnt find a decent finance job so I started my own company, completely opposite from banking/finance. I started a non-emergency medical transportation service for the elderly and disabled. Business boomed, I won contracts with major hospitals, as well as the city of Dallas. I sold my company in mid 2011 to study International Development @ Cambridge University in the UK. I still remain as a paid member on the board of director for my former company, which provides me with a decent amount of residual income. I will be attending Drexel U for my MBA & Masters in Finance starting in the fall. My goal is to work in Equity Research focusing on Emerging Markets and eventually to become an asset/portfolio manager.
My question is: Does the banking industry have any love for Entrepreneurs, some companies/industries prefer not to hire us. Would it be best for me to leave it off of my resume, as I apply for future jobs and internships?
no, i wouldn't sounds like a cool story caught my attention.
With a resume like that why the fuck are you doing an MSF/MBA at Drexel?
I was diagnosed with dyseidetic dyslexia at an early age. Only thing that has saved me is my persistence and a strong work ethic. Dyslexia makes standardized testing for me very difficult, I scored 610 on my GMAT and undergraduate GPA was 3.12, not really in that target school range. I did a lot of research and chose Drexel because of its location, proximity to numerous boutique firms, program structure and Co-Op opportunities which will allow for me to get my foot inside the door and impress management with my strengths, instead of a piece of paper.
you could have had a solid story for a top 10 or even 5 mba
Get the hell back in your ball pikachu.
god all you people and your prestige whoredom is unreal...anyway texastycoon, to answer your question i would leave it on, sounds like a great story!
Banking - no. Vc - maybe. depends on how much you sold that company for.
i think it would be a great story for top 15 bschool admissions. try retaking the gmat if possible.
I can honestly say I am happy with my choice to go to Drexel. Ever since a child, I knew I would have to work twice as hard as the average person to get to where I want to be in life, so the challenge of going to a non-target school actually motivates me. Everything I do is strategic, including my choice to go to Drexel. The co-op opportunity is perfect for someone in my situation. Instead of going to a another school where my GPA could possibly take a hit, I am able to get full-time (school placed) work experience in the field that I see myself working in the future. That alone gives me an advantage over those only doing summer/winter associate programs, because it allows for the opportunity to show off my on the job talents; (hard work, genuine passion, creativity, sociability etc.) which is what really sets me apart from the competition.
The question I had was NOT whether to re-take my GMAT or should I apply to a top 10 school. The advice I needed was how to better position myself through my resume in the future. What is everyone's take on young entrepreneurs in the banking industry, is it something that will mesh? Are employers intimated by the idea of hiring someone with that type of background? Should I leave it off my resume while searching for Co-Op and Intern opportunities?
Yeah... take it off your resume
Let me put it on mine haha
Impressive stuff sir, I would leave it on, but that's just me.
Absolutely not - definitely leave it on your resume. Many in finance wish they had the guts to start their own company - and would love to hear about how you did it. I would not be surprised if some of your interviews consisted of little more than talking about that. Good luck!
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