Would you rather be ridiculously good looking or ridiculously smart?

Would you rather be incredibly good looking (perfectly formed face and body, tall, etc) or be insanely smart (eg. the type of person who won international math competitions in high school, near photographic memory, etc)?

Assume that if you choose good looks, then at most you can only have average intelligence (and vice versa).

Personally I'd take the good looks. I think life in general would be so much more fun if I was 6'5" and looked like Zyzz. You could fuck any girl you want, pursue a bullshit career like modeling/acting and actually have a chance to make it big, have an easier time in business since everyone wants to be your friend, etc. Sure, being a billionaire from the successful hedge fund you started would be awesome, but there's just something about being very very good looking that I think can't be beat. It's true that looks fade, but I still think that the overall quality of life would be more memorable and fulfilling if you're extremely good looking.

This is all just personal preference though. Discuss.

 

If you were option B, you could just buy your women.

My point is: it doesn't matter how you look really, I've seen plenty of good looking women going out with ugly slobs. I'd rather be super smart, contribute something to humanity, and bang anything I want.

 

In a way u are right. u can work ur butt off and be successful even if u are not super smart. but u can never really be good looking if u are butt ugly. and u can never get those hot chicks u so wanna bang. so yeah, looks are number one in my list too.

 
wallstreetballa:
Small percentage? lol you honestly live in a bubble dude.

Have you ever seen a flock of bottles whores in a club? didn't think so

Wow you really proved him wrong there lol

Like my professor says, if you're smart you can get rich. If you're smart and rich, you're automatically hot.

I'll take the intelligence, I think. I get the enjoyment of being able to contribute something valuable (hopefully) and still do pretty well with the ladies. Even Einstein was a womanizer.

 

Good looking. If you are not attractive, you’ll need to work your ass off to get money in order to get laid. Chances are that if you go that way, you’ll become rich no earlier than your late 30’s, most likely in your 40’s or 50’s. So, then you can start fucking hot chicks, but you will be constrained mostly to whores. If you are good looking, you will get to that destination much earlier – as early as in your teens. And the added confidence from being good looking will help you in various life situations, including job related. Unattractive people have all sorts of confidence issues that hamper their performance and most of them always have some kind of complex, no matter how rich they become.

Like my professor says, if you're smart you can get rich.
Professors say such crap because that’s the only consolation they have as most of them are neither good looking, nor rich. Universities are full of near-genius Phd students who never get rich and don’t generally get laid, at least not with hot chicks. Getting rich doesn’t require Einstein-like intelligence – you just have to not be stupid and have common sense to figure out what people need and then sell it to them.

In sum, getting rich for men usually serves the purpose of getting laid and if you are good looking, you start getting laid much earlier, with less work.

 
N.R.G.:
Like my professor says, if you're smart you can get rich.
Professors say such crap because that’s the only consolation they have as most of them are neither good looking, nor rich. Universities are full of near-genius Phd students who never get rich and don’t generally get laid, at least not with hot chicks. Getting rich doesn’t require Einstein-like intelligence – you just have to not be stupid and have common sense to figure out what people need and then sell it to them.

In sum, getting rich for men usually serves the purpose of getting laid and if you are good looking, you start getting laid much earlier, with less work.

Yes, but the professor in question is this guy.

http://www.stern.nyu.edu/faculty/bio/charles-murphy

 
jkdman63][quote=N.R.G.:
Like my professor says, if you're smart you can get rich.
Professors say such crap because that’s the only consolation they have as most of them are neither good looking, nor rich. Universities are full of near-genius Phd students who never get rich and don’t generally get laid, at least not with hot chicks. Getting rich doesn’t require Einstein-like intelligence – you just have to not be stupid and have common sense to figure out what people need and then sell it to them.

In sum, getting rich for men usually serves the purpose of getting laid and if you are good looking, you start getting laid much earlier, with less work.

Yes, but the professor in question is this guy.

http://www.stern.nyu.edu/faculty/bio/charles-murphy[/quote]

Wow, that really proved my point about professors and business in general wrong.

 
jkdman63][quote=N.R.G.:
Like my professor says, if you're smart you can get rich.
Professors say such crap because that’s the only consolation they have as most of them are neither good looking, nor rich. Universities are full of near-genius Phd students who never get rich and don’t generally get laid, at least not with hot chicks. Getting rich doesn’t require Einstein-like intelligence – you just have to not be stupid and have common sense to figure out what people need and then sell it to them.

In sum, getting rich for men usually serves the purpose of getting laid and if you are good looking, you start getting laid much earlier, with less work.

Yes, but the professor in question is this guy.

http://www.stern.nyu.edu/faculty/bio/charles-murphy[/quote]

NOWAI! CHARLIE MURPHY BITCHES!

More is good, all is better
 

You guys are dumb. The marginal utility of the attractiveness of a girl you're fucking is pretty small. I'd rather nail 7s and live a comfortable upper middle class life than bang all the 9s and 10s after I ring them up at Abercrombie, or wherever attractive people shop. Full disclosure: I have no idea where that is, so you can safely assume where I fit on this spectrum.

 

Name one person from history that was good looking.

Name one person from history who is remembered for his smarts.

Hands down, being smart, and being able to contribute new knowledge to the world, is far more eternal than looks.

However, looks will get you everything you want in life, NOW.

looking for that pick-me-up to power through an all-nighter?
 

Ridiculously good looking with average intelligence? I'd switch any day from smart and average looking. To make money you do not have to be ridiculously smart. Average intelligence is enough.

Money gets you almost anything, and if you want hot women, money and looks is what they are looking for. Looks also help in professional setting - in my experience, most C-level executives are taller and better looking than average.

Being smart but poor is the worst thing ever after being dumb and poor (and even feels worse because you understand your situation). Join a local chapter of MENSA (if you can pass the IQ test, he-he) and you'll know what I am talking about after you talk to members. You local chapter of MENSA will also give you an idea on how helpful are smarts in getting women (I'll give you a spoiler - smarts don't mean shit unless you are rich).

 
frank_reynolds:
i love how "which would you rather be" immediately gets translated into "which enables you to get more money and hotter women".

this board is so shallow

not that there's anything wrong with that

Good that you are above us, mere mortals, and all that matters to you is eternity :)))

 

becoming Tyson Beckford won't help you pick up girls, nor will it help you make more $. Those are indirect results of being CONFIDENT

This place is full of fucking tools. People like marcus_halberstram and drexel used to post but now it's a bunch of toolbag, GTL, nontarget, Indian/Pakistani, Canadian rejects

 
Solidarity:
becoming Tyson Beckford won't help you pick up girls, nor will it help you make more $. Those are indirect results of being CONFIDENT

This place is full of fucking tools. People like marcus_halberstram and drexel used to post but now it's a bunch of toolbag, GTL, nontarget, Indian/Pakistani, Canadian rejects

;'(

 
Solidarity:
becoming Tyson Beckford won't help you pick up girls, nor will it help you make more $. Those are indirect results of being CONFIDENT

This place is full of fucking tools. People like marcus_halberstram and drexel used to post but now it's a bunch of toolbag, GTL, nontarget, Indian/Pakistani, Canadian rejects

LOLOL i agree also

"Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's not a threat, that's a fact.
 
Solidarity:
becoming Tyson Beckford won't help you pick up girls, nor will it help you make more $. Those are indirect results of being CONFIDENT

This place is full of fucking tools. People like marcus_halberstram and drexel used to post but now it's a bunch of toolbag, GTL, nontarget, Indian/Pakistani, Canadian rejects

Confidence is irrelevant. Some crackpot can have a ton of confidence, but that won't land him neither a hot girl nor seven figures in his bank account. Confident and ugly - that's called creepy, and will get you a visit from the sexual harassment panda.

 
Confidence is irrelevant. Some crackpot can have a ton of confidence, but that won't land him neither a hot girl nor seven figures in his bank account. Confident and ugly - that's called creepy, and will get you a visit from the sexual harassment panda.

Way to take my pithy aphorism and make a straw man. Confidence isn't about going up to random girls and grinding on them, it's about knowing how to fucking carry yourself. "Sexual harassment panda"--who the fuck says that?

If you don't like the way you look, either 1) get a new haircut, 2) start working out, 3) start hitting on uglier / fatter girls, and / or 4) get surgery (good luck)

Don't come on here and post daydreaming drivel like:

JDawg:
Would you rather be incredibly good looking (perfectly formed face and body, tall, etc)

"Perfectly formed face and body?"

Hahaha that's the gayest shit I've ever heard

 
etherlord:
Solidarity:
becoming Tyson Beckford won't help you pick up girls, nor will it help you make more $. Those are indirect results of being CONFIDENT

This place is full of fucking tools. People like marcus_halberstram and drexel used to post but now it's a bunch of toolbag, GTL, nontarget, Indian/Pakistani, Canadian rejects

Confidence is irrelevant. Some crackpot can have a ton of confidence, but that won't land him neither a hot girl nor seven figures in his bank account. Confident and ugly - that's called creepy, and will get you a visit from the sexual harassment panda.

AMEN! lol
More is good, all is better
 
Solidarity:
becoming Tyson Beckford won't help you pick up girls, nor will it help you make more $. Those are indirect results of being CONFIDENT

This place is full of fucking tools. People like marcus_halberstram and drexel used to post but now it's a bunch of toolbag, GTL, nontarget, Indian/Pakistani, Canadian rejects

I agree, I think we need more posters such as yourself that get their panties in a bunch when fellow posters aren't American, now that makes for some quality, meaningful conversation.

 

If you're debating this in relation to girls, please don't. It's a proven fact (everyone sees it), women often are slumming it with men they have absolutely no reason being with. Good friend of mine, god bless him, ugly as you'd like and incredibly posh but PhD from Oxford. Married an American girl, who's like an 8 and so far out of his league. its silly.

Seriously, cut this shit. You make the best of what you have and guys all over the world are proving it.

 

Being really fucking smart, assuming that you also have sufficient work ethic and ambition. I would've done math/econ at harvard undergrad, an elite hedge fund like de shaw afterwards, make tons of money and do whatever the heck i want.

NYC is filled with hot girls who are with mediocre looking rich guys. I see it all the time when I visit. The bottom line is that if you look at the long-term benefits, intelligence has a bigger payoff than looks. Financial freedom and wealth and prestige for your entire life far surpasses about 15 years of fucking random hot girls.

 

Super smart. Make billions Buy whatever I want and I'll still have a hot girl. He said AVERAGE looks, not butt ugly.

Learn Programming, Lectures by Professor Mehran Sahami for the Stanford Computer Science Department http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMDCCdjyW8
 

[quote=etherlord]By the way, for some reason people in this thread equate smarts with ability to get rich. That is not necessarily true.

This guy is a genius, and still lives in his mom's basement at a tender age of 45: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Perelman[/quote]

I really don't think it's a fair example. 1. His mom is also a mathematician, so it is probably a somewhat comfortable creative partnership, rather than a complete loss of autonomy/decision-making capability or in any other way a sign of loserdom

  1. Without even trying to promote his work he won multiple million dollar prizes and was invited to work in some of the most prestigious institutions in the western world, which he all declined. It seems, in his coordinate system of values things like money and prestige don't matter much; so why would he enslave himself to gods that he doesn't believe in?

  2. He went to live with his mom not because he couldn't get a job, but because he decided he didn't want to work with less than ethical people. I'm gonna say the ability to freely say "i think you are a shitty person, fuck you" is worth at least as much (if not more) as a finely decorated cage. That's a guy who never has to look at himself in the mirror and say: "All my life I ate shit until I became nothing but shit"

More is good, all is better
 

[quote=etherlord]By the way, for some reason people in this thread equate smarts with ability to get rich. That is not necessarily true.

This guy is a genius, and still lives in his mom's basement at a tender age of 45: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Perelman[/quote]

This guy does not give a shit about women or money (or anything else for that matter). He declined the Millennium prize in mathematics that comes along with $1mm check (which by Russian standard of living is roughly an equivalent of $25mm).

 
little_monkey:
etherlord:

By the way, for some reason people in this thread equate smarts with ability to get rich. That is not necessarily true.

This guy is a genius, and still lives in his mom's basement at a tender age of 45:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Perelman

This guy does not give a shit about women or money (or anything else for that matter). He declined the Millennium prize in mathematics that comes along with $1mm check (which by Russian standard of living is roughly an equivalent of $25mm).

How far up your ass did you pull that 25:1 ratio from? Moscow is the highest COL city in the world, by the way.
 

He also has a significantly lower level of stress, not having to deal with a shit ton of ugly, stupid, and talentless losers criticizing his/her appearance/intelligence/talent and random strangers feeling entitled to his/her personal space. There are A LOT of smart people who would never trade a fairly comfortable and happy upper middle class lifestyle for more money, if the money had to come with a celebrity's lifestyle.

And what's smarter? Are we talking about intelligence as a measure of adaptability? In that case, Britney is very intelligent - she has adapted to most of her life situations very quickly, and the changes she had to make were very drastic, too.

More is good, all is better
 

That is sophistry. My initial thesis was that smart does not equal rich/earning a lot of money. Which both examples (with Perelman and Spears) prove.

Job satisfaction/stress level/comfort/etc were not the question here. Question was about earning power. By smarts I mean the common definition of intelligence as cognitive ability measured by standardized IQ tests (SAT/GMAT/GRE/LSAT/MCAT can work as a rough approximation of such a test).

 

How the f is it sophistry. I guess in your world it's not even remotely possible that people perfectly capable of making a lot of money wouldn't assign a high value to marginal earnings increase at a cost to health, time spent with family, creative freedom, feeling good about oneself as a person, etc etc etc .

More is good, all is better
 

It is remotely possible. However, a lot more possible is that many of the engineers would gladly switch places with Britney Spears to earn the money she earns.

Thus I am going to claim that they are not able to earn more than Britney Spears despite their superior intellect. Even more, a lot of IBD analysts would trade places with Britney Spears, and I bet they score higher than her on any test.

 
etherlord:
It is remotely possible. However, a lot more possible is that many of the engineers would gladly switch places with Britney Spears to earn the money she earns.

Thus I am going to claim that they are not able to earn more than Britney Spears despite their superior intellect. Even more, a lot of IBD analysts would trade places with Britney Spears, and I bet they score higher than her on any test.

This is silly.

Britney is worth about 150 mln.

Of the Forbes 400, not a single one is on the list because of being good looking. Oprah is the only one who made decent money closely correlated to being in the public eye.

The majority of the money makers are engineers and financiers - people who make stuff and people who make money.

More is good, all is better
 

That is all correct. However, are there engineers/financiers who are smarter than Britney, but earn less money? And would not mind to earn more?

What if a billionaire had a child with Down syndrome, and this child inherited all the wealth. Did it depend on child's superior intellect?

What if someone is a genius born in a distant village in some war-torn country in Africa? What are the chances of that person earning $150M? I bet they are quite slim.

I think that neither intellect nor beauty necessarily mean riches/money earning capability. Even though they do correlate with money earning capability - I do not argue with that. Ownership of a set of golf clubs does correlate with the ability to play golf, but buying a set of golf clubs does not automatically make you a good golf player.

 
etherlord:
That is all correct. However, are there engineers/financiers who are smarter than Britney, but earn less money? And would not mind to earn more?

In what way are they smarter?

etherlord:
What if a billionaire had a child with Down syndrome, and this child inherited all the wealth. Did it depend on child's superior intellect?
what. the. fuck. ? What does inherited wealth have to do with a debate on whether you can make more money being smart, or being good-looking?
etherlord:
What if someone is a genius born in a distant village in some war-torn country in Africa? What are the chances of that person earning $150M? I bet they are quite slim.
I love to have people like you at my poker table. A genius in a war-torn country wil surely figure out how to not stay there and how to make as much money as he feels compelled to have.
etherlord:
I think that neither intellect nor beauty necessarily mean riches/money earning capability. Even though they do correlate with money earning capability - I do not argue with that. Ownership of a set of golf clubs does correlate with the ability to play golf, but buying a set of golf clubs does not automatically make you a good golf player.

Thank you for rescuing us, Captain Obvious!

More is good, all is better
 

^

thank you for this. this should be enough to end this ridiculous thread.

if you have any doubt, walk around the princeton campus, and walk around the routers campus. walk around the rider and CNJ campus if you have any remaining doubt. looks and brains go together, at least in the real world that exists outside the mind of WSO college freshmen.

 

"Both in the British and American samples, physical attractiveness is significantly positively associated with general intelligence, both with and without controls for social class, body size, and health. Both in the UK and in the US, the association between physical attractiveness and general intelligence is stronger among men than among women. In the UK, physically attractive men have higher IQ by 13.6 points, whereas physically attractive women have higher IQ by 11.4 IQ points. These mean differences imply bivariate correlation coefficients of r=.351 among women and r=.414 among men. Physical attractiveness is more strongly associated with general intelligence than any other variable included in the equations."

 
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It was not a debate on if you can make more money being smart or being good looking. It was a debate whether being smart necessarily means being rich/being able to earn more money. And the answer is "No".

My mission as Captain Obvious is not complete if you still can't comprehend the statement: "Being smart does not necessarily mean being rich/being able to earn more money".

I already explained what I mean by smarts.

On your comment about the African genius... So, if you are smart, you can set a goal to make $1,000,000,000,000, and it will happen? Bankers do want to earn a lot of money, and most of them dream about millions.Are you saying that most IBD analysts/associates are dumb because they don't earn even a half a million while Britney does? Most of them over their lifetime will never earn even close to what Britney Spears has, while they have higher IQs, and are able to beat her on any standardized test. Take Justin Beiber as another example if you think Britney has a chance beating bankers on IQ tests.

If this still does not prove the point to you, then nothing will.

 
etherlord:
It was not a debate on if you can make more money being smart or being good looking. It was a debate whether being smart necessarily means being rich/being able to earn more money. And the answer is "No".

My mission as Captain Obvious is not complete if you still can't comprehend the statement: "Being smart does not necessarily mean being rich/being able to earn more money".

being rich and being able to earn money is not the same thing.
etherlord:

On your comment about the African genius... So, if you are smart, you can set a goal to make $1,000,000,000,000, and it will happen?

Yep. Becoming a president/taking over in a coup and increasing GDP output by a trill is def not impossible. And the poorer is the country initially, the more room for growth it has.
etherlord:
Bankers do want to earn a lot of money, and most of them dream about millions.Are you saying that most IBD analysts/associates are dumb because they don't earn even a half a million while Britney does? Most of them over their lifetime will never earn even close to what Britney Spears has, while they have higher IQs, and are able to beat her on any standardized test. Take Justin Beiber as another example if you think Britney has a chance beating bankers on IQ tests.
they obviously DON'T have higher IQs then, and the standardized tests are wrong. Justin Bieber is a talented and smart beyond his years kid. For all the shit he is having to deal with at 13-17, he says the right things and keeps his mouth shut at the right time. [/quote]
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I am ridiculously good looking and let me tell you, I certainly have more fun than my, shall we say, more intellectually inclined chums. Cheers, good looking people!

"When you really are enjoying what it is you do, who needs balance? There's your balance!"
 
spinner:
Looks fade. Intelligence lasts. Would you be happy in life knowing you "peaked" in your 20s or 30s?

Sounding bitter! Plus looks don't fade until your passing through your 60s and by that time if you aren't married or divorced, you're doing it all wrong.

"When you really are enjoying what it is you do, who needs balance? There's your balance!"
 

Inelegance is over rated. There are plenty of smart, social awkward people who make very little. On the other hand, there are plenty of idiotic, buffoons who make a killing. I would think that Kate Upton is making a lot more than an IB Analyst.

 

This must be a trick question. I would rather be a geniuses who is BORN with average looks. That way I could patent methods for plastic surgery to make money and enhance my own attractiveness. I would not stop there. I would use the proceeds to invest in my own deference start up. My inventions would include an Iron Man suit and tumbler. I would then design a steroid called Venom.

"He that hath a beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no beard is less than a man." ― William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing
 

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