Grace (Session 13) - Blackstone + Goldman Accelerated Recruiting Plan - Nov 27, 2020

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In this session, Grace tells us what investment banking internship offer she accepted for Summer 2021. We also discuss her plan to prep for accelerated recruiting for the Summer of 2022 which is going to happen as early as March 2021. We expect that she will have at least interviews with Blackstone, Goldman and Moelis...not too shabby!

 

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WSO Podcast (Episode 13) Transcript:

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:00:23] Hello and welcome. I'm Patrick Curtis, chief monkey of Wall Street Oasis. And this is Monkey to Millions, a show where you get a front row seat as I mentor young students and professionals to try and help them break into their dream jobs. In the first cohort, you'll meet four students, all preparing for intense job interviews while trying to also balance a personal life and schoolwork. The goal of this show is to shine a light on the struggles of trying to break into competitive positions with a nontraditional background and to give you a roadmap for your own success. My hope is that as you get to know these four impressive students you inspired to dream big. Remember, these are real people and this is their true story. Let's get to it. In this session, Greece tells us what investment banking internship offer she accepted for the summer of 2021. We also discussed her plan to prep for accelerated recruiting for the summer of 2022, which is going to happen as early as March 2021. Kind of crazy. We expect that she will have at least interviews with Blackstone, Goldman and Moelis. Really not too shabby. Enjoy. All right. Greece, it is the day after Thanksgiving, Black Friday. I don't know if you're doing any shopping or whatnot, but yeah, I'd love just to hear an update since last time we chatted.

Grace: [00:01:47] Yes.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:01:47] So I think six weeks.

Grace: [00:01:50] I know it seemed weird that all that time had already passed.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:01:54] Maybe it's only been four weeks. Maybe, like, our calendars are messed up. But anyway, it's good to get an update. Either way, so maybe it'll be a short one.

Grace: [00:02:01] So last time we talked, I think it had been the week that I had done my interview at City and I had gotten the offer, which I ended up accepting. So it feels really good to have that all settled in place, not have to worry about this coming summer anymore.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:02:18] So that's that's for sophomore summer. And that's going to be for how long is that program?

Grace: [00:02:26] It's a ten week program over the summer.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:02:29] And is it for a specific group or anything like that?

Grace: [00:02:32] And because I'm a sophomore, I'll be rotating through three different product or coverage groups.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:02:37] And you had already told them, right. Kind of what you're interested in. Are they going to be able to accommodate that or not?

Grace: [00:02:42] I think so. And there's a Fortum alum there who's an MD. And I've been speaking with him a lot, and he really wants to help me out with kind of getting into those groups that I'm interested in.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:02:55] That's awesome.

Grace: [00:02:56] He's already connected me with some other people. So I think when that time comes closer to putting us into those groups, I'll be able to hopefully at least get one or two groups that I'm really interested in.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:03:09] Cool. And so you'll do that and then that can sometimes lead into another internship offer, right, for that summer. So yeah. Do you know if they put the pressure on? I mean, this is kind of way out. We're still six months before you even start. That. But is there any. Do you know if they put pressure, time pressure on you to accept?

Grace: [00:03:28] I'm not sure how it works, because I also know that there's city does a program, a pretty large program for sophomores in the spring for interviewing for junior summer. And so I know that for a lot of people who interviewed in the same Super Day I did, who didn't get an offer, were guaranteed to get into that program this spring. It's one of those insight programs that's a few days long, but it pretty much gets guaranteed accelerated interviews. So I'm not sure if I also will be going through that.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:04:02] And this spring, meaning for me this spring you'd be interviewing for your junior summer.

Grace: [00:04:07] Yes. Because there will also be other firms starting up interviewing this spring for summer.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:04:14] It's actually kind of good for you in the sense.

Grace: [00:04:18] Overleaf, to have something before going into this summer, knowing what I'm doing, the summer after.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:04:25] Yeah, I mean, it's it's crazy, the timing. But the good news is you're up against other sophomores. You're not up against people who've done a real full on internship yet. I mean, you already have done a banking internship, but. The good news is, by the way, can you hear me okay? I'm doing kind of a different setup than usual. Different mic. So. The way I see it, you should kind of anticipate that that is what's going to happen. They'll just put all the sophomores into the same accelerated recruiting. So any any kind of chatter around other banks in terms of like where you might get in like Goldman for an interview, stuff like that, because didn't a lot of them say like, yeah, just apply for the sophomore stuff or for the for the junior summer.

Grace: [00:05:11] Yeah. So there's a few things are possibilities, I guess. So I think last time we spoke I also mentioned the Blackstone program, right? And so I ended up getting into that. I found out it was only a 7% acceptance rate with our women's fall sophomore program, or there were a few freshmen in there, but it was mostly sophomores. And I did that. It was a two day program a few weeks ago. This year was all virtual, of course, but of all the different virtual programs I've done, this one was by far the most engaging, I will say.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:05:40] So like, what do they do that's so cool. So they they gave you like two weeks and what it do, it just gave you like a background of like the different groups that are there. What did it do?

Grace: [00:05:50] Yes, it was they really showed us all the parts of the firm. And of course, there's so many different groups there. They do so many different things. So there was a lot to hear about. But it was great that we got to hear from all levels vertically to and from so many different people. And then they also had a few kind of outside speakers. They had a psychologist come in and do this one hour session, and then there's a communications consulting firm that they use for their own employees that did a session with us. So it's kind of split things up a little bit. It was very interesting.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:06:22] Overall, how big is the program? Like how many other sophomore? It's sophomore. Was it just for sophomore women?

Grace: [00:06:28] Yes. So they have the women's program, which is what I did. And there were, I think, about 70 participants. Oh, wow. And so, yeah, over 1000 applied.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:06:37] So that is nuts. It's not how you got in. That's amazing. I think it's from it's from people like all over, right.

Grace: [00:06:46] From know of the participants at least there were of the 70, at least seven of them, or at least ten of them I know were from Harvard. And it's a lot very concentrated in a few schools. So it was great to see that they actually three Fordham students, two other girls that I go to school with at Fordham got in.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:07:09] Is that because you help them?

Grace: [00:07:12] I think we had all spoken to the same Fordham alum at Blackstone who would pass our names along to air. So I think that helped a lot.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:07:20] That's cool. That's cool. So Fordham was well represented then. Harvard did did well, I'm sure a bunch from Wharton.

Grace: [00:07:28] Yeah. Wharton. Yeah, of course. And few others. Because of that, because we did that program and there was one that took place a more, I guess, more general diversity, one for other underrepresented minorities. But it was basically the same programming, just another like a week away. And so they really like to fill their classes as much as they can with people from those programs. So all of us will be able to go through accelerated recruiting in the spring or in the early spring. So the way they told us that it works is that for.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:08:01] Your junior summer?

Grace: [00:08:02] Yes, for summer 2022. So they'll be emailing us sometime in February, h.r. Will and we will fill out our ranking of our top three groups there. And then of those three groups, they'll pass along our resumes, and then those groups get to go through all the resumes that have been sent to them, and they pick out the ones that they want to do a first round with. So you're able to interview in that accelerated process, it sounds like, with up to two groups and they like to fill as much of their class as they can. So there's no limit on how many people they can take in that early accelerated round. And that all happens for most groups, at least the ones that I'd be interested in in late February to mid March. So if I'm if I go through that and I go through up to a Super day, then I could know whether or not I have an offer before the end of March for summer 2022.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:09:00] Yeah, which is awesome. And so is that, is that the only accelerated process that you're kind of guaranteed to be in right now? So I'm also right.

Grace: [00:09:09] I'm full for Goldman. I'm going through their diversity program again. But that's I think it's pushed a little later. I'm not sure how much but the actual it's another one of those insight programs. So that program itself, if I got in, would be sometime in January, February or March. And then I'm not sure how the timing works for juniors because I was more familiar with it last year. If I'd been a or.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:09:37] My head spinning just from hearing like just the dates, it's it's really confusing. It's really hard to know, but it's good. You're you're on top of it more than I am. I think it's good we're chatting, actually, because it's kind of crunch time. I mean, it's November. It's December basically next week. Right. And so you have only a few months to potentially prep for your junior summer interviews.

Grace: [00:09:59] Right.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:10:00] Which just goes to show you how insane the accelerated process has become. I don't like it because I don't think they can actually get a great sense of who's. Who's doing it. It's kind of puts people at a disadvantage to discover later in college what they want to do, right. To no fault of their own. Let's say they come from more disadvantaged backgrounds. They just have no clue what investment banking is until their sophomore year. So it's a little sad in that sense. You're luckily not in that, but you kind of you came in knowing and so you're in a good seat. What I will say, though, is you should have some sort of I don't know what your what's your schedule look like in the spring in terms of class load.

Grace: [00:10:41] It'll be. I think it should be a little better than this semester was. And a lot of that is just because of the nature of the work that I'll be doing. This semester has been very project based and a lot of group work, so there's been so much time that's been wasted just on kind of communication things, especially with people not being together. So I think next semester is going to be a lot easier to manage. And also now they've extended our winter break and and then just taken away our spring break so that people don't have the opportunity to leave campus. So I now have all of January off and it's awesome. So I'm going to. Yeah, I'll be finished with finals around the middle of December, so I really need to catch up on, I guess like kind of the networking, networking and the aspect of following with following up with people who I've already spoken with, especially the very beginning of this year. So I'm going to take that time to follow up on everything, because that is.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:11:39] Are you saying the networking stuff? I think it's always a good idea, but are you saying the networking stuff to try and get into more accelerated processes, like in March, April, potentially?

Grace: [00:11:47] So part of that is there are some people who I spoke to say around this past January or February who that told me, oh, when you're a sophomore, you should apply for these things. Right? And so I've depending on which firm it is, I've, I wrote it down then and I looked at the timing of when that application would be. And then also just more generally to keep in touch, even if it's someone who.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:08] Have they started opening some of these windows yet or not till next year.

Grace: [00:12:14] Oh, do you mean for the different programs or.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:16] The different.

Grace: [00:12:17] Programs? Some of them. It looks like we'll be opening in December or January.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:22] Get in.

Grace: [00:12:22] So, for instance.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:23] Get in right away. It shows the shows. You're on top of it.

Grace: [00:12:27] So I've been checking I think this year, too. A lot of the timelines have shifted a little bit, like Blackstone this year had did their program in the fall, and they'd never done that in the fall before. Usually they're only women's diversity programs are in or after the new year. They consider them spring programs. So I'm trying to be on the lookout to see if anywhere else does something like that to.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:12:51] Everyone's just trying to like, leapfrog the other. It's almost worse than private equity. Private equity recruiting is like so accelerated now, but at least they all go at the same time, right? Whereas now, like the banks are just going earlier and earlier and they're up to the point where they're going to be in freshman year soon, like offering out junior year internships, which is pretty funny. So. So it sounds like you're on top of all that stuff. The networking. I agree. Like, yeah, just. Catch up on that to see if you're missing it, because sometimes these programs like you don't hear about it or they're like, Oh, there's this new program and we publish it on this random part of our website that you can't find. As you talk to people. So yeah, I definitely talk to people asking if there's any sort of any other initiatives you should be joining or programs for for this spring. What about interview prep? How do you feel?

Grace: [00:13:45] I feel pretty good.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:13:46] I. Have you done any? I mean, your middle school. So have you been able to. Have you had a chance to do any more practice or mocks?

Grace: [00:13:53] Well, since I finished with recruiting for this summer, I haven't. Like, I feel really solid on the basic technicals. And so now, especially after the Blackstone program, the groups that my top group there that I'm interested in is the infrastructure group. So I know a lot of that prep and this is from a lot of the people Blackstone I've spoken with is, is really demonstrating why you're interested in that particular group and being and showing that it's a genuine interest. So I have been kind of following the space overall and there's the past few weeks I've been bookmarking a lot of longer articles that I want to read. Once my finals are done, I can actually pay more attention to those things.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:14:34] I like the game theory behind which groups and Blackstone to target because I'm not even sure off the top of my head which ones are considered. Like are there are there functional groups like an M&A group versus.

Grace: [00:14:48] So it's it's an investing firm straight out. Yes. They don't have any kind of banking advisory side in that sense. The the most competitive, of course.

Patrick (CEO of WSO):  [00:14:59] Yeah. Okay. So the private equity is most competitive.

Grace: [00:15:02] And real estate, but real estate has several different groups within it. And I'm not sure how competitive it is when you break it down through those different groups because of acquisitions, asset management, the REIT that they have and there's a lot of.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:15:16] Acquisitions will be top there. So I can tell you I'm.

Grace: [00:15:20] More interested in the asset management part of real estate. I'm still looking more into that, but I know that infrastructure is my top choice. And that's also.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:15:28] The infrastructure as part of the actual acquisition. So it's in the private equity arm.

Grace: [00:15:33] Of Yeah, it's it's separate from real estate.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:15:36] And Blackstone, it's so big. Right. Don't they have they have an advisory function to their bank.

Grace: [00:15:42] Not. Not MNA. Advising.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:15:44] Not MNA. Okay.

Grace: [00:15:46] No, it's. They have, like, a private wealth solutions group, but it's basically selling their products to some managers, and then they have a tactical opportunities group.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:15:56] Is that black swan. MNA, Yeah, you're right. They got out of it a while ago.

Grace: [00:16:08] I think they have the credit groups and the secondaries.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:16:11] Investors really should think of it as like buy side.

Grace: [00:16:14] It is.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:16:15] Straight up.

Grace: [00:16:15] And I don't think of it as a bank. And so it shows.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:16:18] You that even running Wall Street, it shows you how behind I am and how things change. And I'm like, wait a second, isn't that. So it's different, but how is the training there you were to go? Do they have like, it's so.

Grace: [00:16:29] Big because it's so big then this is something they stressed throughout the program I did is how much you're really thrown in in the beginning and how much exposure you get. And so you have the training, of course, that you go through. But then a lot of that training, too, is through your interaction with your team because the teams there are so, so small for how much you're doing. So a lot of it is through. They talk about how to get hired to begin with. You need to show that you're a really good communicator and good at kind of debating and how a lot of the analysts that spoke with us talked about how like on their first week on the job, they were kind of going back and forth with MDs about, well, why do you think this what's your opinion on this? So it's it's not as much. It's of course, it's very different from starting out at a bank in that sense of what you're learning. But it's and then this depends on the group that you're in as well within Blackstone.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:17:30] But have you been able to see anybody at Blackstone as an as a private equity analyst? Kind of I assume that's the title they give you coming right out of school, but then getting promoted directly to associate or do they kick you out after 2 to 3 years?

Grace: [00:17:43] I'm not entirely sure. And because private equity is not a group I've really been looking at there, I don't know about that area as much. I'm a lot more familiar with the real estate and the structure.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:17:55] I guess the infrastructure group, It's it's just how big is their infrastructure fund? Probably like massive.

Grace: [00:18:01] Yeah, it's I think.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:18:03] It's $10 million or something.

Grace: [00:18:04] Yeah, it's about $20 Million. And when they first launched it, I forget exactly what the structure was, but it was backed by the Saudi Public Investment Fund. And so it's a it's a very fast growing group right now. And they've been so it's very new. I think it's one of I think it might be the newest group at Blackstone. So it's I think that might make it a little less competitive. Also, just because it's more niche compared to something broad like this real estate.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:18:34] I'm just doing some searches right now. So I'm in court and they even got rid of their restructuring business. I'm way behind. So they kind of spun it out. Yeah, they spin out. So they're pure pee now. Right. Or pure, pure direct investments. Not.

Grace: [00:18:54] It's entirely by side.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:18:56] Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. Very cool. So are you. This is not a 15 billion of committed capital on the infrastructure side already. Um. Okay, That's cool. I think. Yeah. You got to know. I guess the tough part is you have so you have that potentially fast approaching. You have. Um. Goldman as well.

Grace: [00:19:27] Then last and this is one of the ones like someone I talked to a while ago at less one of their it's not someone who's directly involved in recruiting, but I think he's a senior vice president or managing director and he's from Baltimore. And that's the original connection I made with him. And so he said he is somewhat involved or at some extent involved in recruiting. So he really encouraged me to apply for there. I think it's a women's sophomore program. So I looked in last year, the application for that opened and I think it was late December or early January. So I have that written down. I keep checking on that and that's someone else I'll follow up with. So there's that.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:20:13] Yeah, some good leads.

Grace: [00:20:14] I don't think a lot of the other boutiques have sophomore programs or women's programs.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:20:19] I think is even if you miss these, even if you don't get one of these three, let's say mole is Blackstone or what's the third one? Goldman or Goldman. Yeah, you get Goldman Mills or Blackstone, which are all amazing. It doesn't mean you're not going to get after doing the Citi internship your sophomore summer doesn't mean you're not going to get a lot of looks again in your junior year.

Grace: [00:20:41] And I think most people get return offers to after your sophomore summer, as long as you don't screw anything up.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:20:49] As long as you're willing to work long hours and suffer a little bit and then you're good. Okay. Well, it's pretty exciting, though. I mean, these are these are really tough firms to get into. These are like top of the top. So it's great to hear that your Fordham Fordham people were represented well to. So. So I guess what's the plan? What's the game plan for you? I know you said kind of get in touch with everybody again, but I think really like it comes down to interview prep for me because it's like when you get into that interview, you want to be super comfortable feeling like you've told your story 100 times. And then for each one, I think putting the story together of what group and what specific groups and why make sense to do that in January while you're have that time, not just not just pure, not just pure networking. Right.

Grace: [00:21:40] Because and I think a few people I've spoken to at Blackstone in real estate will sometimes ask me on the phone like, Oh, like, why are you interested in real estate? And when I tell them why, they said, like, Oh, that's really good that you as I talk about the internship I had the summer after my high.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:21:59] School one sack, my daughter. Let me just everybody is joining us for the first time ever. So it's day after Thanksgiving. So it's very much a family week. Everything you want to say hi to everybody.

Everly: [00:22:10] Hi.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:22:12] Okay.

Grace: [00:22:12] So how old are you, Everly?

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:22:15] How old is she? How old are you?

Everly: [00:22:17] And five. Oh, very nice.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:22:22] So. So she was just telling us about. So sorry. Go ahead. You were saying that that they were happy. They were happy that you actually had a y real estate answer.

Grace: [00:22:31] Oh, yes. And they said, Oh, that's a lot more experience than I had coming in or knowledge I had coming in about real estate. So actually, I feel good about that.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:22:40] Yeah, especially as a sophomore. I think that's really good because that's pretty rare. So then tell me a little bit about just in terms of your actual game plan for the interview prep. Do you feel like your need a little bit. So there's obviously the why Blackstone, why this specific group which is should be like probably 50% of your time spent but the technicals like don't definitely brush up on them.

Grace: [00:23:03] Right right. And that's the thing is I as it gets closer there's another student at Fordham who will be interning in the real estate group this summer at Blackstone. And he said that he really wants to help me with interview prep when that gets closer. If I'm interviewing for any of the real estate groups. And then one person we.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:23:24] Have a real estate modeling course now we can get your access.

Grace: [00:23:27] Okay So in.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:23:29] Beta, but yeah, it might be helpful.

Grace: [00:23:31] Yes, definitely. Cool. I'm trying to figure out how different the technicals would be for the infrastructure group as opposed to real estate. And I think I'm probably just going to have to talk to some people and ask because it's a small group to begin with.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:23:48] Yeah, I think infrastructure I mean, infrastructure is such a broad term, right? It can mean it can mean real estate, but it can also mean a lot of just infrastructure.

Grace: [00:23:56] There's digital infrastructure and there's also things like pipelines.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:24:00] And and bridges and all that good stuff. So, yeah, I think it's it's kind of like pretty exciting that it's coming up so early. I didn't realize. Now I make sense. I'm like, Oh gosh, the spring you're interviewing for a year and three months out.

Grace: [00:24:17] Right. It's kind of crazy that I could still be in my current internship and know what I'll be doing to internships later.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:24:24] Yeah, that's good. That's good. I think. I think the good part is if you can lock it up now, why not? And then you can stop doing monkey and millions. You won't need me. It'll be like coasting. We'll do one. We'll do one call every, like three or four months. Just just to hear how you're how you're doing. Because it's funny. Because Andrew's done. John's done. You're the last of the initial cohort. But I mean, you were the youngest, too, so it makes sense because they were in like junior year and senior year respectively. So I'm actually just took on somebody new that I'm starting with next week, which is exciting.

Grace: [00:24:58] It's exciting.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:24:59] Yeah. He's a little bit older. His name's Victor. He's actually much older, but he just graduated undergrad. He was an immigrant. That had basically didn't know English when he came over here.

Grace: [00:25:10] Oh, wow.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:25:11] So. That'll be fun. That'll be fun to see if I can get him in.

Grace: [00:25:16] Yes.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:25:17] Totally different. Right? But, yeah, I'm excited for you. I think you have a lot like. Kind of you're ready. It's just a question of that using that time in January to make sure. You're ready to go with all the interview prep? Because I think at this point you don't need to go crazy and get into like 20 more processes. You just need to nail the few that you have. And if it if it doesn't go well, it's not like you've run out of time. You continue. You can continue to kind of get those relationships. You can still get the return offer from city that looks good, but then other people are going to want want to poach you either way. So. Right, Beverly? She agrees. She agrees. Anything else? How can I help? Because it sounds like you're. It sounds like you're in a great setup. You're going out?

Everly: [00:26:11] No, I stand on her lap.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:26:14] You want to stand on my lap? It's going to hurt.

Everly: [00:26:18] Yeah.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:26:20] So anything. Any other way, I can help.

Grace: [00:26:24] I can't think of anything right now. I feel like I've. I have this whole list of things I'm going to do over break. But right now, I'm in the I guess, kind of the last three or so weeks of school. So there's a lot of things going on.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:26:37] Yeah. Just finish your final. Do well with your grades and. What are you doing?

Everly: [00:26:43] Get me.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:26:44] Oh, you want to go down?

Everly: [00:26:45] No, no. Get me.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:26:46] A pop. Well, she wants to stand up on my lap, so I think we're going to call it.

Grace: [00:26:50] All right.

Patrick (CEO of WSO): [00:26:51] You got me. Email me if you need anyone, say bye. Say bye. We're going then. Thanks to you, my listeners at Wall Street Oasis. If you have any suggestions whatsoever, please don't hesitate to send them my way. Patrick at Wall Street Oasis dot com. And till next time.