If you are traveling Mon-Thurs, what should you do about housing for Fri/Sat/Sun?

If you are traveling to work at client's site from Mon thru Thurs, what should you do about housing for fri, sat, and sun? The point of this is to save money, obviously. Just like what the other guy said in the other thread, hopefully saving 100k for working only 2 years.

Fri - it really depends on workload. Could either still be working at client's site or home-based office. But most definitely, you will have to come home on friday night and sleep.

Sat - need a place to sleep

Sun - Sun evening, it depends.

A few options I can think of...

1 - use airbnb - keep rent under $50 per night

2 - rent an apartment under 1k, lease it to tenants but negotiate with them that you will come back home on weekends and need a space to sleep?

3 - buy a foreclosed house with cash, rent out the entire house and make a side negotiation for weekends. Good for long term investment

Thoughts? Btw, I'm stationed in the midwest.

 

I know of people who were based in the NYC office and lived at home in Chicago. Since they flew out anyway during the week, it didnt matter where they flew in from. I just dont know how that affected his initial training and stuff if you have local training to attend.

You have to be a boss at networking I'd imagine, if you dont come to the office and never see or meet anyone new.

Hugo
 
BTbanker:
That 100k figure was for bankers, not consultants. You won't get anywhere near that.

Working 2 years already almost touches 150k, while most of your travel expenses during the week days are already paid for, are you telling me that you have to spend more than 50k within the two years if you really try hard enough to save?

 
slim_ibd_shady:
BTbanker:
That 100k figure was for bankers, not consultants. You won't get anywhere near that.

Working 2 years already almost touches 150k, while most of your travel expenses during the week days are already paid for, are you telling me that you have to spend more than 50k within the two years if you really try hard enough to save?

Don't forget about taxes.
 

also, as a consultant, and if you happen to be doing the "right" type of consulting, you could be picking up a side gig on the weekend and make some extra bucks. Some can range from $30~60 per hour.

 
BTbanker:
I would applaud you if you could only spend 5k/year, but I know college kids that go through that much in a semester.

This. While I applaud OP's ambitious plan, I don't think it's very realistic.

I thought that 5k was the bare minimum budget for a college student in a semester. I spent more like 7-8k a semester back in college. (rent was pretty expensive)

 
F. Ro Jo:
If you do what I suggested and stay at the client city on weekends, you might not even have to pay for food, if your flights are expensive enough, and your hotel is cheap enough.

I haven't been placed on a project yet, so I have absolutely no clue where I'll be in. Could possibly be in the same city working with local clients.

If I do have to work far away from home city, then yes, I would consider your option. I would even consider living on airbnb instead of hotel.

On a second thought, I'm considering to buy a house in the home city, lease it on airbnb for the rest of the year, only come home to sleep on weekends. How does that sound for an investment?

 

Yeah you wouldn't get anywhere near that. Using an above posters math,

77000 x 2 = 154000

154000 * (1-.30% tax) = 107800

Even 1k rent is 12k a year or about 25k for two years. Then you have food and misc. costs which are at a minimum another 12-20k a year. Even if you're frugal you'll be lucky to say 12k or another 25k for two years.

That leaves you with 57800 in savings after two years. Most consultants I know aren't that frugal and save about 10-30k after two years.

 
mashed potatoes:
why is your username slim_"IBD"_shady when your a consultant....

anyway, saving a 100k in 2yrs with your starting job = WILL NOT HAPPEN

I had my initial interest in investment banking as I started on this forum.

 

This might work for the first few months, but after that I'd imagine having a place of your own for the weekend would be a necessity. I know I would lose it after living out of a suitcase for a few weeks. Also, sometimes you are staffed on a local project, which means no hotel or airline budget.

That being said, it is difficult to swallow spending $1000/month or more on a place you only sleep at 4 nights a week. Living somewhere cheaper or with 3-4 roommates can help bring down the cost, and since you're gone half of the time you're less likely to get sick of living with 3-4 other people. Some first-year consultants also live in their parents house for the first few months to a year to build up some cash, which isn't that bad since you're only there for 3 days a week.

 

You will have no social life if you decide to stay at the client site every weekend, decide to live with your parents for the weekend (unless your parents live in a neighborhood you yourself actually want to live in), or go with the airbnb route (mostly because you live alone in a hotel the rest of the week as is).

You will go crazy if you are working as a consultant and have zero social life.

 
ballmouse:
You will have no social life if you decide to stay at the client site every weekend, decide to live with your parents for the weekend (unless your parents live in a neighborhood you yourself actually want to live in), or go with the airbnb route (mostly because you live alone in a hotel the rest of the week as is).

You will go crazy if you are working as a consultant and have zero social life.

agreed but different people have different priorities.

 

Why don't u get your own apartment and rent out via airbnb to make some of the money back. Essentially choices #2 or #3. I'm actually airbnb'ing my whole stay in San Francisco for an internship this semester and I can agree logistically it is unsustainable for long term, mainly finding a place to store all your shit that is easily accessible

 
xfactor:
Why don't u get your own apartment and rent out via airbnb to make some of the money back. Essentially choices #2 or #3. I'm actually airbnb'ing my whole stay in San Francisco for an internship this semester and I can agree logistically it is unsustainable for long term, mainly finding a place to store all your shit that is easily accessible

That's actually one of the options I proposed at the beginning of this post. I'm even thinking about buying a foreclosed house and leasing it entirely. Afaik, you need to be a house owner to lease out places on Airbnb. Otherwise, it would be very messy and probably is illegal. However, another problem is that who is going to change the sheets for my Airbnb customers? Do I have a hire a maid? Sorry...no real experience in running this type of business on Airbnb yet myself.

 

Btw, I believe there are 2 elements missing from the calculation in this discussion.

1. Company is at least responsible for 16 out of 30 days of my personal expenses. And Texas has no state income tax.

2. 80k in Texas is equivalent to 130k in NY, if you are always having that 6 digit figure mentality.

 
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Here's my take: Saving is great, but if you can have a demonstrably better lifestyle by spending an extra 10k a year (thus saving, by your calculations, 80k instead of 100k), you should do it because even granting killer compound interest+the ability not to take high interest rate debt out later (i.e. MBA), that money is going to be of less use to you later.

That's not to say you shouldn't live the cheap lifestyle while you're still used to it -- because once you start upgrading your life, it's hard to go back. But if it's between living the life of a well-to-do hobo and having a small room in a house with some other young professionals, it's not even a question.

Also, consider you may from time to time be put on local projects, and depending on the staffing model, you may do your career harm by staying at the client site every week.

 

It's a question of what kind of lifestyle you're looking to live. Do you have friends in your base city? Do you want to go out on the weekends with them? If saving is your main concern and the answers to the previous questions are yes, find the cheapest apartment possible and go live life during the weekend. You aren't going to be on client sites from Sunday evening to Friday night all the time. This definitely falls within the minority. If it's the case where you are looking to spend all of your time buried in your project and want to stay in the client site's city as much as possible, I would recommend shacking up with a friend on the weekends or booking into a sleazy hotel for the days you are back in town.

Bust your ass during the week. Spend a little money to get a place you're proud of and can hang on the weekends. No reason not to enjoy the best years of your life.

 

I agree with 2x2 Matrix. Living with your parents (assuming you have a good relationship with them and they live close to your office) is likely the only way to save a boatload of money without sacrificing your sanity. I originally was of the mindset that I'd never do that, but even "independence" has a price (especially when your parents live 1.5 miles away from the office and close to the airport).

If that isn't an option for you, I'd try to find a group of friends to rent a house with. Depending on the city and size/location of house, you could easily get rent down to $600-800 per month (quite reasonable). Even with Airbnb you are likely spending at least $75 per weekend. That amounts to $300 at least per month, not to mention the time cost of figuring that out every weekend. Similarly, if you're planning on trying to be so frugal in the first couple years of your working life, then I doubt you want to shell out the down payment for a mortgage at this time.

And, as far as the $77k salary per year, this number appears a gross understatement. While I understand bonus pay is far smaller in IBD than banking (at least historically...we'll see how that goes in the future), that data point would equate to almost no performance or signing bonus. Plus, the retirement packages (which could count as savings) and the benefits could play into that $100k goal as well. So, if we assume $100k salary + retirement savings (a fair approximation given the up to $16k performance bonus and up to at least 6% 401k plan), then the save $100k in my first two years seems plausible. IBD is a great gig, but not the only way to make a lot of money out of school (and even more questionable as a way to achieve long-term wealth).

 

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