Kelley School of Business (Indiana University)
Hello,
I know people here have talked about Kelley before, but I just wanted a post about Kelley only. Would you guys here consider Kelley, a target... semi-target?
I was looking at their Invesment banking workshop ( http://www.kelley.iu.edu/ibw/ ) and almost everyone there has an IB job lined up for this summer.
Also, they seemed to be ranked high for finance (6th) by various guides.
I'm aldready signed up to go next year, and its not like I can change my mind, but I was just curious.
Thanks
That program looks pretty cool and it seems like if you're smart and work hard you'll be able to definitely differentiate yourself at IU.
I attended Kelley (Masters of Accounting, not mba) and absolutely LOVE the place. I got to know a few of the mbas and my impression is that its probably a semi-target. I THINK its accurate to say that most in the IB club got good gigs, but I think they had to put some real effort into the networking, etc... Offers weren't just handed out at will.
My (biased) recommendation is, if possible, go to Kelley. That was without a doubt the best year of my life. The students, faculty, town, everything is absolutely amazing. I might get an mba in a few years partially because I want to go back!
http://www.ibankingoasis.com/node/4716
Placed 75 kids on the street in '07 of which 29 were in NYC, 38 in Chicago. 55 in Corp Fin, 16 in S&T, 4 in Research. BB placements were:
BofA: 5 Bear Stearns: 7 Citigroup: 1 Credit Suisse: 2 Deutsche Bank: 7 Goldman Sachs: 6 JPMorgan: 6 Lehman Brothers: 3 Morgan Stanley: 1 UBS: 2
Rest were MM firms/boutiques
angry-
do you know hoe many people were in the IB club? My impression was that not many people outside of the club got offers, but 75 is more people placed than I would've expected. I'm kinda impressed.
It's important to note that there are two tracks in the Investment Banking Workshop (IBW)--Investment Banking and Investment Management. The Investment Management track has recently split off and will be a separate organization. Within the Investment Banking track, there are apprx. 33 students per class, all of whom received offers. I'm not positive how many are in the management track, but the Kelley school also offers another program specifically for seniors called Excellence in Investment Banking. There are a handful of students in this program that also receive offers on the street.
Do you guys think this would be a better option than University of Illinois Champaign?
Total of 40 people outside the club, 25 from the Seminar, 15 Independent.
get into the Workshop and you're set.
Do you know how to increase your chances of getting into the workshop? I heard its difficult to get into but not too sure
Whatever you do, make sure you are in the workshop AND in the Kelley business school. My good friend tried the Econ/Math route and got an interview for every BB but rejected from every single one. The only reason he got rejected was becuase he wasn't in the school of business. He still got all those interviews becuase he was in the workshop.
In the end, he got a trading job, so everything worked out, but it was very discouraging seeing him get rejected from all those bb's not becuase he wasn't qualified, but becuase he wasnt in the Kelley school.
Do you know how to increase your chances of getting into the workshop? I heard its difficult to get into but not too sure
Also, the workshop has made it a weak target, but a target nonetheless. It's graduate school has weaker placement, though than the undergrad.
i believe he was probably in the management track as opposed to the banking track.
Indiana University-Kelley School as Undergrad? (Originally Posted: 09/02/2012)
I am an international student doing my undergrad at Indiana University, Kellley School of Business. Even though the reputation for the Kelley is great, the Indiana University is not as well known as the business department.. I am wondering if I should transfer to schools like NYU or Gerogetown to get a shot at a big companies(finance) here in America..
I'd love to hear your opinions.. Also when I go back to my country, I am concerned that my degree at Kellley will not be differnciated from those who majored in economics at Indiana University.. I do get scholarships as a Direct Admit here and I am a sophomore..
I am opend for any advice or opinions. Hope you all enjoy your weekend.
Look, you don't need to transfer. You will need to work a bit harder at Kelley, but it's completely doable. Peruse your alumni database by companies you want to work for, or by locations you want to work at. Go to networking events; get to know your professors (some may be former IBankers or may be doing something finance related right now and teaching on the side). Take upper level business classes and work on your math skills; try to get to the highest math level you can. Few people, especially the business tools, know math these days -- it can be pretty impressive. Try to get an off-season job during the school year at a local bank. There are a lot of opportunities if you get creative.
You have scholarships right now, and direct admission. Saving money/time is always a win.
@m56 .. I appreciate your advice. I didnt' get good grades for my freshman year. So I will have to work extra hard for the this semester and so on.. Are you working in the financial sector at this moment?
I'm not; I'm a student. My advice was based on my own experience, though.
From what I've seen most Kelley kids have very high GPAs + scholarships which really gives them a boost in talking to alumni and in interviews. If you lack these, then I'm sorry I can't see your competitive edge beyond the other advantage of an extremely friendly personality. It is a state-school after all. Just check your linkedin database, everyone who works for Blackstone to DB had a scholarship and a high GPA and that's essentially they're bumperplate beyond the banking workshops, clubs, etc.
I believe there is a program within Kelley for those who are interested in IB, and it has good placement across the street esp for a school that would otherwise be considered a nontarget. By good placement, we're talking 1-2 students at just about everywhere including GS TMT/FIG, MS M&A, BX, Laz, and top groups at other banks as well.
Stay there, do well in school and get into this program, and you'll be fine.
Indiana-Kelley does well with a lot of MM and regional BB firms around the Chicago area, so there are definitely quite a few options available to you.
Is Kelley a Target? (Originally Posted: 02/12/2012)
In the infamous Target Vs. Non-Target thread many people agree that Kelley has better recruiting than some of the lower Ivys.. If this is true does that make Kelley a target assuming you take advantage of what the school has to offer (BHP and the Ibanking workshop)? And is Kelley of the same caliber as Stern, Haas, Ross, UVA, UNC,ect.?
Sorry, but Kelly is not a target school. It is possible to break in with solid networking, but it's not of the same caliber as the schools you mentioned.
I am also from Indiana... I looked into it and just saw little opportunity for entry, so I go to Ross.
It's relatively easy to get into compared to the other targets and offers good OCR.
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"many people agree that Kelley has better recruiting than some of the lower Ivys"
Not sure if trolling..
"No, it's not fucked up. Kelley kids are better prepared for the job than Columbia students. Simple as that."
"But, yeah, Kelley still has the same, if not better, recruiting. I've seen their placement stats. :)"
I've never met anyone from Kelley in finance (IBD, S&T, research, or quant) in NYC.
Kelley is not a target. It has a good reputation as a business school and the IB Workshop is great obviously, but it is not a target. Definitely not on par with McIntire/Kenan-Flagler/Haas/Ross.
The problem is the recruiters at Kelly aren't BB IB, so what do you consider "better"?
Job placement rate... or quality of the job?
I think that in terms of teaching and research, the Big Ten is on or above par with the Ivy League in most of the STEM disciplines. This happens to be borne out in US News' Engineering rankings, which, if anything, handicap state schools' large class sizes, limited funding, and lower graduation rates.
If I'm 18, and Cornell comes down to IU's cost of attendance, I am probably going to choose Cornell. Cornell has lower dropout rates and in some ways a cooler college experience. But most people forget that IU's 40% dropout rate ADDS to graduating seniors' selectivity, and the Big Ten are also much bigger and more cost-effective research institutions with a lot more stuff going on.
If there's no cost difference, take Cornell. If IU is significantly cheaper, take IU.
An entire wall of text that does nothing to answer the OP's question.
I knew a Kelley once. She made a great target.
This will be a shit storm.
The IB workshop placement is very good. I think at least two of MBB recruit there. Kelley is a lesser version of Georgetown MSB. Not that well known and not difficult to get into, but decent placement nonetheless (in case of G'town MSB--awesome placement).
Try to transfer to UVA, G'town or Haas for better placement though.
Do you know how to increase your chances of getting into the workshop? I heard its difficult to get into but not too sure
One of the guys I worked with this summer was from Indiana. He talked up this workshop a lot. Looks like solid placement.
http://kelley.iu.edu/ibn/Members/memberViewForm_1.cfm?gradYear=2012&aff…
ugh, same thread all over again. summary is exactly what Illini said - if there is a significant cost advantage (i.e. in state tuition, full ride scholarship, etc.) Kelly probably gives you enough a shot, at a a bargain price, that it's worth taking Kelley. If not, take the better brand (i.e. Ivy, or the schools you listed). The only point people were trying to make in that other thread is that cost can and should be a factor in choosing your school. Using arbitrary numbers, if 40% of kids from Ivy school X land gigs at Joe Blow bank, and 10% of kids from Kelley do, but you have to pay $50k per year at X, and Kelley is free, you might want to take Kelley and take the chance that you'll be in that top 10%, still land at Joe Blow bank, and do it all for free.
2 variables, instead of 1 people. not that complex.
people who go to kelley think it is way better/harder than it is in reality. It is pretty much the definition of semi-target imho not a target at all. But every kid there thinks they're set for life because they have the "kelley advantage"
Semi-target. The workshop gives you a great shot at a BB gig in any city. In a decent environment, maybe 15-20 non-workshop students will get into IB, ranging from no-name boutiques, to solid MM firms.
As a Kelley student and Investment Workshop member, I believe the curriculum has prepared me well for interviews. This year, I was able to get internship interviews at every BB I applied for. However, I have done plenty of networking and completed previous internships. The bottom line is that no matter where you go, you need to work hard and meet as many people as possible. Feel free to PM me with any questions.
I went to Kelley. It is definitely a semi-target, not a target.
The IB workshop kids, however, have equal recruiting opportunities as anyone at a "real" target. The top performers from the workshop will absolutely get placed at the top BB banks in NYC. I have several friends from my class who got into GS, MS, and the rest. However, as those have said above, people not in the workshop will have a MUCH harder time getting a BB position. Sure, they can get a MM job in Chicago, but that only proves my point that it is a semi-target.
If you're looking for a Big 10-type college experience (versus the less exciting experience at a lower Ivy or small school), you could do a lot worse than Kelley. If you're focused on IB, then Ross is probably a superior option, but if you're a hard worker, you'll do fine at Kelley.
If you're interested in consulting, McK and Bain recruit there every year, although each company only takes 1-2 people. BCG recruits much less at Kelley, although a kid from my class went there.
Btw, @Illini, in what ways could the college experience at Cornell be better than IU? I know you said "in some ways", so maybe you just mean the Ivy brand on the resume. In every other possible metric I could imagine, the experience at a large state school has to be better. Obv I'm biased b/c I went to IU, but I honestly can't fathom a single reason I'd rather go to Cornell than IU, other than the brand (which, for Cornell, isn't good enough to justify going there over IU, at least for me personally). Just to be clear, I'm talking about Cornell specifically, not ivies in general.
One reason: At the top-10 you end up learning more from your peers than from your professors.
This totally gives my identity away to users from my school, but: in my dorm, my neighbor has appeared in two hollywood movies, the kid down the hall has a bronze medal in the IPO (so among the most brilliant young minds in physics today), and another girl in the floor above mine already has a gaming start-up valued at 4 million.
While the IB workshop at kelley might offer decent recruiting, I am absolutely sure you will not at all have the same experience as you might at Brown, Harvard, Penn, Columbia (;)), UChicago, Princeton, Stanford, etc. Just two different caliber of students, in general.
I believe that it is a semi-target school. I had the opportunity to visit a variety of wall street banks this winter as a part of a trip organized by my business school. At these banks there were the usual Wharton and other Ivy grads, some UVa, NYU, UMich, but there were also a few Indiana people at very prestigious banks such as Greenhill and Perella Weinberg. It's definitely a great program.
i don't think it's a target b-school, but josh pearl, co-author of "Investment Banking" went there...much of my understanding of finance is rooted in his book, so a hat tip to him and Kelley.
I would say no. Kelley is not a target. And I truly don't believe that it offers better recruiting than the lower Ivy's.
Check out this: http://poetsandquants.com/2011/11/28/firms-that-hire-the-most-mba-interns/4/
This article shows the number of MBA students from ~20 schools that top companies hired as interns last year. I believe you're asking about Kelley's undergrad program, opposed to the MBA program. But either way, the recruiting numbers are roughly the same. Cornell, Darden, Texas, and CM do way better than IU.
The other schools you mentioned certainly perform more consistently between undergrad & MBA.
Kelley is a semi-target for sure.. places plenty of students each year at many different banks
I may consider going there OOS. With the9k scholarship for being a direct admit I could bring tuition down to about 15K, which is a fraction of the 60K I would be paying at a place like Stern. Another thing I like about Kelley is that it is a 4 year programs compared to 3 years at Ross and Haas.
Seedy's got it right again. If you are guaranteed placement into the workshop and get in Direct Admit, it's a safer bet for breaking into IBD than any non-Ivy besides Stanford, MIT, Duke, etc.
On a pure numbers basis, Kelley places near the top in terms of # of kids sent to Wall St. However, a lot of these will be BAML, UBS, DB, etc. Placement among the top firms will be more like 3-5 GS, 3-5 JPM, 1-2 MS, 0-1 Lazrard, 0-1 Blackstone, 1-2 PWP, 0-1 Greenhill, 3-4 Moelis, etc.
Workshop has a 99% placement rate (like 30/30), Seminar has a 50% placement rate (like 20/40), and probably 10-20 outside those two programs will break in.
All the BBs and most of the elite boutiques will interview, they just take less than Wharton, etc. Whether that’s target or non-target, idk.
As a Kelley alum, I think Aero and Dagwood were pretty accurate in their comments.
I would second the information from their posts, rather than some of the other misinformed comments.
Certainly not as easy to make it as it would be at an Ivy, but with hard work a bunch of kids manage to do it every year. I think the business classes are up their with any school and the athletics/partying/beautiful campus/beautiful girls will top any Ivy.
It is worth noting though, that Kelley is much stronger at placing students for Investment Banking rather than the Investment Management side of things (trading, equity research, PMW, etc).
Also, being placed in Chicago out of Kelley is significantly easier than making it to NYC.
How difficult is it to become part of the IB program?
Bump
Not necessarily a one-size fits all scenario. If you get a good internship...does it matter?
Probably going to attend Kelley next year. Hope it is the right choice.
Not sure if mentioned, but I think the one BB that actively takes a lot of IU grads is BAML. "Better recruiting than some ivies" is not accurate, lol.
I did my analyst stint at a top BB (GS/MS/JPM) and there were 2 IU kids in my analyst class. Learned about the IU IBD program from them, and from what I gathered the IB program at IU places usually 1-2 kids at each of the large banks every year. No question that it is not a complete target but if you are a top candidate you can make it to one of the top groups from there.
Seems like a semi-target at best. There's over 1000+ students per class in just the business school alone and only ~30 are in the workshop. Doesn't seem like a great hit rate unless you are the absolute top of that class which is generally the case for every large state school.
Is Kelley worth it? (Originally Posted: 12/29/2015)
Hey,
I'm a high school senior who has so far been admitted OOS to IU with a direct admit to Kelley. I got shit aid though and I'm looking at ~$35k-40k/yr, which will require a bit of loans to attend (possibly $10k-15k/yr in loans). I really love IU, from the campus to the entrepreneurial focus. It is also a relief to get into the business school already. I'm waiting to hear back from my state school UNC, UVA, and Stern (I applied ED2, but I don't think I will get in. If I do, I'm looking at ~$100k in debt, which I have accepted for the ability to obtain a Stern degree). Thing is, if I don't get into Stern, I'm not entirely sure I want to do finance. I've become more interested in tech and entrepreneurship, which Kelley is really good for.
I guess my main question is Kelley (undergrad) worth the debt?
By the way, I'm looking more towards Chicago, SF, or Miami if I go to anywhere not Stern.
I don't think IU is worth going into that much debt.
If you don't get accepted elsewhere, I would go to an in-state university and attempt to transfer later (read the thread here on WSO for transfer-friendly schools.)
Think long, and hard about whether or not it's worth it to go into so much debt. So many kids today (mostly the school's fault) take out loans like it's a small expense without realizing the impact debt has on you.
UNC is a way better school and will cost a lot less since you're in state (if I read your post correctly). Going there if you get in is a no brainer.
60K for Kelley undergrad? I'd say that's reasonable. Not ideal, but definitely something you can swing. I work with a Kelley undergrad at my SaaS start up company. Great guy, very business smart and we make around 60K first job out of school (avg of the pack).
Wait, did you go to Kelley? You refer to "we". I may be reading that wrong.
Kelly is worth it. Don't go to a no-name, shit state school. If you decide that you want to break into finance, you'll regret that decision. Go to UNC if you can though.
I worked with a Kelley guy, and I also have a few good network contacts(they're a popular school for vets) who went their for grad and undergrad.
The picture I get is that doing IB from the undergrad program is very doable but not easy. If you can get into one of the IB programs(requires a perfect WASPy resume + GPA), then you will have no problems landing at a top firm.....most of which do on campus interviews. Big catch is "if" you get in. The undergrads also seem to have very good placement into related corporate finance and big4 jobs.
Fuck that.
I do not attend Indiana U so I can't comment on the campus itself however from what I know about it, I am struggling to understand the negative feedback that it is receiving. Its a top-10 business school according to both World News and Bloomberg. Additionally, its the most affordable school in the top-10 business schools. The difference in education from Indiana and UNC/NYU will be minimal and you'll save money. Seems like a smart decision to me, but then again I'm just a chimp, and these "King Kongs" and "Neanderthals" seem to know everything. Good Luck deciding
OP said UNC will be significantly cheaper than IU for him as he's in state. UNC is ranked 30th on USN vs IU at 75th. UVA over IU is also worth it regardless of any extra cost.
I agree with the rest, I would go for UNC. Strong B-school, in the upper portion of the 10-20 range. Great reputation. IU is not in the same club as UVA/UNC/NYU from a collective school perspective even though it does have a strong B-school.
What is IU (Kelley)'s prestige on the Street? (Originally Posted: 04/04/2013)
Is it considered a target or not? Cause I'm gonna be going there. Chances of getting into finance/banking?
good if you get into the ib club thing
http://kelley.iu.edu/ibn/IBW/workshop.cfm
Okay I see that the IB-W is great so what about their reputation in the working field as in does it translate into the working world?
if you just want prestige/reputation, then no the school is not prestigious. but it is better to get into ib than its peer schools
Semi-target IMO. They have placed people to most of the top banks, but may not be quite as consistent. I went to school with someone that went to GS IBD in Chicago, Moelis Chicago, BAML NYC (now at HF in NY), few guys at Lehman IBD (not sure where they are at now), JPM NYC and CHI, HLHZ LA, MPLS, and to MM groups in Chicago (Blair, Baird, Mesirow, SRR, Lincoln Int'l).
So yea, if you work hard, you can land an IB job.
Aside from that, they are a target for many F500 FLDP or entry-level finance programs (i.e. Cummins, Eli Lilly, Target, General Mills, Discover, etc.).
Kelley's reputation is more than fine. If you work hard there it won't be an obstacle to getting a job in IB.
Well I mean obviously it's not going to have Ivy prestige or even the same as say UVA but yeah okay it sounds like Kelley can put me where I'd like to be as long as I put in the work
IU - Kelley (Originally Posted: 04/21/2013)
Hello guys, I've been accepted to Kelley as a direct admit, and i would like to know whether Kelley is a target or a semi target. I'm an intl student and i would like to work in the US after graduation. I'm aware of Kelley's IB workshop that has a fantastic placement rate, however will the placement for Kelley be good even if i do not make it into the workshop? I may consider transferring to Ross or Mcintire afterwards, and i was wondering if it is worth the trouble. According to the 2012 class profile of Ross, the rate for transfer students is less than 1%. I'm not too sure about Mcintire. Would the probability of being accepted as a transfer be close to zero? Assuming that i do get into Kelley's workshop, how would i compare to attending Ross or Mcintire?
Thanks in advance!
Kelley is a great program. I would say Ross and Mcintire are obviously hire, but Kelley is great nonetheless.
That being said, I would caution you on making any decision based on your ability to transfer. You have no idea how you will do once you get there.
Also, what is direct admit? Is this like a 3+2 where you will graduate with both a BBA/BS and MBA?
Direct admit just means you're in the business school as a freshman. This is why Kelley's admission rate is so high. After next year, however, they are getting rid of it which will probably cut admission rates in half. The workshop acceptance rate is about 40%, and is getting more competitive each year as placement gets better each year. Kelley is trending to directly compete with the uMich/UVA/UCB crowd within the next 3-5 years.
There's always rumors floating around that they're getting rid of the direct admit program but that's just a rumor, not actually true. Also the Investment Banking Workshop has gotten much more popular and had about 230 kids apply for roughly 35 spots this year, it's tough to get into unless you network with current workshop members. Also Kelley is trending upward(ranked 8th by Businessweek this year)
yup, as BTbanker said, that's what a direct admit is, so i will not have to go through regular admission into Kelley. BTbanker, if what you say is true about Kelley trending to directly compete with the likes of uMich/UVA/UCB, it would seem that the education i will receive from them will be "value-added" in the years to come?
I would also like to ask if Kelley places well for it's other disciplines other than IB, (considering it's IB workshop) assuming that i decide not to go into IB but pursue consulting or trading instead?
The have a consulting workshop that's also very prestigious and an Investment Management one too (not sure how strong this one is though).
I'm originally from Indiana so I looked into Kelley when I was applying to college. And like 10 of my close friends that I keep in touch with go/went there, so I know a decent amount about the program.
A quick Google returns: http://kelley.iu.edu/IBN/Members/memberViewForm_1.cfm?gradYear=2014&aff…
so which college did you eventually go to? I'm an international, so I'm not sure whether this placement statistics are of any good to me actually.
It seems kelley is a program on the rise, and for that reason I am seriously considering going there
Kelley rep on Wall Street? (Originally Posted: 01/23/2007)
Hey wasup, before I make my decision to go to Kelley, what's its reputation on Wall Street. I know they are going to be a lot of Wharton's, HBS'S, and Tuck's. For this reason, am I going to get made fun of and not be respected? I was just wondering about it's prestige on Wall Street... Thanks
http://kelley.iu.edu/ibw/
Very prestigous, and they place extremely well within the group. If you get into the workshop, you'll have a great chance at getting placed.
"For this reason, am I going to get made fun of and not be respected?" Yes. If you were my associate, I'd sh*t all over you.
What if you don't get in the IBW? I probably will, but what if I don't have a 3.8ish GPA to get in? Is there still good placement with people that didn't get in it, or are you just plain screwed if you are rejected from the IBW?
then it become a little tricky, they place about 20 through placement outside the workshop. So your chance decrease dramatically.
Kelley School of Business recruiting power (Originally Posted: 04/21/2013)
Can anyone speak specifically to the OCR and name brand recognition for a Kelley MBA in Chicago? Obviously, Booth Kellogg and Ross are going to reign supreme, but will a Kelley MBA get you in the door a good % of the time?
Foot in the door where? What it is it that you're looking to do, exactly? It's my understanding that for CPG, Marketing, Operations, and Supply Chain Mgmt Kelley is a target, and places all over the midwest; presumably Chicago would be included. If you're looking to go BB IBD or some such, then you'd likely have a tougher time.
IB and long term PE. Not necessarily BB, more MM. I have read a lot about their IB Workshop for UG, and they seem to have some good placement stats on their website, but I haven't heard as much about their MBA. I was wondering if anyone has run into IU grads in Chicago in the MM IB world.
Quick background and goals: I have two years of small business management experience following some promotions in my early 20s, transitioned to a boutique lower-MM IB as an analyst. Looking to get an MBA to solidify my transition to finance (UG was not finance specific) and to build a network in the Midwest where I can hopefully land in Chicago long term.
I have a 690 GMAT but a below average GPA, so the top tier of Biz Schools are not an option, so I felt IU would be the best fit given my goals and its credibility. Can anyone confirm my thoughts there?
The MBA program definitely isn't going to be on par with it's undergrad program when it comes to IBD recruiting, so Ross would be better.
OP, you can contact these people who are going into banking as associates.
http://kelley.iu.edu/IBN/Members/memberViewForm_1.cfm?gradYear=2013&aff…
Thank you for the link post BTBanker, going to be very helpful.
Kelley UG Finance Program? - Would really like some info (Originally Posted: 04/10/2011)
Does anyone know anything about IU's finance program. I read on this board that you'll regret going the finance major route. I know they have the workshop, but what should I major in if I want to do something in banking later? My last thread didn't get many responses and I'd really like some info on this.
Here's an old thread I was able to dig up: http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/indiana-uni-kelley-bloomington-fo…
Yeah, that's where I read about the caveats of a finance major at IU. I just want to get some other opinions and advice on the subject.
Unfortunately the search function is down, because there are multiple Kelley threads with the answers you're looking for. Cliffs: - Major in fin+acc - Get into the Investment Banking Workshop; placement is nearly 100%, and they have exposure to both NYC and Chicago BBs; BAML recruits heavily at IU - If for some reason you cannot get into the IBW, get friendly with the Midwest MM space, which is still very competitive (think Baird, Blair, HLHZ, BMO, KeyBanc, etc.)
I used google search. Just putted in the parameters to only search WSO.
Kelley UG Finance Program? - Major? (Originally Posted: 04/09/2011)
Does anyone know anything about IU's finance program. I read on this board that you'll regret going the finance major route. I know they have the workshop, but what should I major in if I want to do something in banking later?
Doesn't matter. Most going into banking study finance and/or accounting, but that's more a function of the people that want to go into banking having an interest in finance and accounting. I know a couple kids that did Business Economics.
Do finance and accounting (it's only like 3 more classes to get the double major), or the BEPP (Business Economics and Public Policy) major. If you get into the workshop you're pretty much guaranteed a job in banking.
If you weren't a direct admit, work your ass off to distinguish yourself from your peers. Get into the B-School, Aim for the Honors Program, and become a leader in your extracurricular passions.
If your goal is the workshop, keep your grades high and look to get some solid internships before your junior year.
I was just browsing the resumes and internships the Kelley students have posted on IU's I-Banking Workshop website. Pretty impressive, especially for the class of 2011 where you can see where they were SA's and who they took a FT offer from.
http://kelley.iu.edu/ibn/Members/memberViewForm_1.cfm?gradYear=2012&aff…
Click the picture for the information.
I can also speak first hand about Kelley. Finance/Accounting is a good route, you will definitely learn a lot. If you do this double major, you cant go go abroad and graduate on time. So if you're looking to go abroad, you'll have to stay an extra semester to get both majors or only do Finance and graduate on time.
Definitely get involved in the finance club, investment management club etc early on (I regret not doing so). In order to get into the IB workshop, they look at past experiences but most importantly, you have to know a good deal about IB. And then its personality from there. Theres also the Investment Management workshop if you want to go into trading/Asset Management.
And if you dont get into either of those, they have the Investment Banking seminar for seniors. Slightly easier to get into. You go through a 6 week crash course and they prepare you for interview. Both the seminar and workshop have 90%+ placement in banking. Good luck
What do you guys think? Target, semi target, or non target? "Kelley" (Originally Posted: 03/19/2007)
So what do you guys think Kelley is? A target, semi target, or a useless non target? Honest opinions here...
P.S. My thread describing what I thought of Mr.Tiger got deleted, so what can you do...
No IU analysts in my BB class, and note that I did not go to an Ivy.
dude it shouldnt matter - if you want it bad enough and have the credentials, you can make it in regardless of whether your school is a target, semi- or non-target
I think it's a non-target, I don't think I've ever heard anything that great about the school and haven't met anyone who's gone to it either.
In the end it doesn't make that big a difference though
You need to grow a thicker skin man. You especially shouldn't let someone online get to you
Semi-target...Chicago offices recruit there.
didnt go there for UG, but I do know that there are a bunch of IU grads on the street- esp those that were in the IB workshop..
i have a pdf of the resumes for people that were in that IB workshop, in it there was a page about where everyone in that workshop placed... it was quite a lot of people. but then i looked at the resumes and a lot of them weren't very impressive. a couple of the resumes i laughed at out loud.
not a target. Not a single intern from IU at my BB firm
the workshop kids do fine.
they're the number one feeder of shoe-shiners on wall street trading floors. in all seriousness though, definitely nowhere close to a target. really a joke of an excuse for a school...
I've never heard of it to be honest.
I know the BusinessWeek rankings and other ranking boards are wrong, but Kelley has been cosistantly ranked in the top ten, excluding this year... How have you not heard of it? Just wondering...
im actually in the workshop myself. for those of you who dont know, the workshop has nearly a 100% placement rate into ibanks. of the 33 graduating students per workshop class, on average 1-2 accept offers at boutiques and the remaining 31 or so all BB. yea indiana doesnt sound like a great school, but the kelley business school is actually top notch--nearly 75 total banking placement FT. since the workshop is only a few years old, a majority of workshop alum are analysts or associates. give it 5 more years, and youll definitely see alum in senior positions. the workshop is already target for DB, jp, bear, BofA, goldman, Credit Suisse (chicago), UBS (chicago), and soon to be lehman.
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