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  2. Hello everyone, I am sharing this because Andy and Patrick said it may be useful for some younger users. I legitimately believe that WSO helped me get my career started. About me: I grew up in the roughest part of town nearby a big city (think Ferguson Mi ...

    102 comments16 Apr 2019 -

  3. 11/30/17 update: This was originally posted in 2014 but I am still able to take questions As some of you know, I'm about to begin by MM IB analyst stint in a week. I've been blogging for WSO for a fair bit of time now and I thought it would be g ...

    52 comments30 Nov 2017 -

  4. My Four Year Plan

    Job Search Advice

    I am currently in the process of laying out my college career. I recently decided to pursue investment banking, and when I began the application process for SA 2019 I realized it was far too late. I did apply to all the BB's and top tier MM's, h ...

    32 comments27 Jul 2018 -

  5. Yes, I know this topic has been beaten to death already. My situation is slightly different than other schools. Finance and economics are both in the business school. I got to a top 50 non target (One or two kids make BB each year, and some make local IBD ...

    293 comments17 May 2018 -

  6. I've been a member of WSO for the past four years and frequently I have seen questions regarding the potential benefits of graduate school, specifically on the value it provides when trying to break onto the Street. So, I thought I would share my sto ...

    42 comments18 Jan 2015 -

  7. I am willing to admit that I did not make it into any of my target schools. I understood in any such industry talked about in WSO, my credential would put me at a disadvantage. As a result, I pushed myself to make the connections and steps necessary to ea ...

    96 comments17 May 2014 -

  8. Mod Note: Each day we'll be posting the top WSO forum posts of 2014. This one was originally posted on 1/25/14 and ranks #19 for the year by total silver banana count. You can see all our top ranked content here. Hey all, As I sit here and prepare to ...

    73 comments18 Dec 2014 -

  9. Moderator Note (Andy): This was originally posted in June 2012. Everyone knows those kids who go to non-targets who do absolutely nothing to help their job situation and freshman summer or sophomore summer don't do anything, but maybe get some manual ...

    89 comments2 Mar 2013 -

  10. Mod Note: Each day we'll be posting the top WSO forum posts of 2014. This one was originally posted on 2/20/14 and ranks #21 for the year by total silver banana count. You can see all our top ranked content here. I just received an IB SA offer this m ...

    46 comments21 Dec 2014 -

  11. My firm is in the middle of recruiting for SAs, and we have been having a bit of a debate in the office; I wanted to see where some of you guys stand on the matter. We do most of our recruiting through OCR, but we also take apps from non target kids that ...

    78 comments2 Feb 2012 -

  12. Quick background summary: First post, but have been using this website for >2 years. Student from a top target who pursued another career and then lateraled from a boutique to IBD at a top BB (GS /MS). I definitely know how hard it is to break in. ...

    46 comments29 Mar 2014 -

  13. Thank You- BROKE IN!

    WSO Success Stories

    WSO Admins and Users, I just wanted to extend a sincere thank you to those at WSO and MI for all of their constructive criticism and advice over the past year. The advice of others and willingness to help kept me motivated to push longer and harder to cha ...

    39 comments30 Jan 2017 -

  14. Is HYP really "better" best state schools (Michigan, Penn State, UT, ect,) Other than the obvious it allows for much more networking abilities with alums in higher places, and that the biggest and most successful corporations recruit from them. ...

    51 comments24 Jan 2011 -

  15. Thanks to everybody on this forum, many of you have been extremely helpful in fielding questions and helping provide me with the opportunity to learn. It's been a tough road full of rejection but all you need is one offer. Top tier MM and ranked on t ...

    37 comments13 Nov 2010 -

  16. H.S-> College-> Financing

    Job Search Advice

    Just found out all of my admissions for college. Only got into San Francisco State. I need some advice on whether or not I should go to SFSU or go to a community college and transfer to UC Berkeley. *Wondering on what is the best thing to do over the summ ...

    34 comments29 Mar 2012 -

  17. Crtique Cold Email

    Job Search Advice

    I attend a non target, but i have been trying to network with alumni from schools in the same state. Hello Mr/s. NAME, My name is XYZ and I am a student at XYZ, majoring in finance. I am interested in investment banking and recently came across your firm. ...

    10 comments12 Apr 2019 -

  18. Rising Senior from non-target for FT Analyst recruitment in LA/SF. I have built some contacts but would also like to apply online for some of the lower tier BBs. SBs for answering the following (honestly and intelligently):- What revisions would you make? ...

    28 comments15 Jun 2011 -

  19. I mean, maybe I'm being elitist here but why do BB 's and other banks recruiting from non-targets? I mean, if they cut hiring it would make sense to fill an entire class with say, 20 harvard, 20 yale, 20 princeton, 20 duke, 20 columbia, etc. Why ...

    27 comments3 Nov 2009 -

  20. Happy New years everyone!, Hope everyone enjoyed their new year and got home safe. I wanted some advice in which internship to choose from. My background: I am currently a sophomore at a non target school double majoring in accounting and finance. My goal ...

    14 comments1 Jan 2017 -

  21. Greenlight Capital and the one and only David Einhorn recently released their Q3 letter to investors. In the letter they released background information on their new hire. This is what it said: ...

    19 comments5 Nov 2012 -

  22. So, I have this friend who I've been trying to encourage to network. I'll call her Esperanza because I really love that word. She has overcome a lot of things already. She is a 1st generation student from a spanish speaking country. She doesn� ...

    19 comments9 Aug 2012 -

  23. Hello everyone! I'm new here and after doing some research, I am wondering which of the following undergrad schools would be better for job prospects (particularly front office positions at BB firms)? I know that they're probably not considered ...

    16 comments7 Aug 2014 -

  24. I am freaking out as I am a recent graduate from a non-target business school, with an 18 month accelerated MBA and can NOT find a job in IB. I decided to go straight through and attain my MBA immediately following my bachelors degree as my institution di ...

    20 comments18 Jan 2010 -

  25. Hi, this is my first post so any help is appreciated. I am a Junior at UW Madison and currently have a 3.3 GPA and am majoring in industrial engineering and Econ. I have been studying trading for two years now, and this summer (did not have a sophomore su ...

    7 comments9 Sep 2019 -

  26. I had my second round for SEO (Sponsors for Educational Opportunities) in December and a follow up interview last week. I was curious if anyone has heard back. I received an email saying that my application was under consideration, did anyone else receive ...

    14 comments24 Apr 2016 -

  27. First post on here. I transition out of the military early next year. Prior to my transition out (approx. 4 months before I am out of work), the military has given me the opportunity to have an internship while still receiving my military pay (this intern ...

    7 comments1 Aug 2019 -

  28. -_- non target ...

    16 comments9 Oct 2011 -

  29. Hello guys, Just wondering what your opinions are. Sophomore transfer non-target looking for a boutique IB or PE summer internship. http://www.razume.com/doc/3/a685192a-5a1f-4722-93f... Thank you EDIT- Updated http://www.razume.com/doc/3/88cedaff-3705-451 ...

    15 comments4 Dec 2012 -

  30. Just got a FT offer from BB (think GS, CS, DB) in NY. I am from a non-target so needless to say recruiting for SA positions was quite difficult. I ended up not even getting a first round interview from anywhere I applied, which I assume was because of my ...

    16 comments27 Jul 2011 -

  31. Hey guys, I've been a lurker on these boards for quite some time, taking advantage of the invaluable information available for college students such as myself. I've "taken" a lot from this community so I figure it's only fair to g ...

    16 comments3 May 2011 -

  32. Hi All, I am a rising senior at a non-target. Would love any constructive criticisms regarding my resume format, content, and likewise suggestions. I am looking at career options such as Big Four advisory, Mid- office at BB, or good corporate finance rota ...

    17 comments30 Aug 2009 -

  33. Wasn't sure whether to post this under AM or HF, but here goes: I'm a senior this year in the honors program of a big state university in AZ. I have a 3.7 GPA and plenty of great EC's.. started a community service club, interned with the De ...

    12 comments1 Feb 2017 -

  34. I'm a 2009 grad from a non-target, mediocre GPA with no banking experience. I got an offer last week from an elite boutique (w/ a signing bonus) and thought I'd share some advice. I think it really applies to those of you w/out a finance backgro ...

    12 comments22 Apr 2016 -

  35. Hey, I was wondering if banking, equity research, or trading is easier to break into (relatively speaking of course as they are all tough) from a non-target? I know all those industries are prestige whores, but is there one that is less whorish than the o ...

    14 comments6 Jan 2010 -

  36. Hello everyone, I am a senior about to finish my CS undergraduate degree and I've been extended an internship offer from Citibank. I am hesitating accepting the offer because I am 3 courses from completing my degree but the program overlaps with my s ...

    8 comments17 Nov 2017 -

  37. Chances at MBB 1st round interview

    Management Consulting

    Hello! I am currently a sophomore at a semi-target/non target and have my eyes set on MBB for an internship next summer (after junior year). I am an engineering major at a top 10 program, with a 3.75 and decent test scores (2100+ SAT). I have done some wo ...

    10 comments9 Apr 2014 -

  38. Hey all, I'm currently a finance major at Miami University (OH) and while I'm enjoying the classes and doing well, I've found it's ridiculously hard to network for top NY internship positions (AM/ IB / ER in particular). I personally t ...

    5 comments13 Dec 2019 -

  39. Hey guys feel free to provide your input. I just finished my junior year at a non-target, went through IBD SA recruiting at a few firms including BB 's with no luck. I am thinking about delaying my graduation to take another shot at SA recruiting Fir ...

    9 comments13 May 2015 -

  40. Hey everyone, I'm currently a senior finance major at a non-target state school, graduating in May with interests in banking. I've been home on winter break and bored out of my freakin mind, so I decided to give my resume a much needed update an ...

    11 comments14 Jan 2010 -

  41. Title says it all, non target ...

    9 comments9 Feb 2015 -

  42. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you! Link here resume non target ...

    10 comments25 Jul 2012 -

  43. This post has been deleted by the user. non target new york city crazy ...

    8 comments27 Sep 2015 -

  44. Hi WSO, I need some help decided on which direction I should go with my job search/ Career. I am interested in pursing a career in ibanking or consulting. I go to Queens College (CUNY), a complete non target in these fields, and I will be graduating in 20 ...

    8 comments22 May 2012 -

  45. I'm currently a 22 y/o student, graduating in 2 years with a healthcare-related degree (NOT an MD) at a non-target, who is interested in pursuing some non-traditional routes- I'm currently considering Consulting, IBD / PE / HF / VC. I've be ...

    7 comments6 Oct 2014 -

  46. IBD

    Investment Banking

    .. mm non target sophomore ...

    7 comments8 Jun 2013 -

  47. http://www.razume.com/documents/24107 http://www.razume.com/documents/24182 (UPDATED Jan 31) I would love any and all feedback on this. I am coming from a part time MBA (small but accredited school), no relevant experience but would like to break into MC ...

    7 comments31 Jan 2012 -

  48. Does non-target status become irrelevant after you break into a BB FO. Or will I have to attain a MBA from a target to become promoted at my company? Have any of you seen a non target at the associate, VP, or MD level (at a solid MM or BB)? Finally, will ...

    7 comments8 Feb 2011 -

  49. Rip apart my resume WSO

    Resume Advice

    Looking for entry level positions in something corporate finance, credit analyst, or maybe something with Vanguard Edit: Here's a link http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/public/187900/Cri... resume non target ...

    7 comments21 Dec 2010 -

  50. Ok, so here is my dilemma. I go to a non target. When I mean non target, I mean its not even on the radar of anyone in the financial community. I could have gone to a top 20 school, but passed up the opportunity to save money. In the past two summers, I h ...

    7 comments7 Jan 2010 -

  51. I have a summer 1st round interview coming up for the IBD of GS, London in about 2 weeks. Can anyone who has gone through this round in the London office share their experience. Just to give you a little bit of info on my background, I go to a non target, ...

    7 comments17 Jan 2009 -

  52. hello all, I am a first time poster just wondering if I can have the WSO crew tearing my resume apart. I graduated in December and got a phone rep position at a fund company since the beginning of this year. I am trying to move on from my current role to ...

    6 comments23 Apr 2014 -

  53. UConn Undergrad graduating early in December 2019 with a double major in math/econ. Expected GPA by end of this semester ~3.6. Doing a ratings agency internship in NYC this summer. Created a club my freshman year. Didn't do much else except work bc i ...

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  54. I go to Uconn, and it has become evident through my past year and half here that it will be extremely difficult to get into banking unless your a D1 athlete or network hard into a boutique. I've been advised by friends and even some alum working at t ...

    6 comments22 Sep 2012 -

  55. Non-target and older student.

    Investment Banking

    How bad of a non-target is this school http://www.hanover.edu/? I've been reading a little on the forums about targets/non targets ect but is there a huge difference in the quality of non-targets? ...

    6 comments25 Jan 2012 -

  56. Deleted

    Job Search Advice

    Deleted non target breaking in ...

    6 comments6 Feb 2013 -

  57. It is Sunday night and I am about to start my second week of the final year of my MBA program. I am still doing a bit of work finishing up a deal with my summer internship at a regional boutique, and preparing to tackle the task of finding a FT gig at a l ...

    6 comments28 Aug 2011 -

  58. Ok, so I'm a rising junior student from a non-target school who plays football and has a pretty good GPA. I currently have 2 offers for the summer and I need some help deciding which one will help me land the IB SA internship I want next summer. The ...

    6 comments10 May 2010 -

  59. Accepting SA--Changing Major

    Investment Banking

    Hi fellow monkeys, I recently accepted SA position at a BB. I haven't gotten official paperwork yet, but on my resume it says I am a certain major. I am currently actually undeclared (long story) but in the process of declaring to that major on my re ...

    5 comments12 Feb 2015 -

  60. I know this has been discussed on here a little bit but did anyone else get an email today from CS virtual recruiting saying there are a lot of applicants and to check our status online and if it hasn't changed they will tell us early next year? I ha ...

    5 comments8 Dec 2014 -

  61. Trends in E&P Banking?

    Investment Banking

    Speaking with a senior person who sits in E&P and more specifically power & utilities. Any good/thoughtful questions to ask at for the end of our convo? Summer BB non target 2015 IBD networking analyst ...

    5 comments7 Dec 2014 -

  62. I'm getting ready for fall recruiting and I will be sending out my resume for networking purposes in the following week. I want to land a position at an Investment bank in their lev fin group. Please review my resume and comment on what I can improve ...

    5 comments7 Mar 2016 -

  63. --- IBD non target sophomore ...

    5 comments8 Jan 2016 -

  64. I go to a non target school. We have a program that accepts 25 students per year and sends them primarily to WF, RBC, and a few others. One per year goes to EVR/LAZ. I'm currently a rising sophomore applying in the spring. There's an MD who went ...

    4 comments7 Jun 2018 -

  65. Hello all, I am an undergraduate BA business undergraduate at Plymouth University with a 2:1 predicted grade. I'll be honest and can accept my A-levels aren't the best. I've been trading for over 6 months now successfully to try to boost my ...

    4 comments1 Mar 2018 -

  66. Hello all, This is a serious question (i.e. not a troll). I know that with bonuses about to be handed out soon, if not already, many who thought banking was for them but isn't will be calling it quits. Additionally, I know some first year analysts fi ...

    5 comments10 Jul 2013 -

  67. How can a Non-Target become a Semi

    Business School and GMAT

    First, I want to thank everybody for their advice on meeting my CEO. I met him yesterday and it went really well I actually view him as a point of reference now. I am becoming a better networker because of the WSO community. I am very grateful. Ok now on ...

    5 comments13 Apr 2012 -

  68. Hey all gearing up for SA recruiting in Jan/Feb was wondering if anyone could offer some advice on my resume. Would definitely appreciate any help. http://www.razume.com/documents/22421 Thanks for your help! Also wondering if anyone has any recruiting adv ...

    5 comments4 Oct 2011 -

  69. I currently go to a non target that begins with a P known for engineering. I'm majoring in Mathematics + Computer Science looking to get into structured finance or trading preferably energy or equities. Currently my schooling is free minus the cost o ...

    5 comments27 Oct 2010 -

  70. I recently graduated from a top 40 (but non target) university in June and have been working since. I was unable to get a job in my desired fields of Asset Management or trading, but I did get a position in a financial analytics (middle office/quantish) r ...

    5 comments27 Aug 2010 -

  71. nvm non target Entrepreneurship public ...

    4 comments8 Jan 2016 -

  72. Looking to get into i-banking, summer plans are not on the resume. resume non target ...

    4 comments17 Apr 2014 -

  73. I am currently a sophomore at a non-target, main objective is a front office SA /Full Time position. Any of your thoughts or opinions would be great. I am currently considering the following positions for an internship this summer: Merrill Lynch Wealth Ma ...

    4 comments4 Apr 2014 -

  74. Thoughts on summer internship?

    Job Search Advice

    Currently a sophomore at a non-target, main objective is a front office SA /Full Time position. Any of your thoughts or opinions would be great. Currently considering the following positions:-Equity Research summer internship with Avondale Partners in Nas ...

    4 comments27 Mar 2014 -

  75. Delete college GPA Undergrad Economics non target breaking in ...

    4 comments11 Feb 2014 -

  76. Applying for summer internships in S&T, IB and consulting, is my resume ok? Non target but school is top 30 USNW for econs non target ...

    4 comments13 Jan 2013 -

  77. My question is on graduating in 2.5 years with a 3.0 and a degree in Economics from a nontarget, or graduating later with a 3.3. I got two D's in Comp Sci 220 and French 101 my freshman year, retaking these courses would bump my grade up to a 3.3. Is ...

    3 comments14 Sep 2016 -

  78. I graduated from Western Michigan University with my bachelors in accounting and I will be complete my Masters in Science of Finance (MSF) from Walsh College in June 2015. I am currently interning at a public accounting firm with the M&A consulting an ...

    3 comments9 Jan 2015 -

  79. Hi Monkeys, I received an offer to work at an Investment Bank this Summer. I'm coming from a non-target, so this is an amazing opportunity for me. By no means am I unhappy with the bank or the group I will be working in (Middle Market Group). My ques ...

    3 comments24 Feb 2016 -

  80. I recently received all of my college decisions and I have decided to attend University of Wisconsin- Madison as an undergraduate. I realize that the school I chose is far from what would be considered a target, but apparently the Investment Banking club ...

    3 comments2 Apr 2014 -

  81. I am a junior majoring in applied math..minor economics at a state school..sure non target. I want to ultimately pursue a career in trading. I want to attend a mfin think..nova or wustl, claremont. I know I will have the gpa and gmat scores, however I don ...

    3 comments13 Mar 2011 -

  82. I'm a senior studying Finance and Economics at a non-target school in Canada. I have an astoundingly poor undergrad GPA. I have deferred graduation by a semester. I passed CFA L1 in December, and will write L2 next June. (I know many consider the CFA ...

    3 comments9 Mar 2010 -

  83. I have a superday with a LevFin group and want to know smart questions to ask for the end of my interview. Does anyone have suggestions on what types of questions I should ask? Appreciate the commentary/help advice senior BB non target FT recruiting grind ...

    2 comments28 Aug 2015 -

  84. hello all, I am a first time poster just wondering if I can have the WSO crew tearing my resume apart. I graduated in December and got a phone rep position at a fund company since the beginning of this year. I am trying to move on from my current role to ...

    2 comments23 Apr 2014 -

  85. Return to Main FAQ Page Target Schools A school is considered a target when a large number of Wall Street firms conduct on campus recruiting ("OCR"). A school's status as a target may vary slightly from industry to industry, firm to firm, a ...

    11 Aug 2011 -

  86. In case you missed our July 23rd webinar entitled Networking from a non-target & tips / tactics to break into BB IB, have no fear. The full recording of the webinar can be found below (free until Thursday night when it goes into our video library). SI ...

    28 Aug 2014 -

  87. Eddie Braverman's blog PREVIOUS EPISODES: NSFW Episode 36: Finance Chicks, Sort Of NSFW Episode 35: The Death Penalty NSFW Episode 34: John Mack, WSO Chat NSFW Episode 33: #OccupyWallStreet, Franc Floor NSFW Episode 32: Eat the Rich NSFW Episode 31: ...

    1 comment12 Oct 2011 -

  88. I got a verbal offer last week but hadn't gotten any paperwork and had verbally accepted. To protect myself I followed up with a person at a bank I was told I would get a superday with, and immediately after I sent him an email HR sent me a superday. ...

    5 Oct 2015 -

  89. When do you find out what group you are in for the BBs? My BB has a group sell day later in the Spring, do they give you group shortly after or do you just find out right before you start? sa Summer Group BB non target placement sell day junior semi targe ...

    21 Feb 2015 -

  90. Ewing Bemiss

    Job Search Advice

    Can a non target get into this firm? non target Salary ...

    1 comment20 Dec 2014 -

  91. Resume Review- MS experience

    Job Search Advice

    . resume finance non target Salary ...

    1 comment6 Mar 2016 -

  92. I'm planning on attending Michigan State since it's my cheapest option. Any advice on getting an internship at a boutique or mm firm and, ultimately, a job? I'm aware I should network, any advice on the specifics of networking? Also, I was ...

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  93. Fellow monkeys, please review my resume before I will attach it to my applications resume non target ...

    24 Dec 2013 -

  94. I am a junior attending a non target university in GA and I am interested in pursuing a career in investment banking. I am interested in landing a summer internship and I understand that in order to accomplish that I will need to network, network and netw ...

    1 comment5 Oct 2012 -

  95. I got lunch today with an alum (non target) former MD from the late 90s/early 00 from a top BB (think GS /MS/ JPM) who still knows some people who work at the company. Had a very good conversation and think she likes me a lot and wants to help me. Problem ...

    1 comment27 Jul 2011 -