Weed, Shrooms, What's Next?

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Canada's had medical marijuana for a while.
Atai is funding American studies for psychedelics to treat depression.

It's interesting to see how these substances went from medicinal use > illegal > back to medicinal over the past couple of decades. Cocaine was even used pharmaceutically up until 1895.

Is this just the natural cyclical progression of substances? Will we see cocaine used medicinally in the near future?

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Oct 11, 2018

Cocaine was medicinally used and still is in select cases.
I've been using drugs medicinally dawg. For many years.

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

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Oct 11, 2018

If you don't need to use drugs--medicinally--does it make you more sane? Like are you mentally/physically superior? Because of the popularity of drugs, I'm really starting to develop a god-like complex being sober.

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Oct 18, 2018

1) It does not. You are not.
2) Other people's desire for treatment (in whatever form) by no means rationalizes your god complex. That's your problem, homie.

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Oct 18, 2018
The Stranger:

1) It does not. You are not.
2) Other people's desire for treatment (in whatever form) by no means rationalizes your god complex. That's your problem, homie.

Ironically, people with a habit normally have a tremendous god complex. The fact that a person has success through the use of any substance does put me a little on the edge, though. I get a little doubtful about its validity.

Isn't addiction associated with some detachment from reality? Such as people who are anorexic but don't believe they're skinny enough, or drunks who don't think they've had enough. One guy I knew explained the feeling as just a need for more. It didn't really matter to him, just more. To keep going and keep doing. It's a shaky world.

You can understand why I'd be concerned by seeing Musk toking up on Rogan's show while running a publicly traded company. Addictive personalities are usually equivalent with impulsiveness. It's not hard to understand the need for a substance but also the go go go mentality that gets you into even the top institutions. But then there's the lack in judgement that seems to occur leading to just royally huge mistakes. It's a very fickle thing.

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Oct 18, 2018

yeh it does, YOU ARE A GOD!! I know what you mean I STOPPED TAKING MY PILLS AND REALIZED WE'RE ALL JESUS!!1!!one

Fuck YOU LEXAPRO stealing MY CREATIVE GENIUS

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Oct 11, 2018

Legalize all drugs. It's easy to get them. We waste billions on law enforcement and imprisoning people and cause havoc on the countries that produce it.

Oct 18, 2018

Nah fuck that, a lot of drugs should be banned because they're bad for all society. I don't want people drunk driving same as I don't want some assfuck on PCP and bath salts fucked out of his mind trying to literally eat kids in the neighborhood park. I'm usually a staunch defender of letting people do what they want, but some drugs are really just bad and should be universally wiped out.

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Oct 18, 2018

That logic implies that illegality stops people from doing it...

Oct 18, 2018

*Control all drugs and make sure people can take most in a decent environment. Imagine if people made a 'drug' theme park where you could go melt your face off acid and it was designed for you not to fuck yourself up and had backup medical attention if needed. A drug playground

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Oct 22, 2018

So like permanent Coachella? I'm in

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Oct 18, 2018

it's a combination of things: more empirical data showing uses for various things like pot for seizures in infants, shrooms & LSD for depression & neuropathy, MDMA for PTSD. that robustness of data helps water down the fear mongers' arguments. on top of that, public opinion and the lessening of negative social stigma.

the whole psychedelic thing is basically an attempt to roll back post-hippie era regulations where people got scared of psychedelics in the 60s, apparently there was research being done on their usefulness in the 50s and earlier, but that got cut off. as I said in a different thread, it will be interesting to see where this goes, because it'd be easy to just make a blanket statement that you should legalize all things with low propensity for addiction and low toxicity (pot and psychedelics fall into this camp, MDMA to a lesser extent), but what is "low?" and what about drugs with legitimate uses but have dependence or other issues? and what do you do about alcohol and tobacco?

and @iBankedUp" you're not more superior just by virtue of being sober. you may think you are, but there's a big difference in you being superior to someone who's a junkie with no self control and someone who uses responsibly. would you say you're superior to @brotherbear who admits to using some uppers on a regular basis? I'd say not, the guy clearly has balance. I'd put myself in that same camp. I'm not suggesting you use, that's your call, but for the drugs with low toxicity, I've not seen high quality studies showing that it exacerbates mental/physical decline more than normal aging.

in theory, I agree with @TNA but I also have a hard time getting past the idea that legalizing heroin is a good idea. but then again, if you believe what happened in colorado could repeat, maybe people will stop abusing opiods if they can get high and trip balls (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/1...)

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Oct 18, 2018

Just to chime in--I also struggle with the notion of legalizing heroin. Even though some countries have certain public programs that revolve around keeping opiates legal, I also did grow up in MA where the heroin/opioid crisis has been absolutely devastating. I know legit several people from my town along who have been long dead from heroin overdoses, and these guys died before the crisis became national news. Sorry, I just cant imagine this stuff being legal.

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Oct 18, 2018

The illegality contributes to the deaths. Why do people overdose? A lot of the times it is because of the fentanyl added to the heroin. This wouldn't be the case in a legal market. On the other hand you are allowing them to have access but you are dramatically reducing the risk and focusing on damage control.

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Oct 18, 2018
thebrofessor:

the whole psychedelic thing is basically an attempt to roll back post-hippie era regulations where people got scared of psychedelics in the 60s, apparently there was research being done on their usefulness in the 50s and earlier, but that got cut off.

A few years ago, my mom gave me her copy of "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" by Dr. Rick Strassman - all about DMT, MDMA, ayahuasca and other psychedelics' effects on the human mind as they relate to near-death experiences, out-of-body experiences and spiritual experiences. The book goes into exactly what you said, about funding getting cut for experimentation on psychedelics.

Interesting book, if a bit meandering and repetitive on the science/medical side of things, but the descriptions of patients' trip... wowzers... I still can't un-remember the story of one guy saying that in his trip he experienced being sexually violated by alligators or crocodiles?!?

I believe that Joe Rogan is included in the filmed documentary based on the book, but I've not seen it yet.

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Oct 18, 2018

Thanks for the shout out. There is a massive difference between addictive and recreational drug use. Some people cross the line. Some never get close to the line. Some never try it at all. I feel neither greater nor less than anyone else due to my attitudes on recreational drug use. Live and let live, am I right?

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Oct 18, 2018

DMTs as anesthesia

Oct 18, 2018

I've definitely seen first-hand the benefits of things like CBD oils and THC tinctures on people with anxiety issues, pain issues, Parkinson's and more. I really hope that NY jumps on the growing bandwagon for legal marijuana and its variations.

As for heroin, as others have said here, I'm not so certain that legalizing all drugs would be the most prudent thing to do, but then I look at drug legalization like I do legalizing prostitution, you could get revenues from it, you could implement safety and health standards and just because it's legal doesn't suddenly mean that people who never did drugs or never visited a prostitute are all of a sudden going to start using drugs or soliciting escorts.

And no one starts drinking liquor, smoking crack or shooting heroin or popping pills because they want to become addicted, but rather when they approach the point of abuse, it's far more to do with they want to become something else that they're not. Regardless of their legality or not, there will be some people who will always over-do it and we need to appreciate that there can be physical addiction AND/OR psychological addiction whether we are talking substances, alcohol, sex, gambling, food, other behaviors, etc.

One of my best friends since junior high became addicted to crack back when we were in our early 20's, roommates and waitressing - she'd quite literally would smoke away her paycheck on a binge. Her boyfriend turned her onto it. He also wound up having a seriously bad time with it, to the tune of stealing his kid brother's game system for drug money and giving his car to his dealer at one of his lowest points and wound up homeless for a time. Today she's married, her son is a college sophomore and she's a registered nurse with a passion for wound care management. Her ex beau is an elevator repairman - never married, no kids. They were each lucky and both managed to turn their lives around with different rehab programs. I know at least some of her addictive behavior came from her not feeling loved as a child and a great deal of neglect that she received [her mom was very hands-off to the point where my friend wound up in foster care for a time before other family members stepped in and she wound up being raised by her grandmother]

Then there are the ones that become statistics, like my brother in law whose alcoholism which began in his teen years and who died before his time.

I've seen a range of family, friends and acquaintances be effected by their personal drug of choice. It's definitely a personal thing, especially if you're using something to alter your memory/mind or fill a hole in your life. When you use to mask/block/contend/handle past abuse, stress or what-have-you, it can certainly become a slippery slope.

I admit I go back and forth occasionally on wanting to try DMT and especially ayahuasca. Hubby says he's done with everything except booze [he was a pretty steady user of coke, LSD, mesc and weed in high school and into his 20's - he tried an edible for the first time in several years on our recent Alaska trip and didn't remotely enjoy it]. I've tried crack, various pills and coke, none of them appealed to me. Although I did enjoy the all-night-long ability to dance that coke gave me in my 20s and 30s when I was still something of a club-kid, I never did like the post-nasal drip or that frozen-face feeling I'd get with some stashes [am guessing it related to whatever was added or whatever it might've been cut with].

The curiosity to try new things is still there, however I'm very content with what weed does for me mentally and physically - I rarely feel a true and deep draw or need to go further with today's offerings of substances.

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Oct 18, 2018

Joe Rogan is loving life right now.

Not too high, not too low

Oct 18, 2018

You guys are so cool

Oct 29, 2018

You just have to ask yourself: do you want people to buy drugs from mafia/cartel goons, or from legit companies that are regulated, taxed, and have some element of transparency/accountability? Because people are going to buy and use drugs no matter what laws you make.

You have to ask yourself: given realistic constraints, what are we trying to accomplish? Because right now, people arguing for all drugs to be illegal are really the lobby for funding criminal groups.

Oct 31, 2018
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Nov 1, 2018