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IB salaries and taxes

helpinghand's picture
helpinghand
     
 
(Monkey, 61
 
Points)
 on 6/18/13 at 9:19am

How does the latter affect the former? Relatives and friends tell me most people get their incomes taxed 30% as a generalization. Do you analysts only take home roughly ~70% of your all-in comp?

Are they ways around this being the shrewd, savvy bankers you are?

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Simple but helpful negotiation advice

David Aames's picture
David Aames
      O
 
(Baboon, 160
 
Points)
 on 5/14/13 at 10:07pm
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Good story from Adam Carolla about negotiating with his radio station kroq in the early days of loveline.

tl;dr version: Adam asked for his salary to be doubled. Because he was realistic about his value he knew his company was undervaluing him, and he knew there was a piece of pie there for him.

I'll paraphrase what he said, important points in bold

To his boss: [quote]"I need my money doubled or i'm leaving, nothing personal, just not worth it for me to be here"
-don't make threats, just need to explain to them what's going on

"i like you guys, i like working here, BUT for the amount you're paying me, it's just not worth it"

So I told them you must double my salary or i won't be returning

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CFA Compensation Survey

Hooked on LEAPS's picture
Hooked on LEAPS
      ER
 
(Senior Gorilla, 805
 
Points)
 on 5/9/13 at 2:44pm

http://www.cob.unt.edu/firel/liu/invest/Supporting...

Anyone have something more recent than 2007?

Edit: And not the 2011 Seattle one.

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Jefferies Pay

billnyethescienceguy's picture
billnyethescienceguy
     
 
(Senior Chimp, 20
 
Points)
 on 5/12/13 at 2:00pm
jefferies.jpg

How is Jefferies these days?

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Flexible Benefits at BAML in London

zapatillas's picture
zapatillas
     
 
(Chimp, 2
 
Points)
 on 4/25/13 at 4:20am

Hi monkeys,

I will soon be joining BAML IBD for a grad position in London.
Do you know how the flexible benefits program looks like? Especially, is a private health insurance a part of that, and does the bank pay for it?
Unfortunately, the BAML helpdesk could not give me specific information.

Thank you guys

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Post MBA/Masters Analyst Comp at Large Asset Manager?

Vagabond85's picture
Vagabond85
      AM
 
(Baboon, 116
 
Points)
 on 4/9/13 at 3:41pm

Trying to evaluate an offer for a post masters research analyst role at a $100 bn+ asset manager. 4-5 years prior experience in AM, with 1-2 in this specific strategy and have passed 2 levels of the CFA. Would be the #4 guy for a strategy/fund with $3 bn and the firm is in a non-NYC/Boston locale. Mentioned I was by far their top choice for the spot. Thoughts on what base and bonus should be? Input greatly appreciated.

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Quick compensation Q at top consulting firms

A Fellow Linguist's picture
A Fellow Linguist
     
 
(Senior Orangutan, 375
 
Points)
 on 4/6/13 at 10:17pm

Hey guys,

I know that this has been discussed in depth on this subforum, but as someone working in investment banking who's being asked about consulting compensation from a friend, I'm not really sure what to tell them.

Can anyone tell me really quickly how much a business analyst at a MBB/Deloitte/Booz firm can expect to make in NYC? Is the pay standardized across entering junior consultants like it is in banking (where analysts across the street more or less make the same base pay)? I took a look at the WSO Compensation Database, and it looks like the pay is pretty variable.

Thanks for any help!

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Would you trade a FO IBD job for a BO finance job if the BO job payed better?

John Daggett's picture
John Daggett
     
 
(Orangutan, 329
 
Points)
 on 3/28/13 at 12:51am

?

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When people talk about "bonuses" does this include signing bonus?

black mamba22's picture
black mamba22
      IB
 
(Baboon, 128
 
Points)
 on 3/22/13 at 10:32pm

This really only applies for new signees (like SAs converting to FT), but when people talk about a first year analyst's bonus, does this include their signing bonus from off the bat, or is this only included in total comp (or neither)?

Didn't use the search function, sorry.

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IBD APAC 2012 Compensation

hkfinancier's picture
hkfinancier
     
 
(Monkey, 34
 
Points)
 on 3/16/13 at 6:41am
Hong Kong

I've been a member of the site for a while already, and while I have gotten a lot of useful info from here, I haven't really contributed anything so far. I've recently came across this newly published APAC IBD compensation report from a headhunter and feel it may be helpful to fellow Asia-based members here. Summary below and also attached the full report for everyone's reference. One thing to note is that the numbers here are very skewed towards the pay in Hong Kong. Hope you guys will find it helpful!

Total Compensation
Senior MD: 750k – 2m+ (3m*)
Junior MD: 600k – 1.25m (1.9m*)
ED / Director: 450k – 850k (1m*)
VP 3: 400k – 550k (800k*)
VP 2: 350k – 500k
VP 1: 250k – 450k
Associate 3: 250k – 350k (425k*)
Associate 2: 225k – 300k
Associate 1: 200k – 250k

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Fun Things I Discovered While Perusing the Compensation Database

TheKing's picture
TheKing
      O
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 5,169
 
Points)
 on 6/14/13 at 4:15pm
Money Stacks

So, I've taken some time to peruse through WSO's 2013 Compensation Database, and it's honestly awesome. I've been on WSO for a while, from my time as a bright-eyed undergrad trying to break into a summer analyst gig, to my time as a jaded banking analyst, seeking out the greener pastures of private equity. The site has always provided tremendous value.

With that said, I think the 2013 Compensation Database is among the most interesting and useful things I've ever seen on the site. The sheer amount of information is astounding, and the presentation and formatting would please even the most hardass of Managing Directors.

I highly recommend you do what you have to do to gain access to it. Whether that's adding info a review for the company you work for, insight into an interview you had, or detailing your comp last year, it's worth it. Plus it's anonymous, so there's no fear of anyone finding out who you are.

Now, I'm not here today to drone on about the benefits of the database, rather, I'm here to share a few of the fun things I found while I was digging through it. Read on to find out what I found...

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WSO compensation report in Forbes

AndyLouis's picture
AndyLouis
     
 
 
(Almost Human, 6,117
 
Points)
 on 3/13/13 at 1:57pm
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2013/03/13/h...

Any #'s you've found interesting?

If you haven't seen the report yet, all you have to do is submit 3 entries into the company database (http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/wso-company-database), even if you've only had three phone interviews you have enough info to submit.

More info:
[quote]Here's how you get access to the full 108 page report:

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2013 WSO Compensation Report has Arrived

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WallStreetOasis.com
      EN
 
 
(Human, 12,192
 
Points)
 on 6/16/13 at 8:00am
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After over one year in the making, the 2013 WSO Compensation Report is here!

Access to the FULL 108 page 2013 WSO Compensation Report is 100% free. This report contains thousands of data points across investment banking, private equity, hedge funds and management consulting.

The report cuts the data numerous ways including division, city, AUM and company type and can help you know if you are getting paid enough. Or if you are an employer, this report will give you an idea of what range you should be paying your employees.

Tutorial video:

DOWNLOAD THE FREE PREVIEW HERE

Here's how you get access to the full 108 page report:

All we ask from you is to take a few minutes to help us continue to build the most comprehensive and accurate database possible. After submitting three total entries (past entries count) to our Company Database (these entries can either be Company Reviews, Interview Insights* and/or Compensation Datapoints), your entries will be reviewed and you will be granted access to the report within 24 hours of submission (assuming we approve your additions).

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Return On Invested Talent (ROIT)

NS-Fin's picture
NS-Fin
     
 
(Monkey, 58
 
Points)
 on 3/7/13 at 5:36pm

Amidst talks on creating caps on banker's compensation in EU this article comes out from one of the HBR's blogs.
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2013/03/im_afraid_bankers_...

It makes a coherent argument on trying to justify comp.

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Tips Bankers Like Waiters

upod01's picture
upod01
      IB
 
(Orangutan, 275
 
Points)
 on 3/6/13 at 9:49am
helpful_tips.jpg

I saw this article in the NY times and I wanted to receive your opinion. Do you think this would open the doors for bribes instead>

[quote]
Tips Bankers Like Waiters

Forget Europe’s bonus caps for bankers. It might make for good publicity for the politicians, but wags in the City, London’s financial district, are already joking about ways to get around it.

So why not, for example, put a ceiling on salaries and let clients reward good service, just as they do in restaurants? That could allow banker pay to shrink to a more realistic level.

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Scientific American: How To Game Your Trading Career

Edmundo Braverman's picture
Edmundo Braverman
      ST
 
 
(Human, 14,704
 
Points)
 on 3/4/13 at 7:30am
trader resume.jpg

I have to admit that I was pretty surprised at the source of the following article. You wouldn't think Scientific American would be aware of the "career put". But here they go pointing out how to make a seven-figure trading bonus on Wall Street with no risk. Hint: it's gonna take an accomplice at a rival firm.

Here is a guaranteed way to get paid well if you work on Wall Street. Find a best friend at a competing bank or hedge fund and take opposite sides of the same large bet. In one year’s time one of you will have a huge profit and get paid well. The other person will have lost and perhaps be fired. The sum of both your profits will be zero, but the sum of what you get paid will be positive. Split the pay.

The author of the piece is a former prop trader who spent 20 years on the Street, and he outlines a couple other ingenious schemes for gaming the compensation system. It's no coincidence that he knows about this stuff, either. He interviewed a math PhD in 2000 who eventually went to work at another bank and "milked the franchise". He walked away with almost $20 million in comp while his firm ate $300 million in losses. The subject of his doctoral thesis? Game Theory.

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Operating Partner Compensation

brotherbear's picture
brotherbear
      PE
 
 
(Senior Gorilla, 780
 
Points)
 on 2/13/13 at 2:47pm

Does anyone know how operating partners at portfolio companies at megafunds are compensated? What sort of equity options could an operating partner at, say, Carlyle expect to be awarded over a 3-5 year period?

Obviously, the answer is dependent on the performance of the portfolio company in that period and the profit-making strategy employed by the fund itself (i.e. you get options on w% of the company for x% EBITDA margin expansion and an additional y% for growing top lines by z% by a specific date).

If someone could point me to standard terms (or anything like standard terms) for the sorts of companies in the portfolios of a megafund's largest acquisitions, I would be much obliged.

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Talking about Compensation in an Interview Process

TheKing's picture
TheKing
      O
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 5,169
 
Points)
 on 2/18/13 at 10:00pm
Pile of Money

Quick post today on a potential interview question that doesn't often get covered on WSO.

It's not one you'll hear during on-campus interviews for your first gig out of college, but it's something you'll likely encounter somewhere down the line. Namely, you'll come across it when you're looking to move into a new position with a new firm. So, what's the question I have in mind?

What's your current compensation?

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Asking about compensation?

jdmar92's picture
jdmar92
     
 
(Senior Chimp, 28
 
Points)
 on 1/25/13 at 8:18pm

A friend of a friend is the first VP at MSSB in my hometown of about 300,000 people and I will be doing an internship with them for 5 weeks this summer. However, when I was discussing the internship with him and his partner I never asked about compensation. Should I just assume that it is unpaid or is there a time to ask?

Also, I am a Sophomore currently.

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Value of MBA in asset management

1337's picture
1337
      AM
 
(Senior Baboon, 191
 
Points)
 on 1/16/13 at 11:20am

This is in reference to a top MBA's part-time program. We all know that full-time allows for better recruiting, career-switching and networking opportunities. This question is about people that work in the industry, are happy with their current firm and will have part or all of the program paid for by their employer.

How valuable is an MBA for climbing the corporate ladder if you already work in the industry? Specifically, the goal is to 1) move from analyst to strategy/PM role and 2) increase comp.

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MM to MF after HBS

Newspeak's picture
Newspeak
      IB
 
(Orangutan, 343
 
Points)
 on 12/30/12 at 12:20am

If one doesn't end up at a megafund after 2 years in investment banking, but rather, ends up at a MM shop for the pre-MBA stint, would it be possible to transition to a megafund after 2 years at HBS or do megafunds only take post-MBA associates that worked at megafunds prior to H/S/W?

My guess is that this is possible if the pre-MBA stint was at a top MM shop like Madison Dearborn or something but would it be possible if one went to a no-name MM shop? This is assuming an MBA at HBS in between.

Also, how different is compensation between MM and MF shops for post-MBA roles, especially as you move up?

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2013 Hedge Fund Compensation Report

crackjack's picture
crackjack
      O
 
(Baboon, 173
 
Points)
 on 12/27/12 at 9:11pm

Just got an e-mail this morning from Hedge Fund Job Digest about this. Not sure how many people they survey for it, but I figure any information like this is always handy. They only provide highlights on the website (and I'm not going to shell out $400 bucks for the whole report), but here are some of the interesting stats they do provide:

- Average compensation for hedge fund professionals up slightly from 2011 to $314,000 / year.

- Average expected bonuses compared to 2011 were up $38,000, or 31%.

- Most respondents reported working between 50 and 70 hours a week.

- "Mean compensation hardly varied at mid-tier to large funds, whether one worked for a smaller fund with just $100 million to $500 million under management or a large fund with more than $1 billion."

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Random Questions on Debt Research

Hooked on LEAPS's picture
Hooked on LEAPS
      ER
 
(Senior Gorilla, 805
 
Points)
 on 12/27/12 at 2:53pm

I heard that debt research is quite a bit easier to break into right now than Equity Research. But before I turn my ER internship hunt into an ER/debt research hunt, I was wondering if anyone here could help me answer some questions.

1) How hard is it to make the transition from debt research to ER or an equities focused HF?

2) Does credit analyst fall under the umbrella of debt research? If so, then it sounds considerably less sexy, with glassdoor.com reporting mean total pay at $65,750 for JPM analysts in NYC. However, bls.gov paints a much better picture with mean wages for credit analysts at $114,730 in NYC.

3) Based on the information above, is it safe to say that debt research people make less than ER people?

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Money as motivation?

Zargo's picture
Zargo
      O
 
(Senior Monkey, 75
 
Points)
 on 11/30/12 at 5:50pm

I'm curious, how viable is using the pursuit of material wealth as your main motivator? Is there anyone on this site hustling in IB or making it to buy-side that doesn't really care for finance/investing or worse, can't stand it?

I'm not gonna lie; I want money. As stupid as it sounds, I want the house in the Hamptons, I want the flat on Central Park, I want the Porsche and the Ducati. I want to get sloshed at the county club with Prestigious Pete after eighteen holes and wake up in a hotel I've never seen before with a champagne hangover.

But I couldn't give a fuck about valuations. So what do you guys think, am I alone in this, or is everyone else on here as money hungry as me?

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Something To Think About

xhongxkongx's picture
xhongxkongx
     
 
(Monkey, 52
 
Points)
 on 11/17/12 at 12:25pm
The other road

I recently came across this video and until now I decided to share it with you guys. It has really made me think about the things I do, why I do them, whether or not I really should be doing these things that I am doing and to what extent to they matter to me and to the ones around me.

Below is the youtube video of Dr. Richard Teo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umLkfADe17s

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Business Development Compensation?

Banker88's picture
Banker88
      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,654
 
Points)
 on 11/14/12 at 11:48am

I got a semi-offer from HR for a business development analyst role at a large financial services / tech firm in NYC. The HR contact basically asked me what compensation I am expecting in order to accept the role. I only said what my recent compensation at banking is and that I expect the offer to be competitive with my qualifications. They kept pushing and indicating that they can't pay the high bonuses that investment banks do, so I said I would have to get back to them.

I have two questions:
1) What is the average range of salary and bonus for such a role for a person with 2 years experience? Glassdoor is down at the moment...

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Wall Street Compensation Projections Are In, And It's Clear Where You Want To Work In 2012

Business Insider's picture
Business Insider
     
 
(Monkey, 41
 
Points)
 on 11/6/12 at 4:30pm
cash-money-hands.jpg

It's been a difficult road for Wall Streeters since the financial crisis, as the industry conformed to new regulations and the end of trusted revenue streams.

But it looks like things are finally stabilizing. That means we're getting a clearer picture of what the new Wall Street will look like — especially in terms of pay structure.

Johnson Associates Inc., a compensation research firm, just released its 2012 report on the financial services industry. It covers everything from investment banking to fixed income to hedge funds. The numbers give us a glimpse of where the money is settling in terms of compensation on the Street.

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Compensation model ?

greggy's picture
greggy
     
 
(Chimp, 6
 
Points)
 on 11/4/12 at 1:11am

I'm wondering what is the compensation model used across consulting firms especially for senior or partner positions.
Probably you get part of the revenue you directly bring in. Another part should be related to the amount of delivery services you directly operate or manage.
Any insight on this? Do you know of any source where I can details on the model being used by MBB or others.

Greg

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Should Bankers Be Paid in Bonds?

Edmundo Braverman's picture
Edmundo Braverman
      ST
 
 
(Human, 14,704
 
Points)
 on 10/9/12 at 8:18am
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Sheila Bair has been making the rounds promoting her new book lately and, by and large, she hasn't said anything that she hasn't been saying for five years now. But one thing she said recently stuck out in my mind and got me thinking about incentives, especially those incentives that relate to banker pay.

There's no longer any question that the compensation structure was largely at fault for some of the ridiculous risks taken during the run up to the subprime crisis. And that's at all levels: from loan originators in strip malls all the way up to Wall Street CEO's. Everyone is talking about banker comp these days (Morgan Stanley's James Gorman even says it's still too high) because everyone is afraid of the next major crisis.

So an idea Bair came up with made some sense to me. Right now (post Dodd-Frank) the compensation structure has been changed to reflect a more sober environment: where bonuses used to be mostly cash now they're cash and stock - some bonuses are even majority stock at this point. The thinking is that the bankers will be more interested in the long term success of the bank (and by extension the bank's stock price) if they have some skin in the game. But maybe there's a way to skew it even further toward cautious stewardship.

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AM Compensation

adast027's picture
adast027
     
 
(Baboon, 129
 
Points)
 on 9/26/12 at 6:41am

Just wondering what sort of compensation someone at say VP level with CFA and 3 -5 years experience would be making at a mid sized asset management firm running US Equity portfolios. Mid sized AUM in the range of $10 - $30mm?

What would base and bonus look like?

Does it get significantly greater when you reach the levels of PIMCO of Wellington?

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Where do i even start..I learned so much from this forum. The brutally honest opinions, sincere willingness to help, the technical information and random tips on everything has been absolutely crucial for me landing this offer. Coming from a non-target I didnt get that 3rd year SA position at...
Thank you WSO! Got my FT Offer! ADVICE NEEDED
When I first started as a PE analyst, I constantly struggled with judging the amount of time I should spend on reviewing sourced deals. How much time is enough to really get a handle on the company’s revenue streams? How granular do I need my analysis to be on industry threats? With this...
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Fellow Primates, We are looking for 1-2 students on each campus to help WSO in its sales efforts to student clubs/career centers, and overall promotion at your school both online and on the ground. Below is a description of the position and benefits...thanks in advance for your help! <a...
WSO is Looking for Campus Reps For Summer/Fall 2013 (and beyond)
Many of the questions that have come in surround recruiting for front office Wall Street careers from a non-target so we’ll start with some ideas for recruiting, move on to interviewing, preparing for the job and finally long-term career management advice. Before we begin, it has been...
Stand Out as a Non-Target: Recruiting (Part 1 of 4)
Any Asset Management people here who could give me some insights on it, such as the nature of the work, the pay, the hours, the potential for career advancement, ect? I was looking into IB before but I've decided that I would rather pursue a career that's more intellectually...
Asset Management a better choice than Investment Banking?
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