As the title says... I have crunched this model for like a week but still not balancing.... The attachment is the operating model page emits all the revenue and expense build since those are all estimates. As you can see. I have only got 2015's balance sheet and income statement but not cash flow. T...
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Good evening everyone! (or whatever time it is in your time zone), I wanted to open up some time for Q&A with the WSO community. WSO was a very helpful tool in helping me pursue internships and gain knowledge on particular areas in finance, specifically IB, PE, and VC related. I believe it is on...
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At least that's what David Siegel thinks. While certainly not a huge name in the industry, the guy seemingly has some good firsthand experience-- and isn't afraid to disparage the model of venture capital as a whole. I believe venture capital is broken, both for LPs and entrepreneurs. While the ve...
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Does Ross or Stern hold more weight in terms of recruiting and landing positions in PE or VC firms? I like both schools and am about to decide on Ross, but my parents believe Stern would be better because it is located in NYC and is a private university. I am from north Jersey so I do eventually wan...
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Hi I am in fact evaluating an offer of in house FIG M&A Corp Development. I am age 30, been in the industry and consulting and thus offered this Corp Development role. The deal volume will be huge and I am thinking if I would be able to pitch myself for PE after 2-3 years in Corp Dev. Should I ...
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The title says it all - I just went through a 2 hour lbo model, and my balance sheet didn't balance. I did get down to sponsor IRR...but just wondering if the unbalanced balance sheet is a dealbreaker...? ...
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TL:DR: Bonus was $14k this year, and I'm having a difficult time staying positive, what should I do? Full backstory: Joined a small PE shop shortly after school. First year bonus was 0. Reviews were good, no issues, superiors said that they are still early in the J curve and couldn't afford to pay a...
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Hi guys, regarding the semester abroad I had the idea to choose a country with a strong SWF so that I would be able to present a coherent story when applying for a position there after a few year in Banking. I read a few positive stories about ADIA, Mubadala and Aabar in the UAE, but also GIC in Sin...
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I'm in my late twenties, have a non-target background, and have been accepted to a #10-15 business school and small MM PE firm (although it would only be a temporary role <5 years). I have not worked in PE before. Which do I take? ...
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Hi all, See here: http://www.askivy.net/articles/private-equity/inte... Not sure how to forecast the change in working capital (there is a funding gap at the beginning, but then? should the change in working cap be equal to year 1?). Got SBs for any help. ...
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Hey Guys, I have an interview with a private credit fund this week. I am currently in associate at a boutique IB and am interested in learning more about the day-to-day of a private credit analyst. I am trying to leave IB primarily to get away from the spontaneous hours and working weekends. I do n...
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I am a junior at a non-target and currently work in startup and SME consulting for a F100. We regularly work with local angels and venture capitalists to raise funding for our clients. This summer I will be interning at a local private equity/venture capital firm (1bn Aum), while also working part-t...
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I have been in TS at a mid market Big 4 for several years now. I have been actively looking for a number of jobs, however, nothing has come to fruition quite yet. My fear is that I will get too far into Big 4 that I will become too "specialized" and be less attractive to potential employers. 1) ...
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Hey all. I am thinking about doing a masters degree in the UK (I am American) for various reasons (money, time etc). However, my grades are not good enough to get into the top tier schools (Cambridge, Oxford, LSE, St. Andrews). I was just curious as to your thoughts whether or not firms (national an...
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Hi there, am hoping to get your view on the appropriate carry structure (as well as base + bonus range) - $100 - $200mn VC fund - I will join before securing anchor LP (i.e., have not started fundraising) - Joining as senior associate (4 years of BB IBD experience) - 1 to 2 partners (depending on fu...
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How common / likely is it to move from secondaries PE to direct PE? Wondering if moving into secondaries will rule out any chance of moving into direct PE down the line, if secondaries doesnt prove to suit long term This is at the Associate level btw ...
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So I am looking at SaaS business model. They are paying re-sellers a trailing commission of the clients that they sign-up/sell to. It's 10% annually of whatever revenue their client pays. There are no upfront costs to the company. How would you calculate the cost of customer acquisition? Someon...
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Just curious, do superstars go into buy side right away or do they go into a top bb group? ...
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Would putting a 740 GMAT on your resume during PE associate recruiting (out of IB) help or hurt? I'd really appreciate if someone could shed some light on whether or not GMAT helps and if 740 GMAT is acceptable by MF and top MM funds. For context, not trying to compensate for low SAT or anything. J...
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What is the correct way to model a minority position in a company, financed with a combination of new leverage and convertible preferred securities? For example: Assume the founder of the business owns 51% and a sponsor owns 49%. With new leverage and sponsor equity, the new sponsor would purchase t...
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Hello, I was in the US Air Force for 4 years, left to finish college at an extremely non-target college in the southwest and was able to break into Private Equity for a state pension fund. I have competed against peers from all over the country, including some a Ivy League schools and have worked ...
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Can anyone recommend any VC books for non-business student? If it matters, I am particularly interested in biotech/pharma. Thanks. ...
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Hello all, I am looking at a company with inventory that gets financed through its vendor at ~1% interest. The company books this as part of accounts payable. Question is, does this get treated as debt and will the equity purchase price get reduced by the value of accounts payable (portion that a...
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Hey guys, I've been searching around the forum, and haven't found an exact answer to this, so maybe someone could help me out with an educated take. I am an Ivy League undergrad Worked in IB right out of school, on the coverage/M&A side at a BB in NY (not GS/ms/JPM, but top 5-8 let's say) for ...
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tl;dr: Are there opportunities to intern at a PE firm for a few months post-MBA before your full-time offer starts elsewhere? Does anyone know someone who has done this? Long version: Hi everyone. I'm trying to do some planning around my second year of business school, and I'd really appreciate if y...
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Hey fellow monkeys! I just received an offer from an alumnus that I could either help him in operations for the acquired firm or that he could refer me to similar firms that would want investment valuation (deal sourcing, valuation) help. I assume an investment valuation role would be more applicabl...
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How helpful will a freshmen PE search fund analyst internship be for future IB job? ...
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Hi WSO Community, I have a 5th round interview with a PE fund next week and I've already proven my modelling and personal skills and so on. What they want to see now is my commercial view on two companies they've sent over. They really stress the fact that they want a strategic and commercial view,...
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I am currently a consultant at a solid consulting firm and am currently in the private equity recruiting process. Wanted to reach out and ask all these experienced professionals out there - how much do the skills you work in an investment banking translate over to the buy-side? What I'm trying to ga...
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Hi everyone, Just wondering where to find out information on the state of the PE secondary market as well as any notable deals that have happened recently? Thank you. ...
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Guys I need advice. I'm in a PE MO/BO A few months ago, the trading desk in my fund has an opening for a junior person. I expressed interest to the VP I work with and then I've met with 2 of the MDs. Both told me that I will need to meet with 1 more MD (guy who basically runs things, whom I've never...
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Hey All- I have been negotiating an offer with a PE firm to come on as a VP. I actually have worked for this same firm before, left for a few years, and now they have roped me back in. They are currently in the process of raising their second fund (sub $500mm target) and since it is still small, my ...
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I work at a small PE firm who wants to send myself (2nd yr analyst) and an Associate (MBA grad) to an advanced modeling course. We both have solid modeling and excel skills, but need to be fine-tuned. What are the top advanced modeling courses out there that would fit our experience? I know there ...
|4||1 week 12 hours ago|
How does financial modeling differ in growth equity and LBO shops? Would one come away with vastly different technical expertise from working at either type of PE shops (assuming the growth equity shop does not require cold-calling)? ...
|5||1 week 12 hours ago|
Hi All Do any of you think you could answer a question I have on recycling and reinvestments in an LPA/private equity context? If so, I will post my acutal question (it's about, amongst other things, how a GP can get carried interest on proceeds that are withheld from distribution or recalled from L...
|5||1 week 13 hours ago|
Hi All - I'm in a bit of an odd situation. I have an upcoming final round interview tomorrow with a MF in the west coast, but the headhunter who is helping me out with that process also emailed me about another position for the same MF in NYC (different industry vertical). I need to respond to the ...
|0||1 week 13 hours ago|
I know the GPA questions have been churned out several times, but there seems to be some conflicting information. I'm an incoming IB analyst at a 2nd tier BB in a group that traditionally doesn't recruit as well as others at the firm. To my knowledge, none of the current analysts have been extended ...
|0||1 week 16 hours ago|
Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone has downloaded lbo model tutorials? I'm looking for something cheap, and this is much less than one on one sessions. Thanks. ...
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This came up awhile ago. I thought it was a pretty neat question. How would you guys answer it? You have an illiquid investment in an asset in which you put in $50m of equity and has $135mm in debt. It is not generating any cash. You have $120mm of excess cash to invest. You can inject $120mm to get...
|19||1 week 21 hours ago|
Any one has experience or insights on this, particularly on culture and compensation? They spun out from CDC and invests extensively in em (Africa, Latam, China, South Asia) ...
|0||1 week 21 hours ago|
I have an MBA and am now a seasoned associate. I've always heard that it is "too late" to get into PE at this stage, but is this really true? Is it too late because the comp is less dramatically different (assuming no carry)? Or is it too late because I would be the oldest PE associate and competing...
|6||1 week 1 day ago|
Hi, My question is pretty simple: I'm willing to work in a venture capital/growth equity/private equity firm but I'd like to have a life too. What are the average working hours in each of these sectors ? What's the best for the work/life balance ? Thanks in advance for sharing your experience! ...
|6||1 week 1 day ago|
Mod Note (Andy): Make sure to see Northsider's response to this post in the comments or by clicking here I am about 3 weeks removed from receiving three PE offers (from MFs and top MM firms), both elated and relieved to be done with such a crazy process. I saw that another user commented saying he'd...
|55||1 week 1 day ago|
Has anyone heard of them? They raised their first $204MM fund in late 2015 and have made one investment so far.http://sbjcap.com Any info on reputation of the team or anything really would be appreciated. Thanks! ...
|2||1 week 1 day ago|
I have realized you can make a good life in the corporate world, however still lacks the potential to build significant wealth through equity potential. I have worked through the corporate ladder very quick, now at 30 holding a VP Finance role acting as CFO for a $1.3B region of a global company. ...
|0||1 week 1 day ago|
Hi All, I'm having trouble finding info on private placement agents. Can someone elaborate on the topic with regard to responsibilities, comp, and best groups/firms that specialize in private placement? Thanks very much! ...
|3||1 week 1 day ago|
Hi all, Has anyone ever met with TA Associates ? What are your views on them (people, culture, sourcing model)? What happens after the 3-year programme ? What are the exit opps? If anyone has more information on their European activities, they are also more than welcome. Thanks a lot! ...
|0||1 week 1 day ago|
Hello everyone, I have an upcoming internship interview with an real estate private equity, can anyone shed light on what type of questions they are likely to ask? I am a third yr finance undergrad. ...
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I'm currently an incoming analyst at a Financial Sponsors group at a European BB in NY. I go to a non-target school and will graduate with a 3.5 GPA. My SAT scores are really bad as well, would probably omit them from my resume during recruiting. I know my chances of breaking into a reputable MM PE ...
|0||1 week 2 days ago|
Hi all, I would like to hear advice on how to evalue the offers since the two offers I got are clearly different. In particular, 1. I would like to hear about the thoughts on what elments you consider for choosing two very different offers (see below notes)? 2. Could anyone share experience with a ...
|0||1 week 2 days ago|
Can people place into healthcare equity out of an MHA program? If not, do the other 3 routes below seem plausible? 1) start MHA program -> summer intern with Healthcare IB -> graduate with MHA -> break into healthcare IBD -> work for a couple of years -> break into healthcare PE after...
|0||1 week 3 days ago|
Hello - I have an upcoming first round at a leading infrastructure PE firm. I have focused my recruiting primarily on traditional PE focusing on LBOs, but came across this opportunity and decided to interview for it. What I find somewhat interesting about this position is the investments take vario...
|2||1 week 3 days ago|
A few questions on REIT LBOs. 1) What happens when a company does an LBO of a REIT? Does the REIT maintain its status and continue to pay dividends to the company that bought it, or does it stop paying dividends and start paying taxes? 2) What does a cap stack usually look like in a REIT LBO? Is hig...
|2||1 week 4 days ago|
Wondering where do best UPenn M&T (Wharton + Penn Engineering dual degree) undergraduates go immediately after graduation? And, also, where they have reached to in their careers after 5-10 years? ...
|1||1 week 4 days ago|
Hi all ! I've been struggling with CIQ for a week now and what I can tell is that despite several user guides found on the Internet i am still not able to find what I'm looking for on this database... In fact for the quantitative step of my thesis, I need to build up a sample of European LBO deals w...
|1||1 week 4 days ago|
Hi guys - I've been in the process for a PE mega-fund for the past month and have advanced to the final rounds. These interviews are going to be with senior partners and MDs of the firm. I do know that there is only 1 spot they are hiring for this coming summer, and headhunters have told me that th...
|1||1 week 4 days ago|
Does anyone know of any firms that'd take an interest in distress companies under $20mm? I'm in the real estate space myself and have little/no familiarity in the vulture/distress world, but had a deal hit our desk regarding a company that'll be going into a bankruptcy sale in the next couple of mon...
|1||1 week 5 days ago|
Just curious to know if anyone has any information on this firm or knows anyone who has worked there? I'm looking for info on the culture, hours etc. and how it might compare to other Denver based shops (Platte River, KRG, Bow River, KSL, Lariat, others) Only info available on WSO seems to be quit...
|5||1 week 6 days ago|
I was admitted to Wharton and Columbia undergrad, and I have to make my decision soon. I definitely want to pursue an MBA regardless of where I go, but I'm wondering: coming out of Wharton and having spent time on the Street, would MBA programs (like HBS) give me a hard time since they'd think I'm j...
|12||2 weeks 13 hours ago|
I have a take-home case study where I have to develop a process and timeline for capital calls to be sent to investors with enough info and with enough time for the investor to wire money to the fund in time for the fund to invest in the underlier. I have a hedge fund background with light PE exper...
|3||2 weeks 18 hours ago|
For anyone looking for something very unusual/off the beaten track. awful pay but living in boulder/travelling all over the world, very smart guys... If I wasn't tied down on the otherside of the world I would be looking at this... Very different, but very excitinghttp://unreasonablecapital.com/ htt...
|0||2 weeks 1 day ago|
I've got a few models here and there to look at and practice with, but they are from BIWS (which is fairly straightforward) or some that are very very messy... I was wondering if anyone have a few good examples to share with me? Something I'd like to see is how dividend recapitalizations are includ...
|32||2 weeks 1 day ago|
I have an offer to start at a MM PE fund with a strong track record, but am interested in transitioning to the tech industry and the PE firm does not make technology investments. Should I be worried about not being at firm that focuses on technology (either technology-focused PE or a VC firm) - and ...
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Hello, I am looking for PE firms in China that invest in Startups overseas. We are in Canada, coming to Shanghai next week, and trying to connect with firms that invest overseas in IT mainly cloud based solutions, and willing to give us time to present our company. any ideas ? ...
|0||2 weeks 2 days ago|
Hi guys: Has anyone heard of this company? They seem to be a boutique VC/PE shop but I wasn't able to find them on Glassdoor or anything. Can anyone comment on the legitimacy of this? Thanks! ...
|0||2 weeks 3 days ago|
Hey everyone, I am from New York, but I am going to be interviewing with an investment advisory firm out in Los Angeles (SEIA Signator). They have 5.1 billion AUM as of December 2015, and growing. I am a 22 year old that graduated from college last May (Syracuse University) with a degree in Commun...
|0||2 weeks 3 days ago|
Hi guys, I'm a 2nd year MBB consultant (post-MBA level), currently looking for opportunities in PE. Majorly interested in the operation side, but open to all opportunities. Got a couple of questions here: 1. Where can I find a list of PE firms with a operation branch? I know about KKR, Bain Capital,...
|0||2 weeks 3 days ago|
I'm considering attending Wharton undergrad over Columbia, but I'm not too sure yet. However, I'm wondering if anyone knows what the average GPA at Wharton is, what is a competitive GPA to come out with, and if Wharton kids spend A LOT of their time studying? Will I have to replace socializing for s...
|3||2 weeks 3 days ago|
I am starting a full-time private equity position in SF soon (middle-market fund). Is there anything that I should do to prepare myself for the job to make sure I start off on the right foot? Or is everything just on the job learning? ...
|1||2 weeks 3 days ago|
Has anyone interviewed for IFC Inv. Analyst? Looking for some advice on 2nd and 3rd round, particularly the case study/modeling test on the 2nd round. I have no idea about the time limit and the type of analysis required. DCF? IRR? etc? Appreciate your feedback! ...
|0||2 weeks 4 days ago|
My experience bridges three worlds: investment banking, private equity, and startup life. Here's my story, in a nutshell: I graduated from the University of Texas at Austin's Plan II and Business Honors programs and was hired directly out of undergrad to GS. I worked in the firm's Special Situations...
|101||2 weeks 5 days ago|
Does anyone have any direct contacts at the following recruiting firms that they'd recommend? I will eventually reach out to someone at each of these firms, but I wanted to get a recommendation from a monkey here before I arbitrarily pick a headhunter... GloCap AmitySG Partners Henekel ...
|2||2 weeks 5 days ago|
My university wants to purchase access to the private equity prep package. Is there any product they can buy that they can then distribute to their students? Prep sites often provide a subscription model to universities. ...
|1||2 weeks 6 days ago|
First, I apologize if I'm not posting in the appropriate forum. I'm a law student currently working through an assignment for a private equity course. For the assignment, we've been provided with a fictitious, privately held corporation with a very lofty valuation. Our assignment is to negotiate a s...
|3||3 weeks 7 hours ago|
Hi Monkeys, Hope you are all well. My question: looking to eventually break into PE. I currently have offers on the table from a boutique Financial Services-focused IB in NY and a boutique management consulting firm (NY or SF). Trying to decide between the two offers, given my goal of eventually en...
|0||3 weeks 10 hours ago|
Hello, I am a Brazilian M&A lawyer and next year I will be applying for my MBA. After my MBA, I would like to get into PE and my question really is: what are my chances in getting into PE. Just a little bit of background, I have 2 year experience in M&A law, have already two business post-gr...
|5||3 weeks 13 hours ago|
I currently work in the NYC office of a middle market mezzanine debt firm. We're a bit unusual in that we hire the majority of our analysts directly out of undergrad instead of from banking. I started out of undergrad in Summer 2015. We have sort of a two year analyst program, though there's definit...
|4||3 weeks 14 hours ago|
Anyone have any insight into compensation? Tasks include: (i) monitor portfolio, (ii) analyze portfolio company financial statements, loan covenants and other credit factors, (iii) prepare financial updates and quarterly valuation materials for investment team, and (iv) participate in new underwriti...
|2||3 weeks 16 hours ago|
Got this recent case study for LBO/Returns Analysis modeling, and really need some help trying to figure out how to attack this - can anyone provide some help or answers (DM is also preferred)! Specifically with: - How do I structure this out (steps - i.e., make sources/uses, then P&L (do I go t...
|47||3 weeks 16 hours ago|
I am currently interviewing for an assistant BD role out of undergrad. The firm has ~1 B AUM. The position would of course be more heavily weighted on calls than actual analysis, a bit of a shift from jobs I'd been pursuing (ER, Prop Trading, Consulting). However, from what I have read about busines...
|3||3 weeks 17 hours ago|
Does anyone have any insights on Ironwood Capital located in Avon, CT? I have an interview with them next week for a Private Equity Analyst position and want to know as much as possible. Thanks gents! ...
|0||3 weeks 17 hours ago|
After almost 5 years spent in M&A, IB (coverage group) and Merchant Banking, I am now looking for advice on how to transition into fund placement. I have read quite a lot about this topic and I want to join a group in charge of raising capital for Private Equity (and Hedge Fund) firms. From my p...
|8||3 weeks 18 hours ago|
Does anyone know of any shops still recruiting? I've met with all the recruiters and I thought the meetings went well, but I've only had one interview. Yes I know it's off cycle (as subject indicates im looking for summer 2016), but I would have figured I would have had some interviews by now. It ju...
|4||3 weeks 19 hours ago|
If there was a company for sale that a PE firm (and possibly other PE firms involved in the blind bidding process for said company for sale) felt was extremely valuable, how often does it happen when they will decide to bid higher than their original IOI bid after the DD process? I.E initial IOI ran...
|0||3 weeks 1 day ago|
Managed to leverage my network and land an interview with a small fund for a business development role. My current experience is in operations in the Asset Management space (just finished my first year) and i graduated from a non target. Any advice from someone currently sitting in a biz development...
|1||3 weeks 1 day ago|
Please shed some light on the PE/HF placement of these guys? Which would get more looks for PE/HF placement? Please advise! ...
|2||3 weeks 1 day ago|
Hi All So work in Corporate Strategy in a Multinational, I have been here for close to a year. Prior to a that I worked as a investment banking analyst for over a year. I am interviewing for a private equity/Project Finance role. I have been through all the interviews; technical, modelling test. Met...
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Anyone have insight into these two funds that used to comprise PNC Equity Partners? I know the old PNC Equity used to be a big player in the MM manufacturing and distribution space, but how are these two doing? Also, thoughts on B-School placement and living in Pittsburgh as a young person would be...
|15||3 weeks 1 day ago|
Hi Guys, I have several interviews coming up and I have started practicing case studies. I have done a search online and saw the below case study posted on WSO several years ago. Can someone help me with this? I am not sure how to treat the shareholder loan... How does one approach this? Appreciate...
|0||3 weeks 1 day ago|
Hey everyone, got a quick question. I have a job offer from a well known consulting firm for a position that has a fancy name (Transaction Services/Corporate Development Analyst) but is essentially a pricing role that helps structure and shape deals/bids for projects using internal cost models. It's...
|4||3 weeks 1 day ago|
Closing in on acquiring a lower middle market business services company located in the southeast. Any recommendations on DD/Transaction services providers in the area? Thinking the big 4 might be too expensive for the deal size ($25mm rev., $3.75mm EBITDA), but maybe not. Haven't used anyone in ...
|3||3 weeks 2 days ago|
So I took a really scattershot approach to IB recruiting during both my SA and FT processes, and it basically worked well and was expected by all parties; those who answered helped my process and those who ignored/might have been annoyed probably didn't hurt or were diluted by the number of active l...
|7||3 weeks 3 days ago|
Hi WSO members, I am pretty new to this site.I am thinking of joining NYSF investment banking internship program in the coming months.What do you advice will it be great to have an internship and will it help me out for networking opportunity. Regards, Sam ...
|2||3 weeks 3 days ago|
Hi all, I'll be doing latam investment banking, and I'm just curious what prospects are for private equity in the region. Ideally, I want to do Latam PE, but I would prefer to be based out of NYC at first. What are the top firms in Latin America, and how do their funds typically operate? What is t...
|7||3 weeks 5 days ago|
Does anyone have experience with interviewing at Summit Partners in recent history? I was looking into their site and business model and I think their sourcing model is a great fit with my background and skill set. Understand the interview process will involve a walk through resume, potential cold c...
|2||3 weeks 5 days ago|
Monkeys, There's been a flurry of fundraising in my sector and many funds have been raised in the past 6 months from notable names. I'm interested in hearing if any monkeys have side-stepped the headhunter process and reached out to new funds directly to get there. If so, could you elaborate on your...
|2||3 weeks 6 days ago|
I am aware that some post-MBA Associates are eventually told that there is no path to VP for them, and are kindly asked to leave the firm. What do they do after that? Is it possible to move over to another firm in an Associate or VP role? Or do they move on to a completley different industry? ...
|5||3 weeks 6 days ago|