Is anyone else going to join Truth Social?

Trumps new social media launched and its already at the #1 in App Store rankings. I downloaded it and made an account but it put me on the waiting list. The app seems to have a lot of bugs and issues, however I assume over time they will adjust them since they seem to be simple fixes. The interface looks better than Parler, but the downside is that I don’t see non conservatives joining it anytime soon since it has the name “trump” attached to it. I think it can be nice to see some conversations that would be banned on other platforms, but I don’t think it will be as big as Twitter or Facebook. What do y’all think ?

 

Definitely don't think it will be as big as Facebook which has close to 3bl MAUs. Twitter though only has 330ml MAUs. A comp might be Rumble which has 40ml MAUs and growing. 

I wouldn't hang your hat on it becoming as big as Twitter but definitely a possibility if you include U.S. / Canada / Western Europe Australia. For instance, Rumble's country share of usage breaks down as 60% U.S. / 10% Canada / 5% Australia / 5% UK / 20% Other. Though if it even reaches 100ml MAUs this thing will be a home run as that is more than sufficient scale with which to monetize users effectively (esp when they belong to a more homogenous demographic).

I'm curious what cloud is hosting this site. Amazon / Google / Microsoft I'd imagine would on principle refuse to host it because it wouldn't be an inherently liberal service, perhaps one of the Chinese clouds like BABA / Tencent? They could use on-prem server racks but that would be much less efficient   

 

None of those are running the services.  That is part of the reason it has been so delayed.  They legit built their own infastructure.  They are one of only a handful of social networks that run their own iron. 

 

Ah makes sense. In that case I'm curious as to what the cost delta is (a few % pts isn't a big deal, but if it's 10%+ more expensive that can be challenging...though if FB with its >30% OM is any indication there's probably some decent wiggle room)

 
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The terms of service further added that users would be forbidden to "disparage, tarnish, or otherwise harm, in our opinion, us and/or the Site".

A "free speech" website where you are not allowed to say bad things about the website or its owners 😂😂 

 

Twitter wasn’t free speech for Trump was it? 

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Twitter wasn't free speech for Trump was it? 

Yeah Drumpfy definitely walked right into that one. The entire spiel laid out as mockery by Drumpfy is actually exactly what Twitter is known for being, and Trump was one of the biggest examples of that.

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Trying to stop the transfer of power in a Democratic country =/= saying a website sucks.

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And even if it was, wouldn't that make Truth Social just as bad as Twitter?

 
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But the CCP and various terrorist groups across the world still have their Twitter accounts up. The point isn't so much that Twitter banned Trump, but that the standards were undeniably unevenly applied. Uneven application of the rules is discrimination. 

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Stay around the internet long enough and you realize that any community that allows free speech will eventually become right leaning. 

Ill consider using the app if they actually allow discourse. Am not worried about being disagreed with

 

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 If you say something bad against Trump or the owners not only can you be IP banned, but you can be sued as well!

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Is it fair to be skeptical that the courts would be biased or be paid off by Truth Social? I'd be skeptical considering only a very limited court system is allowed in disputes.

TLDR: I'm avoiding at all costs for now.

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You...uh...do know that all those excerpts you want us to all know about and get worried about are also the same in the ToS here for WSO, right?

The poster formerly known as theAudiophile. Just turned up to 11, like the stereo.
 

it's going to get hacked in like 2 months

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.
 

What do you think Twitter is?  If you were wondering here is the rough user activity for Twitter.

- Users ~150M

- MAU ~ 50M

- DAU ~ 15M

- DAU that post tweets ~ 2.5M

- DAU that post tweets daily ~ 1M

- % of DAU that tweet daily that do more than 1 tweet per day 10% 

- Rough political distribution of that 10%  - 15% communist/socialist 80% democrats 5% all spectrums of right of center.  

Of twitters entire user base there are roughly 100,000 users that use the platform religiously.  Let that sink in. 100,000 users (excluding companies) of a user base of more than 150,000,000 people create 80%+ of all of the tweets.  Twitter is the very definition of an echo chamber. 

 

The farmer (Devin Nunes) that TFG hired to run the site has caused it to crash. Massive waitlists, error messages. It will be a circular Republican firing squad.

 

No. It's going to be a garbage platform. He waited way too long and lost too much momentum to even try something like this. I don't believe that he or anyone he's hired is going to get a social media site's design "right." 0/10 not even going to try. 

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I'm interested to see how well it does. It does have the potential to do very well if it truly does allow free speech and doesn't "cancel" people. Plus if it does well on user privacy, it could bring users over from other platforms. 

 

Yaawwwwn. DJT is old news. He was fun, we had a laugh, but we need someone new and more consequential now, and he has and will always be a self-serving grifter foremost. Was in the 80s and is now.

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People see twitter as solely an echo chamber? Then blame it for that result when Trump is the king of using twitter as an echo chamber. Why cause they went on there and saw some tweets that didn't agree with Trump or so.

When there is power outages in my area, what medium does the power company use? Twitter. When a major NBA trade goes down, who has it first? Twitter. When natural disasters occur what medium we use to track it? Twitter. Look on the HF forum here everyone knows Twitter has  lots of insightful discussion about P/E values of certain companies. 

Twitter is an extremely powerful medium who’s  goal was never to be an echo chamber and if they want to police that its their choice. Facebook main fallacy while more popular and liked worldwide enforces the “echo chamber” cause they make more money that way. Twitter you can easily ignore all the noise and get all the value.

Any app saying “free speech is here”. Is never going to get the breadth of content and value twitter creates.

 

Twitter was that way long before Trump.  In 2014 they began to institute rules that were blatantly partisan.  If your ability to trace back orings only goes back as far as Trump you are either 1 a child pr 2 an ideologue.   Also no one says Twitter has no value, we are just saying that its not a broad spectrum of views.  You also incorrectly make the assumption that type of information spread can only happen on twitter.  If you go and look at the alternitives you will see a wide spectrum of conversation and information topcis that go far beyond just politics. 

 

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