VA Gov. Race needs an audit and full recount
The swing in results is too great (~12%) to be believable. It seems extremely convenient that Youngkin barely edged on top of Mcauliffe. I'm thinking that a few trucks might have carried out some mail in ballots that heavily favored Mcauliffe in Fairfax, Loudon and Arlington counties. I think we also have to factor in the possibility that voting machines switched vote tallies to Youngkin instead of Mcauliffe later on given that Youngkin held at about just under 51% for much of the latter race, when mail in ballots are expected to heavily favor Democrats.
Where is the outcry in auditing the results? The media has sided with Youngkin. Do they invest in Carlyle?
Wow ok dude sure
This is pretty weak trolling
Let's not pretend that the 2020 election wasn't unusual with many irregularities. If the shoe was on the other foot, liberals would've pitched a fit. In fact they did. See Bush-Gore 2000.
Also you don't get to bitch about election integrity when you believe that Vladimir Putin personally hacked the 2016 one.
This is disingenous. Gore-Bush was 500 votes in one of the most populous states; in 2020, Biden's closest margin of victory was 10k+. 2016 was about collaborating with adversarial nations to gain a data advantage, not outright fraud (there’s no direct evidence of that either, but it is true that Trump Jr responded to an email offering info from Russia)
There's no evidence of foul play in either, but recounts can overturn a couple hundred votes here or there through error (though to be clear, it can go either way). No recount happened in 2000 because the Republicans sued long enough to stop it, which seems like a valid reason to be annoyed. They've never overturned anything near Biden's margins, and unless you believe the Democrats are absolute masterminds of conspiracy (I mean, seriously? Have you seen them?), there's no way they could have kept enough mouths shut to pull this off.
I haven't seen anything to suggest foul play in VA, either - sometimes your guy loses because not everyone thinks like you, deal with it
Fully agree with you. 2020 was legit, and so was VA. I mean, VA has been considered a swing state before, so this time it swung back towards somebody who was (in my limited experience) a relatively moderate conservative.
Was there evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election, no. Was it the most irregular election in memory w/ opportunity for widespread fraud that would be unverifiable? Absolutely.
The Democrats were pretty shrewd in pushing mail-in voting w/ no verification processes in many swing states, in multiple instances through court system, circumventing state legislatures in violation of state law w/ the help of willing judges. Is it odd that there was a "water main" break in Fulton County, leading them to announce that vote counting would cease for the night before counting ballots in secret through the night? Was it odd that the PA supreme court violated the state's constitution to expand mail-in voting? Was it odd that several swing states allowed for mail-in voting without commonsensical voter verification or even verification of when the vote was cast? More than anything else, was it odd that Trump held material leads in virtually every battleground late on election night only for virtually every battleground state to continue counting votes for nearly a week, with those votes breaking overwhelmingly for Biden?
None of this means that there was widespread fraud or even suggests that there was widespread fraud, but the expansion of mail-in voting w/ anti-fraud safeguards seemingly intentionally removed in many states certainly didn't decrease the opportunity for widespread fraud.
Not very accurate on Bush v Gore, the Democrats in FL-2000 challenged certain districts which included only heavy democratic votes. Democrat's had recounted 4 times under the ruling from the Florida Supreme Court which favored Democrats.. After Gore challenged for more districts to be included, Republicans went to SCOTUS who ruled in Bush's favor. Also to note Jeb Bush was governor at the time. I watched a non-partisan doc about this which included Bush/Gore lawyers and independent legal scholars who broke it down for non-lawyers.
The SCOTUS ruling was funny, because you had Liberals on the court argue against the Equal Protection clause, while Republicans favored it in this case.
From my understanding Republican lawyers argued "It's unfair to only recount certain districts which breaks the Equal Protection Clause making the Florida ruling unconstitutional"
Democrats argued "These selected districts have the largest variances in voting so it's responsible to recount district by district"
LMFAO. This topic has to be a joke. The election was not rigged unless you live and breathe the gospel of DJT and his disciples.
2020 wasn't rigged, it was ballot-harvested. Mass extension of mail-in voting periods combined with the Democratic machine drove a Tammany Hall level campaign of harvesting every low-information ballot.
2020 was the result of dropping the quality of the electorate into the gutter.
Then you must admit that 2016 wasn't "hacked". That and Trump gets to redo his first term.
Have you been living under a rock? There was nothing wrong with the 2020 election and no real audit found anything of note. The GOP twats can't handle losing is all.
This joke is going to get the conservatives on WSO all riled up
Anyone saw that latest Microsoft presentation? Holy honkworld.
What’s always been hilarious to me is that when Trump won his base believed in everything. And when he lost, all of a sudden there was cheating by the democrats. If the Dems are so devious, why didn’t they just steals the 2016 election for Hilary? God the ultra right is more stupid than the ultra left.
You're a very based user ngl. I like a lot of your takes, even tho both libs and conservatives on this forum likely hate them.
Always a pleasure to meet a fellow rational moderate in the wild.
Voting was certainly made easier in the 2020 election compared to 2016 due to the pandemic. There's no concrete evidence that it led to material fraud at the moment, but there is some "logic" to the difference in the elections. Where I don't see the reasoning carry over though is with this VA election, hence the OP.
Aside from the fact that they tried to oust the president on the basis of Russian collusion lies that, according to all reports on the Danchenko arrest today, were known to be lies at the time, there's a big difference between the 2020 election and every other election in American history that makes this a poor point. The ability to use COVID to push mail-in voting, which makes the ability to commit fraud exponentially easier and the ability to detect fraud exponentially more difficult.
Uh, did you fall asleep on November 3rd 2016 and wake up on November 5th 2020?
Republicans would be more than happy to audit every election they’ve won in the past few years.
Why would the true winner fear an audit?
I've read some interesting pieces where users from other countries mention that when a ruler or party claimed fraud, they were the ones actually guilty of doing it. I do sometimes wonder whether the "Stop the Steal" was a projection for something else, which actually partly influenced the OP.
If your inference is that Republicans tried to steal the election, then why was Trump leading in about 6 key states prior to all of them ceasing counting, the media telling us they were counting the next day, those states continuing to count through the night, and 4-5 out of 6 of those states switching to Biden?
Does that sound like the Republicans would have been the more likely to cheat? It doesn’t take much here to see where the smoke is. I’m not saying there’s fire, but if there’s smoke, it’s in favor of the Left cheating.
The 2020 election was the safest and most secure election in the history of world elections.
Source - CNN
I suppose the DJT republicans are honestly surprised when every election isn't contested.
I lean left, but can't say I'm entirely surprised by the result. Biden made the US look incredibly weak during the withdrawal from Afghanistan and rightly or wrongly, has failed to coalesce his own party into passing any form of meaningful policy. Rather, he's let the hard left and a handful of moderates derail the legislative process, allowing the Republicans to land hit after hit on the Dems from a PR standpoint. I'm not surprised that there was a big swing against the Dems.
If you think this is bad, just wait until Midterms.
I don’t think the lack of legislative action had a huge impact because people are clamoring for what’s in the bill. It’s a laundry list of backlogged items that liberals have wanted forever, none of which address the issues people are concerned with (like the severe supply chain issues and escalating inflation). But the struggle to get something passed did add to the “confidence cascade” in Biden’s ability to lead. Add that to Afghanistan, economic issues, lingering pandemic restrictions, and Biden himself appearing to be declining cognitively and physically.
But the cultural elements can’t be ignored. Four years of Trump drove rapid radicalization among liberals on social issues that they didn’t pay for because they had Trump as an electoral shield. Sure, fine. Say whatever crazy shit about race or gender that you want, I really hate that crass asshole. But then Trump leaves and that shield disappears. And most people find liberal views on race/gender/police etc. grotesque.
And as a result they got their asses handed to them across the US on Tuesday. To which the left has responded by… doubling down with fuck whitey. Even though Virginia elected two minorities to top posts, flipped Biden voters, and Republicans made gains in heavily hispanic South Texas.
Biden is an albatross around the neck of the Dems - he's been an unprecedented disaster as a POTUS (Afghanistan fuck up, coming off as a complete asshole through AFG debacle, inflation, border disaster, supply-chain crisis, hammering O&G production domestically while begging OPEC to up production to drop prices, clear signs of senility). All that aside, McCaulife deciding to side w/ the teacher's union lobby when parents are furious about the CRT bullshit their kids are being taught and the scandal in Loudon county in which the school board covered up multiple sexual assaults because the perpetrator thinks he's a woman. The biggest takeaway from that election is that suburban women broke for Youngkin after breaking heavily for Biden. W/out a caustic guy at the top of the ticket, that probably becomes a trend.
If you “lean left” nowadays, in a political climate where the Left believes men can give birth, that the world’s industry needs to be controlled by the UN to oversee carbon credit allowances, that questioning things is “denying science”, that not allowing your 5yo child to be taken to Drag Queen Story Time without your consent makes you a Nazi, and that abortion is infrastructure……you do not lean left.
You are about as far left as you can be in the grand scheme of things
I was in high school/college when Democrats started gaining in VA. As a Virginia native I welcome this new change to the political environment. Plus Youngkin isn't like an MTG person and seems more of a Mitt Romney character.
Besides Biden, Youngkin also won on the education issue which originated in the area where I was raised. If Biden had a higher approval rate and the whole CRT/trans drama didn't happen, McAuliffe would've probably won.
The reason there was so much suspicion about the presidential election was because almost all of the bellwether indicators went for Trump. The dude kicked his own ass when compared to what he did in 2016.
And pretty much every indicator had Mcauliffe winning this election by a comfortable margin, save a Fox News poll put out right before the election.
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