I am in talks with a RE firm group in NYC. Probably will push for working in debt investments. I am a student at Schack (MS in RE). Getting out of college, I am not sure if I would start as an associate or analyst since I have construction management and no prior RE finance exp. What bonus should I be looking at? I am thinking they would offer me with a start at $85k. Just want an idea since that isn't too good a start in NYC imo.

 

Agreed on your point there. But just to think about it, what bonus percentage should an analyst expect?? Are first year bonuses also in the 30-40% range?? Again I am sure it is subjective depending on performance and also on the year but should that be the expectation getting into the job since no one really knows the bonus structure at the time of offer.

 

This is accurate for dc area too.  Obviously will depend on firm and role 

 

Looking at AM as a career, but would you say AM has a larger base salary and lower bonus than some of the other career paths mentioned?

 

Hard to generalize as almost all RE groups have an AM team

A development shop will have AM analysts but they will probably get paid lower base salary and lower bonus than the Development Analysts

A debt fund, bank or lifeco will probably have AM analysts (aka loan servicing) but these analysts will get paid less than analysts on the originations side

A REPE firm that is large enough will have both AM and acquisitions analysts but again the AM analysts will make less base and less bonus than the acquisitions analysts.

Whether fair or not, most companies think AM is easier than acquisitions and therefore pay accordingly - note that an AM analyst at a REPE firm might make more than a development or originations analyst at a dev shop or lifeco

 
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At my shop (debt fund) base/bonus pay for all levels is about the same. The difference is how cash/deferred comp/carry in your bonus is split.

Originators get more cash upfront with smaller deferred/carry because their comp is tied to immediate production volume. My comp is tied to success of achieving underwritten returns (management of the loan and financing) and loss mitigation, so I see more deferred/carry and a smaller cash bonus.

Said another way, they incentivize originators to get deals done and they incentivize asset managers to make sure the deals are performing/pay off.

The similar bases is pretty common for most companies. Having total comp dollars be the same is a bit unusual. I estimate the difference is generally about 20-30%. But I've also found that as a consistently top bucket AM, I get paid the same or better than origination folks at the same level.

 

I am in talks with a RE firm group in NYC. Probably will push for working in debt investments. I am a student at Schack (MS in RE). Getting out of college, I am not sure if I would start as an associate or analyst since I have construction management and no prior RE finance exp. What bonus should I be looking at? I am thinking they would offer me with a start at $85k. Just want an idea since that isn't too good a start in NYC imo.

 

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