Specifically, how does the school place in consulting and how’s the education compared to T40 American business schools? Any experiences with the school? If I wanted to come back stateside for my MBA, how would schools view a degree from ESCP?
For reference, my target schools in the US would probably be like Michigan, Notre Dame, UNC, Georgetown level.
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Not a good program at all! I would vote against and go to other schools like in the uk (LSE, warwick, bath) or the NL (RSM) or to a lesser extent spain (IE, Esade)!
Thanks for the input. Pretty knowledgeable about uk schools, ESCP randomly started flooding my email and wasn’t sure if it was anything to bother with. How do you think Esade compares to say LSE or BATH?
Don't listen to him you can tell he has never worked in IB.
The best bachelor's degrees in Europe are: Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, ESSEC, ESCP. If you want to work in IB or PE forget about Spain which will ruin your CV (as we all know you don't study anything and only go there to party). RSM internationally is not really considered like Bath and especially Warwick ahah.
The one who commented on this post did bachelor in Bath with exchange in RSM and master from Warwick with some exchange in Spain, otherwise I would not explain why he is so stupid.
Warwick and Bath in the same sentence as LSE lmao
Esade does not compare at all to LSE. To be honest, the best is to go to UK unis because they have the highest brand recognition. However, due to the brexit the prices jumped to crazy numbers.
If I were you go to a cheaper university for your bachelor's like SSE (in Sweden) or RSM (in the Netherlands). Get good grades and transfer to a good UK school for your master (LSE or LBS).
However, I would say Esade is on par with Bath.
In France there are lots of very prestigious schools at MSc level (what we call the Grandes Écoles like HEC, ESSEC, ESCP, ...), however bachelors are shit.
The reason is that in France, best students (except medicine and law) don't do Bachelors, they do a "classe prépa" then pass a competitive exam to join French Grandes Écoles at a "pre-master" then Master level.
The two only bachelors that are worth it in France are Paris Dauphine and Sciences-Po Paris. The others are only cash-machines.
This is true for French students that want to work in France, but I think this program is particular designed for internationals. Anyways you could always do an MSc or MiM like the one from Insead after your bachelor if your are planning to land a job in france
Can confirm this, if for any reason you wanna stay in Europe (especially France), do go for the MSc programmes at business schools
I partly agree. but not so extrem as you have explained. It's not so good as other programmes in UK or USA, but its not so bad as you described...At least its top3 business school in the France
Wrong the reputation they have is at the master level not bachelor :)
Hi dzee, are you sure you’re talking about escp business school and not about eu business school? It happens that some people think it’s the same thing. Escp is among the top 3 business schools in france (I know this because I’m french, but I think they also place well in european rankings, maybe you could check it out but I’m not sure) and they place very well in finance and consulting. I know people that landed jobs at McKinsey Goldman Sachs Bain BCG Amazon etc right after their bachelors at this business school
Hi! What i meant is that escp is good for their MiM but there bachelor is widely considered as a cash cow. I mean paying almost 15k euros per year when you can have excellent ones for less than 2k (rsm, copenhagen or hsg). I mean it is worth the money if you have done the prepa and then the grande ecole program. Otherwise, in my humble opinion it is way overpriced. But again, this is my opinion and by no means the truth.
Price wise I can agree with you that there are cheaper options! But isn’t the MiM (Grande École) even more expensive? Like 20k or something like that
Yes, but I am pretty sure you do not get the same teachers and service (without considering the indirect and implicit prestige of having done a prepa and Grande école program).
Yes I am aware that the prépa + Grande École is more prestigious than anything in France, but for people that want to work elsewhere it doesn’t seem to be a problem to study undergrad in France. Personally I wouldn’t enjoy studying in the Netherlands (RSM) or in Copenhagen (CBS) but I can understand that for people with lesser financial possibilities, it is the best option for undergrad. UK would be ideal but the prices skyrocketed recently because of brexit (25k+), it’s crazy. And those famous bba’s in Spain are also around 20k. ESSEC and ESCP still carry a better brand name than RSM or CBS, but if you can’t afford the 15k a year or do not get a scholarship, I agree that RSM and CBS are better options.
I hope you do not work in banking or finance, or else... You go there just for your bachelor, get good grades and then apply for a top master: HEC, LBS and LSE. Esade and IE (BBA) is probably one of the worst financial options one person can take on this planet (with all my respect for the institutions).
Also, your comment comes from a "rich person" mentality. You should not forget that the majority of people pay their studies themselves or work for it. They do not have parents that pay them everything.
Just go to bocconi, it is very easy to get into the bachelor
As I said in my previous comment going to the UK at this moment in time doesn’t make sense for non-UK students, neither does attending a BBA in Spain because of the very high fees. It’s not a good value for money. So we agree on this point. Regarding the rich question it depends on what rich means for you. Yes, I am very lucky to have parents that can afford paying me 15k/year for my studies, and therefore I am able to study a bba in France. But my parents wouldn’t pay me to study in the UK neither in the US neither in Spain. Also, I know people that attended business school in France with full scholarships and you always have the chance to get student loans! These programs also have apprenticeship options so you can start paying back your student debt earlier. But as I said, If you’re not financially comfortable it is better to attend those cheaper schools in the Netherlands, Scandinavia, etc which are also very good but not attractive to everybody. Now saying that these programs are cash machines when they are cheaper than the MiM’s (Master in Management) is just ridiculous and immature. It must be tough to accept that some students managed to land jobs in IB and MBB straight after their french bachelors degree :) You may not be familiar with it, but unlike in France you don’t need a masters degree to get a good job in the UK.
*Taken from another post as he/she sent me the same attack on another discussion.
Be careful, I am pretty sure this comment comes from a person that is either doing a bachelor in a French school or is trying to justify their huge tuition fees based on the prestige gained from none of their bachelor programs (only based on their MiM programs). HEC does not have a bachelor degree (why do you think?).
Please by all means check their websites and ask recruiters their opinion. Of course, people that have done the school (or people working in the program) will be baised and tell you otherwise. I mean he/she may not have done the school (or program) but I feel it is very aggressive for no reason... (even more sad as he/she talks without having any evidence or idea...).
PS: I did not do my university in France ;)
Good luck and ask other people of course for their opinion and pick a choice you are comfortable with.
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