Educational level US vs. European
Hello guys,
short question, how is the level of education in the US compared to Europe?
Context: i study at a g5 university and sometimes when i come back to my village in germany, i can't talk to my friends about politics nor about financial topics nor about idk physics.
I don't think I'm very smart here, but it's always a bit disconcerting.
in the US the difference between ivy and the bottom 20-30% must be infinite or not?
I haven't had the wherewithal to go to US, so I can't judge it that way.
How would you describe the level of education in the US?
Please don't take this as an attack, I'm just curious.
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Depends a lot on what you mean by bottom 20%-30%, are you including those that don't go to college/go to community college? Yeah, those can be... night and day. If you're just including major schools differences aren't so much between the bottom 20%-30% of the colleges themselves, but the students themselves at those colleges. Colleges are a wide spectrum, the top 5%-10% at most D1 universities are going to be solid. The difference will be negligible to moderate compared to the average Ivy student, at least in my working experience with the major difference being economic status. The bottom 25%+ at those same schools, a much wider gap.
I've lived in South Asia, Europe, and the US now. From my understanding,
-The top level europeans, and americans are pretty much identical. Oxford to MIT/Harvard, isn't as big of a difference. The bigger difference here is more cultural, especially in finance/business, less so in tech. Finance in Europe has a lot more individuals from what I'd call a higher class background (more kids of aristocrats, multigen wealth). The US has its scions as well, but a lot of hustling kids of poor/middle class immigrants (Chinese/Indian Americans for example). From an intellect perspective however, there isn't as much of a difference, and sometimes I feel that the top .01% in the US is just so much more talented than any other country on the planet. America is the place to be for the top 2-3% of college/uni grads.
-The poor classes are remarkably similar. Poor Europeans, and poor americans are equally ignorant. Americans don't talk with much decorum so they appear more classless in the bottom quintile, but stupid europeans, I assure you, are just as backwards. The poor americans tend to have a lower standard of living though, as the bottom quintile in america lives an existence that would be considered bad even my struggling people in India, Brasil, or Mexico.
-The divergence, that I see, is in the middle. The US, has a far larger professional (i.e upper middle class) than europe does, and frankly a more worldly one, but it's working class (lower middle class) population is more backwards than the euro counterpart. The 30-60 percentile, is unanimously better of in europe, and more educated by in large. The US often times feels like a more successful Russia or Brazil from a socioeconomic angle, as opposed to any european country. European working class people, may be a bit naive, but in that percentile range I mentioned, are a bit more aware than their american counterparts.
America is one hell of a place if you're interacting with upper middle class people and above, of all varieties. It gets real shitty when you go down from that though. Europe's drop off happens between the working class and the under class, in comparison.
I know you didn't ask but I'll state this anyways. If you're not above the 85% percentile, don't move from deutschland to the US. America is rapidly dividing into a have vs have not society, and you must ensure that you're in that top 10-15/20 percentile, if you want any semblance of a decent life. Add to that the lack of a social fabric that european nations tend to have (I'm aware this is declining) and moving is a bad move. Def come over, if you are top 10% though. The US, from its ethos, tax laws, country clubs, etc...is literally designed for that top 10th.
Yeah, I'd agree with that.
America is very, very nice if you're an upper-middle-class guy or above, particularly if you're a white upper-middle-class guy.
You hear things on the news about police brutality and things like that but they're not going to affect you.
You hear things about homeless people but they're not going to affect you.
You hear things about abortion this and that but that's not going to affect you much either if you have money.
The houses are big, the roads are big and the taxes are much lower.
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