Today, we had another school shooting and this time it was in California. I have not been in school in a long time but I do wonder how kids deal emotionally with these events. I know a kid who hid under a desk while a shooter went on a rampage in Parkland, Florida. I would not be surprised if he has ongoing emotional/psychological issues due to the incident. I guess that a shooting's impact might depend on how close the kid is to the incident. Some might feel that if it has not happened in my school, then I am not going to worry about it. Others might be wondering when the next incident will be at their school.
I know there are some people here who are going to rattle off statistics about the low probability of occurrence. However, the statistics do not address the psychological impact these events have on kids today.
I would especially like to hear the views of the younger people on WSO but older people are welcome to share their thoughts as well.
How do you feel about the kids that grow up in homes with abusive parents or that are stuck in gang controlled neighborhoods surrounded by murder and crime? Dude there are tons of issues with kids and emotional impact of their environments. School shootings are a tragedy, but experiencing death and traumatic situations are not limited to just school shootings. Most of the time its those other outside influences that drive the shooter to this in the first place.
The answer to your question: yes, there is no doubt it impacts the kids involved, but for those few hundred kids it really impacts, its no different than the hundreds of thousands of kids that have experienced traumatic experiences outside of school. Childhood trauma is a massive issue.
I think you are underestimating how many kids it impacts. I think the impact of shootings goes way beyond those involved in an incident. The incidents are reported continuously online and elsewhere, which might be a part of the problem.
Most kids do not pay attention to the 24 hours news cycle. Most children of alcoholics do worry if their alcoholic father is going to run over their bike again, which is why they spent an extra 2 mins putting their new one away. Small things like that impact the behaviors of kids and create automatic responses in kids far more than what they see on tv. Most trauma goes unrecognized in children, so yes the obvious response to a massive traumatic event will have an impact, more along the lines of PTSD, it pales in comparison to the years of conditioning that children experience as a result of unfortunate environmental influences. What do you think affects a child more: growing up with an incarcerated parent or a school shooting? Better question: how many more children grow up with incarcerated parents than those that live through a school shooting? Even better question: how many more children grow up cultivating automatic responses to alcoholic or abusive parents?
I do not disagree with you that school shootings are bad, but lets be real about the prevalence of childhood trauma that exists right in front of us.
To be blunt, trivializing the effects of school shootings is insulting to the kids and families who are impacted by these incidents.
that is by no means justifiable. i live in brazil where crime is rampant, and i mean crime, not psychos shooting at people. u americans have an ongoing mental virus and the availability of guns is scary to say the least. i'd rather face a robber who has nothing to eat than a psycho who actually wants to kill me
I hear you man the favella is way more dangerous than any hood in chicago and the cartels use money and power to corrupt the governments in LA,CA & SA . I heard the crime has gotten significantly worse since the olympics, is it gang related or is it because of the economic situation?
That is my point. What do you think creates those "psychos"? I am pointing to the root of the mental health crisis.
This is quite possibly the dumbest post I've seen on this site...
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/murder-rate-by-country/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/us/fbi-crime-data.html
https://dataunodc.un.org/GSH_app
https://www.theweek.co.uk/95749/a-most-violent-year-brazil-murder-toll-…
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-violence-murder/brazil-suffer…
Brazil Homicides per 100k = 30.5 (Has nearly doubled since the 90's (Rate of 19.6 to 30.5))
US Homicides per 100k =5.3 (Has nearly halved since the 90's (Rate of 9.3 to 5.3) )
Your contention is that the country with 5-6x less homicides, top standards of living, and more general freedoms is the one with the problem? Okay.
wtf, you're argument is another version of telling a person to stop being hurt because there are others that have it worse.
To be more blunt, you came here to promote an agenda and you're getting emotional now that someone disagrees with an aspect of your opinion.
How dare you trivialize the victims of childhood trauma not tied directly to school shootings.
Also, you do realize that there is an entire generation that routinely practiced during the school day how to get blown up by a nuclear bomb right? What about their trauma?
The agenda is to hear the views of kids who are impacted by this issue. Wow, what was I thinking by showing an interest in how it impacts kids?
I have no idea what you are talking about when you say I am trivializing other issues that kids experience. I did not even comment on any other issues.
The point of this topic is not to compare different childhood traumas. It is solely to discuss one issue that is impacting kids today.
Really? That was your agenda posting this on WSO, to find kids impacted by school shootings?
I'm really curious, how many did you expect to find?
Was reading an article about Columbine after the Walmart shooting and I think this kids takes 1st place.
In California?? That’s unbelievable
Yeah not enough good kids with a gun to fight back amirite?
Totally dude. If only someone had a fully automatic 240B on the roof of the building we'd be reading about a hero, not another school shooting. Damn communist liberals.
I hear Columbia has a lot of those good guys with the guns situations. We should take notes from them.
Clearly, stricter gun laws do not lead to less gun violence, similarly, in a country with more guns than people less restrictive gun laws do not lead to more gun violence.
200k kids in K-12 have been present when a shooting has occurred at their school campus in the years since Columbine. Millions more have practiced lockdown drills regularly. If you think this doesn't affect kids' mental health, you aren't paying attention.
That is truly insane. Do you have the stats for that 200k figure? I like having data whenever I make a point. That's a scary high figure.
The figure probably doesn't represent what you think it does. They probably take every school shooting, add up all the students in K-12 at that school, and that's the number "present for the shooting."
Not saying its not relevant, because obviously you're affected if there's a shooting in your town. Just wanted to clarify that it's not exactly 200k having like, watched a gunman go through their school.
Yes, Google the Washinton Post school gun shooting database. It is an on line interactive database, so you can sort by time of day, day of week, gender, race, age, etc
When you think about it, of course the number is that high. There were 2400 kids in the high school in today's shooting, for example
Sad but true
I intentionally did not comment specifically on gun control but it is inevitable that this related topic would be raised by someone. Out of curiosity, who signed the image?
Jennifer Perelman posted this 2 hours ago on her ig. I don't know if that is her signature or not but judging by the letters i would assume so.
Will implementing security like airports at schools be effective?
My first thought is how do banks prevent this type of thing from happening at the office? Seriously. I went to a rough high school and we didn’t have a third the security of Baml’s back office.
Maybe no metal detector but adequate surveillance, Id badges, turnstiles. Obviously it works. Schools need funding to implement these features.
Don’t worry you’ll all keep voting Republican because having a 2% lower tax rate is more important at the end of the day
the issue is strictly american. ban guns ffs ur people are mentally unstable
Do you not see the insane part of this statement? Why would banning guns stop people that are mentally unstable from harming people? Why shouldn't we address the mentally unstable piece of this sentence? You said it yourself, its an american thing...America is not the only place with guns, so guns are obviously not the issue.
Both can be true. Why not address both?
This is is painfully stupid
This is something I hear a lot. My response is:
America will not abolish guns. There are more guns than adults here, there's no reversing that. I believe in the right to bear arms for personal safety.
Yes, people will always harm people if they want to enough. The question here is the quantity and severity that people can be harmed. You can walk in with a knife and start stabbing people, but my guess is the fatality/ wounded rate would be far lower than someone walking in with a handgun, which even still would be far lower than walking in with any rifle. It's actually simple math and physics. Higher muzzle velocity, more stopping power, faster rounds per minute, more penetrating power. There is really no arguing this, it's pretty straightforward.
In response to my above statement, many people say, "Oh no- you want to ban kitchen knives too?" That's a ridiculous conclusion to draw. It's simply like if you had a toddler you would allow them to hold a fork but not allow them to use a power drill. Can they hurt themselves with a fork? Yes, but the damage caused by a power drill is likely a lot worse.
People normally respond, "But we're adults." Biologically yes, but that's stupid. To think everyone over 18 is a fully responsible person is stupid. We, as a society, have proven to be irresponsible with firearms.
I've been shooting since I was 6. My dad is a former Marine and went into Law Enforcement right after. I know guns, I like guns, they're fun to shoot. I would happily trade not being able to purchase a rifle if there was a way to prevent even one person being wounded. If you need anything more than a handgun for home safety, you're living your life wrong.
Parents need to be more involved in their childrens lives Extended families need to be more involved in their families lives teachers, coaches etc. need to be more involved in childrens lives
I recently had sunday dinner with a handful of family members, we all spent the time talking and off phones/tv etc. We all noticed we havent sat at a diningroom table in a LONG time. It was one of the best times I have had in ages.
Ban guns/give everyone a gun increase security/open campus legislation/free for all left/right
Polititians, laws, rules, money, or taxes will not save us.
We all need to start taking care of each other
The problem is obviously American obsession with violence, which is far more baked into culture in America than other places. Don't you guys find it weird sex/nudity is **aggressively **censored in America even though it is a perfectly normal and healthy thing but violence is not? Europe is a great example of this...and to me makes far more sense.
I'm running one of our portfolio companies in fairly ghetto place in the US right now (hardcore ops is not fun) and we've had multiple people threaten violence against managers that fired them, us/me, the workplace in general, etc... and I've never run into that in Canada. Now we have members of our management team concealed carry, etc...
This is absolutely something that is abnormal and not what you would find other than in a third-world country --- seriously! I've never had to worry about being shot going to work, but it's 100% a thing in America. I can't imagine how bad it is for kids...
This is an awesome comparison and I never though about it that way, At the extreme, the United States censors sex but make firearms easy to obtain. It is the opposite in Europe. While I would not want to move to Europe, we can learn a lot from some of those countries
I remember learning about this in middle school too. One of my friends went to Europe with his family and came back and said the same thing. He said he watched a movie and this girl was topless, nobody reacted. In another scene they pulled a gun out and everyone shifted in their seats. Totally backwards here, someone gets shot in the face and people laugh. Someone has a nip slip and it's the end of the world. I really thought it was interesting. This was before the prominence of mass shootings (after Columbine/ Virginia Tech, before it was an every other month occurrence). I never really correlated the two until your comment. Good insight.
When restructuring a company in the short term the first thing you wanna do is cut costs in order to stop the bleeding while laying the foundation for future growth in the med-long term.
We could use a similar approach here.
Yes I understand that guns are not the root cause. However, by severely limiting the access to guns you're also reducing the amount of shootings by x% not all but I would guess more than half at least. For people saying they will find a gun regardless, remember these are kids, they're not criminals that have access to an underground network that will supply them w/ guns.
Then in the med-long term you're looking at how to solve the root cause, in emotional intelligence the most prevalent reason as to why some kids were outcasts was because they weren't taught social cues early on. Not saying this is the root cause but it could be a start in order to lay the foundation for future elimination of these types of shootings.
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