Best 13F to Steal Ideas From?

I am 19 and have spent the last 7 years refining a strategy that an inexperienced investor can apply to the stock picking process. After losing my shirt on penny stocks, losing a moderate amount of money with small cap growth stocks, and underperforming the market with my selection of "deep value" stocks, I finally came to the conclusion that I am currently not qualified to select stocks based on what I know. Rather than invest in an ETF or mutual fund, I decided to only select stocks from a select group of hedge fund managers and so far it has worked.

In order for a fund to be a part of my list, they must meet the following criteria:
1) Annualized returns in excess of 25% over the last 5 years.
2) Must have a history of holding onto investments for years at a time. (13F's become useless when tracking active traders.)
3) Made a name for themselves without becoming famous for shorting stocks. (13F's don't show short positions.)

Up to this point I have been tracking Eddie Lampert and Mohnish Pabrai like a hawk and am looking for more funds that remind me of Warren Buffet before he reached critical mass. However, unlike Buffet I do not have any bias against tech stocks, since I believe that the rate at which technology exponentially increases is going to exponentially increase during this century. Does anyone have any additions for my list?

 
Junk Bond Kingpin:
I am 19 ... I am currently not qualified to select stocks based on what I know.
You don't say...
If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford
 

Exactly what list are you talking about? You mentioned a few famous people and want 25% returns every year: who doesn't? Perhaps post a few items to give a general feel of what we're working with here, and then people can build on it....

Get busy living
 
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UFOinsider:
Exactly what list are you talking about? You mentioned a few famous people and want 25% returns every year: who doesn't? Perhaps post a few items to give a general feel of what we're working with here, and then people can build on it....
http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&CIK=000117333… http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&CIK=000086058… http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&CIK=000107911…
PIE:
If you lost your shirt on penny stocks, someone must have gained a ton of shirts. So why not choose your penny stocks, sell advice for the opposite direction and profit?
Because no one will buy advice from a 19 year old. I'm also not going to short penny stocks at this stage of the game, because they can remain irrational much longer than I can remain solvent.
Kenny_Powers_CFA:
Greenlight is a good one. If you look around you can often find quarterly letters or research put out by some prominent investors, as well.
I was under the impression that Einhorn was more of a legendary short seller than a value investor.
 
Junk Bond Kingpin:
I was under the impression that Einhorn was more of a legendary short seller than a value investor.
Value investing is a philosophy, short-selling is a technique.
There have been many great comebacks throughout history. Jesus was dead but then came back as an all-powerful God-Zombie.
 

Greenlight is a good one. If you look around you can often find quarterly letters or research put out by some prominent investors, as well.

There have been many great comebacks throughout history. Jesus was dead but then came back as an all-powerful God-Zombie.
 
Junk Bond Kingpin:
I just noticed that Einhorn and Lampert both have long positions in STX. Those are some heavy hitters to have positions in a $50 million company. Maybe they know something we don't...

You realize Seagate (STX) is a $7B-plus company, right? They're one of three remaining suppliers in the HDD market, assuming their acquisition of Samsung's HDD biz is cleared by regulators.

 
ShawnDU2009:
Junk Bond Kingpin:
I just noticed that Einhorn and Lampert both have long positions in STX. Those are some heavy hitters to have positions in a $50 million company. Maybe they know something we don't...

You realize Seagate (STX) is a $7B-plus company, right? They're one of three remaining suppliers in the HDD market, assuming their acquisition of Samsung's HDD biz is cleared by regulators.

Wow, I feel stupid. Consider this my going away party with Yahoo Finance.

 

however, think you're better off just investing in mutual funds / indexing...

ideas stole aren't ideas...just guesses. The whole point of selecting individual stocks is to have conviction so you know how to react to market fluctuations

 
cassandra2012:
however, think you're better off just investing in mutual funds / indexing...

ideas stole aren't ideas...just guesses. The whole point of selecting individual stocks is to have conviction so you know how to react to market fluctuations

I still have hundreds of stocks to choose from, I'm just picking them off a list that weeds out a lot of garbage. Thanks for the list though.

 
Junk Bond Kingpin:
...I believe that the rate at which technology exponentially increases is going to exponentially increase during this century. Does anyone have any additions for my list?

I was going to give advice, but at the rate technology is evidently going to grow this century, I've decided instead to emulate John Connor and prepare for SkyNet

 
drexelalum11:
Junk Bond Kingpin:
...I believe that the rate at which technology exponentially increases is going to exponentially increase during this century. Does anyone have any additions for my list?

I was going to give advice, but at the rate technology is evidently going to grow this century, I've decided instead to emulate John Connor and prepare for SkyNet

I see one of two extremes. Artificial intelligence and advanced technology may make our lives easier in every way imaginable, or they may perceive humans as a threat... If it's the first case I'm betting on stocks to skyrocket, if it's the second case, the size of your portfolio won't matter.

 
Junk Bond Kingpin:
drexelalum11:
Junk Bond Kingpin:
...I believe that the rate at which technology exponentially increases is going to exponentially increase during this century. Does anyone have any additions for my list?

I was going to give advice, but at the rate technology is evidently going to grow this century, I've decided instead to emulate John Connor and prepare for SkyNet

I see one of two extremes. Artificial intelligence and advanced technology may make our lives easier in every way imaginable, or they may perceive humans as a threat... If it's the first case I'm betting on stocks to skyrocket, if it's the second case, the size of your portfolio won't matter.

You've watched iRobot 1 too many times

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee WSO is not your personal search function.
 

An even better resource for learning is the Ira Sohn conference, which is going on now. Top investors covering their favorite ideas. On occasion they'll even include presentations on their investment thesis, which to me is infinitely more helpful than trying to parse a 13-F. Here's a summary of last year's recommendations, this years should start coming out pretty soon.

http://www.absolutereturn-alpha.com/Article/2836094/Latest-News/Ira-Sohn-Which-2010-tips-did-the-best.html

There have been many great comebacks throughout history. Jesus was dead but then came back as an all-powerful God-Zombie.
 

If you're going to be taking dated investments from other investors, you should at least know what the hell you're investing in. Just because a good fund manager owns something does it mean that you have to agree with it. I mean look at JOE - two of the best fund managers over the last decade (Berkowitz and Einhorn) had complete opposite convictions.

You'd be better off going through the delayed postings on the Value Investor's Club message board. As a guest, you can read delayed write-ups. Most of these write-ups are top notch so you can decide if you like something. Getting an idea from someone else, doing your own due diligence, and forming your own opinion is one thing, but blindly investing in names on 13Fs is another thing. And by reading someone's write-up versus a 13F, you can at least learn something even if you don't invest in it.

And 13Fs don't reveal everything. The particular investor could be also using options, other derivatives, or involved in other parts of the capital structure to be doing something different than a pure long position.

AKA there's no shortcuts!!!

 
makers mark:
You'd be better off going through the delayed postings on the Value Investor's Club message board. As a guest, you can read delayed write-ups. Most of these write-ups are top notch so you can decide if you like something. Getting an idea from someone else, doing your own due diligence, and forming your own opinion is one thing, but blindly investing in names on 13Fs is another thing. And by reading someone's write-up versus a 13F, you can at least learn something even if you don't invest in it.

Absolutely agree with this. 13Fs show you only the long equity side. This is limiting in situations. For example: the fund could very well be making a capital arb play where they could really not care about outright equity movements but care about its relative movement vs debt.

When Eddie Lampert was starting out he would print out Buffet's Letters to Shareholders and reverse engineer his investments. Find some solid investments that have won big. Say the General Growth play by Ackman. Print out their reports for last 5 years, news paper articles (use library sources) and go to town. The VIC resource by Makers Mark is also a great move.

 

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