Routing out HO's via venue
I have a few questions.
Suppose a trader that wants to hit all the liquidity in the market whenever he puts an order out, but wants his order to remain hidden. In other words, a hidden market sweep (using IOC’s to keep the orders hidden in non-dead pools, I think)
This includes hitting dead pools and regular exchanges.
Great, so why not use the various brokers’ Smart Order Ready (SOR) algos available? Well, suppose their algos aren't hitting all the liquidity available in the market - clearly a problem.
So then say we decided to use a venue to route our orders out. Thing is, apparently some brokers don’t allow this due to policy (NAMURA for example). Because of this, they route orders to a venue (ARCA for example), and do not allowing said venue to route our orders out after they swept their books, letting the order die.
Is my only hope to just deal with it and use my many brokers’ SOR’s. How can my trader hit ALL the liquidity in the market, while staying completely hidden, while not using a brokers' SOR?
SORs are kind of tough
brokers could be abusing you (and you wouldn't know any wiser) if they are just trying to collect some rebates
Not all SORs hit all the liquidity areas Not all SORs are actually smart
Yes, this is what I said in my first post... That's why we want to route out through a venue, like ARCA, to avoid the brokers SORS, using direct market access (DMO). Yet NAMURA has a damn policy preventing exactly this! Is this common among brokerages?
You have to use more SORs than one ... You can't just trust Nomura not to mess it up. Are they providing you some soft-dollars or something?
And no, you should be able to route it via DMA - PLENTY of brokerages allow DMA on their algo ticket. If you're from a big legit shop, you kick and scream until they do it for you. If you're from a small shop, well you shop around until you find another brokerage who can kind of do it for you. Bear in mind, lots of bs marketing on this side. If you read MS's advertisements, it sounds like their execution algorithms can make babies.
y do you call it NAMURA in all caps, is this a joke I'm missing
The NAMURA thing is sort-of an inside joke here at the office. I've gotten in such a habit of referring to them in such a way I do it unintentionally.
Anyways, Nomura is just an example. We've got plenty of SORs set up with various different brokers, but we're convinced these SORs are not up to our standard.
We have DMA with all our brokers, thing is we don't just want DMA. We want to route to an exchange via DMA, who then routes out (hitting all the liquidity, like a SOR theoretically should), after they have swept their books. This, is what supposedly isn't common.
For instance, when if we try to do this with Instanet they require us to send them our entire order, giving them the responsibility of splitting it and ensuring it's hidden, while making it harder for us to verify a proper execution. Clearly this is not okay.
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