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Will There Be a QE3?
 

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Midas Mulligan Magoo
     
 
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 on 5/21/11 at 12:00pm
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Slowly but surely we step towards our day of reckoning. In just over a month, the Federal Reserve will end its bond buying program popularly known as QE2 or what many of us skeptics have likened it to, using a tiny band aid to qwell a huge hemorrhage. Depending on which side of the isle you stand, you may love or hate the Federal Reserve’s policy of quantitative easing.

Investors are certainly grateful to Bernanke and company for the near two year bull market, which has seen major market players (those that survived, that is)recover from the depths of the crisis. Many critics, however, have been vocal about the structural damage that the Fed’s debt expansion policies have done to the system long term. The question we face now is, will there be a QE3?

Though signs are point towards no one can never be too sure with Banana Ben and his Amazing Technicolor Printing Press. Here are three potential issues investors should watch for as QE2 winds down:

1) Offsetting Government Spending Cuts

The Fed’s intrusion into markets has lifted government spending to unheard of levels. The question remains whether private spending will pick up enough to compensate for the disappearance of government dollars in the overall equation. Combined with the overall sentiment of debt reduction present in the public, strange things could happen if private spending remains at the relative standstill it has been. On the bright side, American companies are flush with cash. Perhaps more so than ever before…

2) Keeping Rates Low

An end to quantitative easing suggests that interest rates will rise, because with the Fed out of the market for bonds, demand will fall, requiring issuers to pay higher rates to attract investors. To keep that from happening abruptly, the Fed has said it will continue to hold the nearly $2 trillion worth of bonds it has already purchased, instead of dumping them into the market and creating an oversupply of bonds.

Ouch. Anyone else see the inherent impossibility in this logic? Won’t bond traders simply wait the Fed out and create that notorious staredown effect which was present pre-crisis and led the Fed to get involved in the first place. How to keep rates rising at steady enough levels to boost growth and prevent some hyper/stagflationary scenario that the powers that be have been living in fear of for nearly three years? Hope some of you guys have good ideas about it, because I’m out of them and (admittedly) have been for quite a while.

3) Preventing a Debt Crisis

Though the article highlights that deficit management and cutting the huge national debt are not the Fed’s job, it has clearly become so by default (pun not intended). The weakened dollar blessed by the hocus pocus of quantitative easing has boosted American exports in the battle vs. China and other cheap labor emerging markets. This of course kills American’s purchasing power, which is an issue many amongst us are dealing with for the first time in our lives. How to reverse the weak-dollar machinery in the opposite direction would be easier said than done, if it weren’t difficult to put into words in the first place.
All in all, I remain both skeptical and nervous. The things that the Federal Reserve (in conjecture with the U.S. Treasury) now does on a regular basis require such tight precision, leaving so little room for error that the punting strategy will simply not work. Not because of some morally based appeal for sanity, but simply because all options (from the fiscal perspective) have been exhausted.

What do you guys see coming? Was QE2 the last straw? Will the Fed resort to another round if weaning us of the teet doesn’t work? What’s in store for the American economy? Can a comedy of errors among the high levels of our competition save us from our own incompetence? Or was perhaps…The Ben Bernank right all along…

For those who are more inclined to let a cartoon tell the tale, here’s another dose of what seems to be becoming our modern medicine for dealing with the hardships of reality. Maybe it really is this simple…time will tell, as with all else.

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The photo in this thread is

Nouveau Richie
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 on 5/21/11 at 12:51pm

The photo in this thread is epic did you make it yourself M^3? Bernanke Lightyear?

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Nouveau Richie wrote: The

Midas Mulligan Magoo
     
 
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 on 5/21/11 at 2:40pm
Nouveau Richie:

The photo in this thread is epic did you make it yourself M^3? Bernanke Lightyear?

I wish. Google image search all the way.

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at some point the markets are

junior2012
     
 
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 on 5/21/11 at 6:00pm

at some point the markets are going to realize that QE does not actually do anything except promote inflation-related speculation -> fed is powerless -> uhoh?

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I'm leaning towards QE3. The

Bravo
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 on 5/22/11 at 12:31am

I'm leaning towards QE3. The S&P 500 will have to first fall under its own weight before Bernanke does what he does best. I think come late July he will attempt to be a brave man and turn off the printing presses, only to find that the stock rally he created will not lead to companies hiring. Greece teetering on the brink of failure is only making the situation worst and even more imminent.

... If the S&P does fall I do not believe it will be a mere correction. It may be massive in scope dragging all markets along with it.

Please don't make me talk to you like an asshole...

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heister's picture

The question is not will they

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The question is not will they do it, but rather can they not do it?

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

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Debate d'jour... heard one of

ragnar danneskjöld
     
 
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 on 5/22/11 at 9:43pm

Debate d'jour... heard one of the talking heads describe his thoughts as some version of QE3 will take place even if its not a formal offering. Another stimulous, something to effectively act as QE in the event QE3 never comes to be. Its the fed...they'll do whatever they must to keep this train rolling.

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My belief is that Bernanke is

ARC
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 on 5/23/11 at 3:12pm

My belief is that Bernanke is very concerned about inflation and with core inflation creeping up, it could get to 2% (Fed's unofficial target) within the 1 year time-frame. To avoid that, he is stopping QE2.

As for QE3, he needs some "evidence" that its really needed to initiate more easing. The evidence is probably going to be a crashing equity market.

So, IMO, QE2 stops June end, then market tanks somewhere in late 2011 and then 2012Q1 the nose bleed is too much and rumblings aboutQE3 begin ... and we do it all over again :)

Love to hear what fellow monkeys think of this??

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If there is a QE3, America's

veritas14
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If there is a QE3, America's chief export becomes Inflation.

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<em>Mod note: for the tl;dr version, skip down to "Circa 1960"</em> First, some background. I’m going to explain how we got to where we are today in order to frame our place in history and our model of life, so bear with me...
Your Model of Life Is Wrong
After over one year in the making, the <strong><a href="http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/2013-wso-compensation-report-full">2013 WSO Compensation Report</a></strong> is here! Access to the FULL 108 page 2013 WSO Compensation Report is <strong>100%...
2013 WSO Compensation Report has Arrived
Where do i even start..I learned so much from this forum. The brutally honest opinions, sincere willingness to help, the technical information and random tips on everything has been absolutely crucial for me landing this offer. Coming from a non-target I didnt get that 3rd year SA position at...
Thank you WSO! Got my FT Offer! ADVICE NEEDED
When I first started as a PE analyst, I constantly struggled with judging the amount of time I should spend on reviewing sourced deals. How much time is enough to really get a handle on the company’s revenue streams? How granular do I need my analysis to be on industry threats? With this...
Misguided Efforts: A Cautionary Tale
Fellow Primates, We are looking for 1-2 students on each campus to help WSO in its sales efforts to student clubs/career centers, and overall promotion at your school both online and on the ground. Below is a description of the position and benefits...thanks in advance for your help! <a...
WSO is Looking for Campus Reps For Summer/Fall 2013 (and beyond)
<a href="http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/basic-guide-ramping-up-on-a-company-with-public-information-part-1-of-3 ">In part one</a> we covered the basics of understanding a company, which involves reading the S-1 filing, reading the quarterly reports and understanding...
Basic Guide Ramping Up On A Company With Public Information (Part 3 of 3)
Any Asset Management people here who could give me some insights on it, such as the nature of the work, the pay, the hours, the potential for career advancement, ect? I was looking into IB before but I've decided that I would rather pursue a career that's more intellectually...
Asset Management a better choice than Investment Banking?
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