REFinance516:

I honestly have no idea. To the point above, I don't do drugs and have never done that. I made it through Home Depot and they do a very stringent drug/background check as they are one of the most conservative companies I have ever gone through.

He's asking if you are a white able-bodied male native English speaker, pref. Jewish or Christian. A perfectly legitimate question for which I'm not sure why he's receiving downvotes.

 

find a Kramer (yeah, the one from Seinfeld). I'm sure you have a friend/relative/nemesis who's brutally honest. get them to tell you everything that's wrong with you, maybe you'll get some insight there.

how you perceive yourself doesn't matter at all, how others perceive you is all that matters. I'm betting there's something else afoot, and you'll have to get external feedback to figure out what it is. the best person to do that is a Kramer, only he won't be telling you that you look fat, that your hair is old fashioned, that you need a nosejob, etc., he'll be helping you get a job.

 
thebrofessor:

find a Kramer (yeah, the one from Seinfeld). I'm sure you have a friend/relative/nemesis who's brutally honest. get them to tell you everything that's wrong with you, maybe you'll get some insight there.

how you perceive yourself doesn't matter at all, how others perceive you is all that matters. I'm betting there's something else afoot, and you'll have to get external feedback to figure out what it is. the best person to do that is a Kramer, only he won't be telling you that you look fat, that your hair is old fashioned, that you need a nosejob, etc., he'll be helping you get a job.

When Seinfeld ended its run this guy would've been like... 7 years old.

OP, what you need is a Sheldon Cooper.

 
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thebrofessor:
find a Kramer (yeah, the one from Seinfeld). I'm sure you have a friend/relative/nemesis who's brutally honest. get them to tell you everything that's wrong with you, maybe you'll get some insight there.how you perceive yourself doesn't matter at all, how others perceive you is all that matters. I'm betting there's something else afoot, and you'll have to get external feedback to figure out what it is. the best person to do that is a Kramer, only he won't be telling you that you look fat, that your hair is old fashioned, that you need a nosejob, etc., he'll be helping you get a job.

When Seinfeld ended its run this guy would've been like... 7 years old.

OP, what you need is a Sheldon Cooper.

Sheldon Cooper? Really? More like Shane from the Walking Dead, maybe The Governor too.
 
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Alright, first of all, places are very rarely going to tell you why you were fired, or if they do, they're going to write all their reasons down and try and make you sign it, agreeing to them. This is all so they don't get sued. If they fired you for "poor performance," and you prove that your performance was good and say they fired you out of racism/sexism/etc. some judge somewhere would probably take the case. HR wants people to be as vague as possible. Lucky for you, HR will also advise these managers, if they are called for a reference about you later, to simply confirm that you worked there and that you no longer do. If they go on some diatribe against you and you somehow find out, again, you can sue them.

Now, for you, something I would recommend is for you to relax and really think about how you come off to people. I was "not a good fit" for my first job and although I left before I was fired, it was certainly a possibility. My boss and I did not get along at all and it became a very antagonistic relationship over time. In hindsight, he was still the biggest piece of shit I ever met, but I no longer view myself as the angel I did at the time. It's hard to have that kind of perspective and reflection until you get out of the situation, however.

Also, don't be desperate. Begging your former employer to let you work for free? C'mon man. Take a week to get your head straight and apply for unemployment, and then work on your resume, reach out to your network, and find a new job.

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Did you ever consider maybe you just aren't a likable person?

I had to invest some time in public speaking classes during school because I realized people misinterpreted my quiet demeanor for being uptight or stuck up. My intent didn't matter. I was really successful in debate team after that...

If you have something to work on the best way to approach this is to speak to people who don't like you and let them tell you why.

 

This is valuable advice. What's funny is the people who may not like you might not be up front with you about why they don't like you. At the end of the day you kind of just have to figure it out on your own. At least that's what I've concluded.

 

What you are going through is less of a reflection on you as it is on your generation. Unfortunately, your generation was raised in a way that creates a shock when you get out there in the real world. Not everyone gets a participation trophy in the real world. Not everyone cares if you have high self esteem. You are finding this out, I'm afraid, but don't worry, you will get the hang of it soon. We all went through it to some degree. There are many unwritten rules of any workplace that you could not have known...office politics is not an easy road to navigate. Most people that have been around a while can attest to that.

 
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What you are going through is less of a reflection on you as it is on your generation. Unfortunately, your generation was raised in a way that creates a shock when you get out there in the real world. Not everyone gets a participation trophy in the real world. Not everyone cares if you have high self esteem. You are finding this out, I'm afraid, but don't worry, you will get the hang of it soon. We all went through it to some degree. There are many unwritten rules of any workplace that you could not have known...office politics is not an easy road to navigate. Most people that have been around a while can attest to that.

It's not normal to get fired 4 or 5 weeks into a full time job unless you had a major fuckup. It's not some generational thing. I don't think it was any easier for past generations to adjust from college to working life. So either the OP has bad luck or isn't telling the whole story. I mean I had the worst working relationship possible with my first boss out of college and I still managed to stay for 10 months before bailing. But you're right that office politics is a different beast entirely from what people experience during their education. His first boss isn't even that surprising. F500 middle management seems to attract self-important cowards.
 
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What you are going through is less of a reflection on you as it is on your generation.

Oh piss off. How about I generalize your entire generation and then blame you for the ails that have resulted from it?

Commercial Real Estate Developer
 

Like the others have said, it could just be coincidence and bad luck (your boss may have been a dick and the RE company may have wanted to cut back for example) but I'd examine your self and ask you friends and family for a brutally honest critique. Is there something abrasive about your personality that you're unaware of? Do you incessantly pick your nose or have god awful flatulence issues you don't recognize?

The HD job may have been an anomaly-she could have just been a very difficult person to work for-or did you do or say something really off? Try to find someone you worked with there to see if they have details. Maybe you don't know it but you're completely sexist and treated your female boss like a bar wench without realizing it.

For the RE job, do the same. Perhaps there was as fit issue or maybe your technical skills weren't that good and that's why you were let go. They should have told you about it along the way but sometimes in small firms that doesn't happen and decisions are quickly made by one or two top guys. 5 weeks seems like an awfully short time to get the boot so while it could be downsizing or budget issues, the firm not knowing they're going to run into cash flow issues 2-3 months down the road from when they started the hiring process seems odd.

Your best bet is to ask others, particularly those you used to work with (that can be thorny because a manager isn't going to legally throw themselves under the bus so it's more about having a former colleague talk to you). Good luck.

 

As a matter of prudence, I would not assume it's simply bad luck. Thinking that way might set you up for failure down the road.

I'm going to agree with Thebrofessor and say that it could be your personality. Find a Kramer, or, if that reference wasn't clear, find someone without a filter. Someone who can tell you after a day or two of knowing you what would grind on someone's nerves if they had no choice but to work with you for 8-10 hours a day.

 

Good rule of thumb, don't be too exuberant in your successes and don't be too hard on yourself in your failures. Keep your head up. I would analyze the first job more critically than the last. Maybe there was one bad interaction that your manager couldn't get over. It is really hard to pin point thus you should try and evaluate yourself, but at some point you just need to move on.

 
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I had a chat with my MD. What he basically told me was that it was a variety of factors mainly coming from them underestimating how much time training would take. They didn't have enough manpower or time to train me as the other analysts and associates also needed to work. I was progressing along but they are going to hire someone with more experience. Thus because I had a probation period they could get rid of me with minimal costs. I guess this is both my fault and their fault? I guess I could have worked harder? Any suggestions?

shrug

Honestly, fuck it. Your MD sounds like a good guy for talking to you about that - he definitely didn't have to - but that should give you the closure you need and a confidence boost. It wasn't you! So some home depot despot didn't like you and you got unlucky with your second company? Big deal. What matters is the next job.

Fill out that unemployment paperwork so you can pay your bills, let your contacts know you're looking for a job, look through linkedin and indeed for job postings, and move on. Time to get back on the horse.

Commercial Real Estate Developer
 

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