got into Wharton MBA, need help.

Quick story - 3 years of elite boutique banking, 2.5 years of large cap fund of funds focusing on secondaries and co investments. Asia based role. have substantial room internally to move up w/o MBA and take on more responsibilities. Making c. US$250k a year, maybe US$275k next year.

I know there are lots of arguments for not going, but I still want the experience and a shot to move to more public equity role (HF/large mutual funds such as Fidelity) which still recruits MBAs. It is difficult to do any type of switch in my current role except for maybe another fund of funds, or if im luck I can get a desired role without an MBA. But in any case i feel like I could use Wharton to re-set and get access to opportunities which I otherwise wouldn't.

As for my current job, while I like it, I sometimes feel like im not challenged enough. At the end of the day, we are an LP who leverages a lot of the work of our GP's so we don't really control or create anything..

I'd be grateful to hear your thoughts. I also got into one of the joint programs at Wharton so it'd be a good experience.

Thanks!

 

Did you get into Lauder? If so, I think that may be the game-changer.

I can see why you're on the fence; you have strong work experience but (I'm assuming) feel like you stepped down a bit, moving to a FoF role in Asia while your peers from your analyst class and your graduating year who were at similar shops took MF or HF jobs. Your comp is good but not godly by any means, and you want the MBA both as a way to get a better job (more challenging and rewarding, better paying, and more recognizable), boost your long-term career opportunities, and perhaps relocate (you didn't mention this, completely me reading into it).

You could make a strong argument either way. One, that you're better off earning the half million you will over the next two years and networking for a job more relevant to your interests, or two, that the MBA will unlock a better network, broader geographical opportunities, and higher earning potential long-run. Neither of those is completely wrong, but you mentioned the joint program, and I think that's pivotal to this decision. I'm presuming it's Lauder given your international experience, and if that's correct, I think this tips it completely in favor of going.

I could go on and on about how great that is for your career, how 'prestigious' and selective a program it is, etc. but I have no interest in typing what we all already know. To be brief, this won't be about all that as much as it will be about joining a cadre of peers of that caliber. The Lauder program is awesome; you get really well-rounded, remarkable individuals who have done awesome things with their lives and will continue to do so in the future.

You could say the same thing about any elite MBA program, but as we all know, there's a lot of variance in terms of the caliber of admitted student, even at the HSW programs. What I've learned is that there's a simply unparalleled concentration of talent in these joint programs: Harvard JD/MBA, HKS/HBS joint degree, Stanford JD/MBA, Lauder, etc. The people who get admitted tend almost invariably to be stellar both on paper and in real life (some exceptions with the JD/MBA attracting higher IQ than EQ candidates).

The opportunity to be part of that, leverage the niche alumni network, and bask in a learning experience that's as much peer-based as it is instruction-based is not something any smart individual would want to pass up.

I believe it will be great for your career (the Wharton MBA on its own merits would be; how much more so the joint program), tremendous for your personal and intellectual development, and a remarkable foundation for numerous opportunities in both the public and private sector in the short-, mid-, and long-term.

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I think APAE hit the nail on the head with his comment.

How/Why did you end up at the FoF out of your Analyst program? How hard (if at all) have you tried to make a transition to a traditional HF/AM Analyst position?

You're talking somewhere in the range of $700k+ opportunity cost over the two years of your MBA... No matter how you slice it that's a whole lot of money. But, you're likely in your late 20's and have a long career ahead to be doing something that isn't really challenging you.

To me, I think it comes down to whether or not you think you have a legitimate shot of making the switch without the MBA. I'm sure you already know the MBA is going to be a 200k recruiting opportunity as advancement in HF/AM is determined almost exclusively by performance. Obviously, the Wharton brand/network would probably help you to move from shop to shop once your in, though.

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thanks so much very both. Yes it is the Lauder program. I tried to recruite for HF roles, have gotten interviews and made it to final rounds but unfortunately didn't make it. I do think it is still possible to do so without the MBA, however, I think the chances of getting that role will be greater two years later with the Lauder/Wharton degree. It's also a personal preference to 'take a break' after grinding for 5 years. i am leaning towards going, but i will have a chat with my boss whos trying to make me stay. Given that Im getting promoted from associate to the next level, I will have a natural pay raise, but maybe like the previously mentioned US$275-300k. I will ask for US$375k minimum with consideration for promotion in 2 years. In my mind that's the cost for not going and i don't think it hurts to ask. what do you think?

 

dude, 375? Are you freaking kidding me, stay. You are obviously someone they want to keep. That means more than a Wharton MBA that a GS analyst can get after 2 years. You are young and remember this business is fluid. Why start over your personal network by getting an MBA? In 2 years you will have a large salary AND a senior guy who likes you that much more for staying. Look, a HF role isn't going to be that great after the MBA. Keep the current job, take your 375 and actively use your seniors for a HF role after your stint

 

So to recap:

You are interested in more direct investing roles, but recently got promoted at your current role to ~$375K p.a. compensation. However, you note that you have received a number of HF interviews and made the final round. That said, My view would be that making the switch is simply a matter of time - why not collect that nice paycheck while you network and apply for the gigs you want? Wharton is an awesome opportunity, but at that rate, you're looking at nearly $1mm in opportunity cost ($200K tuition / room and board, plus $750k in lost comp).

As an aside, I don't know what the deferral policy is, but if you use the promotion as your rationale, it may be possible to get Wharton to defer your admission by a year while you try to figure it out - perhaps other people can chime in on this if they have more knowledge about the likelihood of being granted a deferral.

 
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So to recap:

You are interested in more direct investing roles, but recently got promoted at your current role to ~$375K p.a. compensation. However, you note that you have received a number of HF interviews and made the final round. That said, My view would be that making the switch is simply a matter of time - why not collect that nice paycheck while you network and apply for the gigs you want? Wharton is an awesome opportunity, but at that rate, you're looking at nearly $1mm in opportunity cost ($200K tuition / room and board, plus $750k in lost comp).

As an aside, I don't know what the deferral policy is, but if you use the promotion as your rationale, it may be possible to get Wharton to defer your admission by a year while you try to figure it out - perhaps other people can chime in on this if they have more knowledge about the likelihood of being granted a deferral.

My logic is similar. Ask Wharton for the deferral, put down the $1,000 deposit or whatever they require, and spend at least a year raking in the cash. During that year, network and keep applying for the HF roles you're looking for. If you get an offer, take it. You'll have bypassed the expense and opportunity cost of the MBA, earned substantially more than you were on track to without the compensation discussion (and resulting raise) you had, and gotten the very job you wanted to get post-MBA.
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I have nothing of substance to add, but just wanna say that 375k in Asia on 50 hrs/week is amazing. Assuming income tax is 15-20% then post-tax you're taking home around what a guy making 640k/year in NYC would. And you're still on the path to promotion, man teach me your ways haha.

 

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