Arrogant and Rude Ivy League stories
What's the rudest or most elitist thing you've heard or seen at your Ivy League school or what's the most rude or elitist thing an Ivy League coworker, friend, acquaintance has said to you?
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THIS is going to be your first post at WSO? Damn.
Some1 didn’t go/get into an ivy lmao
Nope! I will forever be inferior to the people with pieces of paper from Cornell :(
People from Ivy’s are of a different caliber. I’m not counting the nepos or legacy babies. Fact is, if you’re qualified enough to get into an Ivy, you are of a pedigree above most people. I went to a no name state school, and like to think of myself as the exception to the rule as far as “making it”, but there’s no way I’m on the same level as Ivy kids Point I’m making is, you clearly made this post bc you’re insecure and so you’re trying to rationalize it with whatever the fuck. It’s okay man, honestly. Just do your best and be a good person
There's tens of thousands of kids "qualified enough" to get into an Ivy, but somehow there's more kids "qualified enough" from the top 1% of households by income than there are kids "qualified enough" from the bottom 60% of households by income.
Crazy how the kids from the top 1% of household incomes are more than 60x times "qualified enough" per capita! That's such a coincidence. And crazy how kids from the top 0.1% have double the odds of getting accepted with the exact same stats.
What this tells me is that
I've seen this graph before and you aren't making a point for yourself. It shows that besides the small handful of top 0.1%ers who apply every year, elite colleges are actually incredibly generous to low income folks
And it's crazy how in America, we don't just base admission to top schools off of the best test scores! We do it based off who's parents can drop six figures on fencing coaching and give recruited athletes much higher chances of getting in.
So I went to an ivy and once in a while there's a salty thread like this one where there's people who for some reason believe that students at targets are more entitled and don't qualify to be there. So I went to a public school myself before coming here and will try to address some of the rich vs poor misconceptions here I guess. I don't really want to get into how qualified you have to be to get in because it is pretty evident that with single digit acceptance rates it's hard and from my experience as a student and alum. Some of the first ppl I met in my dorm floor included a guy who was top ranked in physics in his asian country, and some guy who was admitted to top stem school like Caltech/Stanford with patents/ discoveries and so on but decided to go to my ivy. I don't know how it works in state schools or less selective places but ur peer group at an "target" is pretty intimidating and usually the more their parents invest in education (correlated with wealth), the more accomplished the kids are.
To ur point, I actually would caveat that there may be a lot of motivated and qualified students from middle-class backgrounds who do not get into ivies and/or can't afford to attend but to be honest there is plenty of favorable treatment of those from lower socioeconomic status in elite college admissions. In terms of access to elite education, the middle class don't get much financial aid if any but those who are bottom 50% of incomes get free tuition and board in most instances and I know people who get stipends on top of that as well.
I went on a recruiting trip to some Ivy career days for an old firm that recruited for buyside out of undergrad...was floored by the amount of kids who visited and just asked "why should I work here" instead of asking any questions, as if it was my job to pitch them. Didn't volunteer for more recruiting after that
Yes, you have to be talented and somewhat an outlier in intelligence and work ethic to get into an Ivy school. But, once you graduate, I look at you only through the lens of where-you-at-now. The past ceased to exist. The fact that you used this golden ticket (the Ivy school) to do banking instead of pursuing more noble things that may require some talent and exceptional abilities just makes you lose this "special aura". You become someone that prioritized financial success and you're as good as the next guy sitting on your right or your left, even if they're non-targets. There are no differences between the analysts/associates class in my eyes because of their educational pedigrees. You start from 0 and you have to prove yourself from 0 that you have what it takes to excel in this business.
So to answer your story, even if you had rude encounters with Ivy students, there's no need to feel any sort of insecurity when faced with such behavior. You take it in the same way as when you hear the guy that peaked in high school, but in this case, the peak of a rude Ivy was their education. Just feel sorry for them and move on. In my opinion, it's just a type of cope if someone employs such behavior: "yeah, I'm working with you, but I'm actually better" - but you're not, you're delusional and even maybe more insecure than the guy you want to bring down.
I would hate to live my life just being so intrinsically insecure and bothered by people who simply are trying their best...you need a therapist TBH. That mentality will take you nowhere.
About 50% of the incoming class in undergrad ivies get free tuition. Think about that for a second. Half the kids have losers for parents and get a free ride from the rest of the student body.
I just looked up UPenn’s website since wharton is the holy grail here.
45% got need-based financial help. Students whose families are lazy and make less than 75k a year get FULL financial help. If your dad makes less than 140k, you STILL get some financial aid.
Jesus man, half the kids get a free ride, what more do you want?
Of course more rich kids tend to go to ivies than poor kids, because rich parents tend to be smarter or hard working or value education more than poor parents.
Are you mad at the ivy kids? Shouldn’t you be mad at all the losers who have kids young or out of wedlock or before they’re financially secure? Get mad that society allows losers to procreate. Can’t wait for the distant future, when governments can control who is deemed worthy enough to have kids and ZERO kids are born to horrible parents or into terrible home situations.
Wow.
Of course more rich kids tend to go to ivies than poor kids, because rich parents tend to be smarter or hard working or value education more than poor parents. - Exactly this.
Always funny seeing people cope with this statement when they would openly admit tall parents tend to have tall children or athletic parents tend to have athletic children who can make it to professional sports leagues more often.
The cry babies on the site can never accept this. No one is saying their parents are evil and horrible, just pointing out their parents are more selfish or don’t value education compared to others.
But they just can’t admit that. So they dismiss the truth and act like their parents are all stars.
Explicit height/weight requirements and implicit attractiveness/background/wealth requirements to get bids at some frats
And guess who has an issue with that? The fat ugly losers lol.
Only on this site do people love to pretend money and looks and pedigree mean nothing in real life.
You guys sound like those fat chicks on Reddit who scream into the internet void that real men don’t like skinny chicks.
Most brutal comment I’ve read on WSO in a long long time.
I honestly don’t always agree with what Smoke Frog says, but a good point is made here.
Your “looks” are probably the easiest thing to change about yourself, far easier to change than a career or religious beliefs.
Making small changes to be more conventionally attractive or looking presentable / polished works miracles in terms of how people perceive you - largely in your early career. This affects how they treat you, how they interact with you, and the best part about it is that you can change it for the better.
Good luck whining about that to all the hot sorority chicks. Or let me guess, they should lower their standards to give freebies to dudes from low income households just like colleges do.
Probably more insecure than arrogant, but I've noticed the only people who refer to themselves as Ivy Leaguers are Cornell grads.
Not at an ivy, but at an ivy-equivalent in the UK. One of the worst things I've felt is being looked down on by white finance-major guys. Don't mean to stereotype but if you're a woman they kinda just don't think you have offers or that you're applying to shady roles. Maybe it's just my experience though lol but sexism really starts very early imo.
Another insane thing I've heard is backup offers being your family's firm. The number of people who've told me they're going to join their family investment firm if they don't get a better offer is insane lol.
It's pretty funny when clubs reject you with a "we regret to inform you that although we were impressed with your application we have decided to proceed with other candidates." Like LOL dude you are literally just a year older than me can you sit down.
Unrelated but while we're at it the wealth disparity is pretty insane as well. In casual conversation: "yeah i interned at a hospital" "oh cool, how did you get the internship?" "oh my family owns that chain of hospitals"
No.
It's not like a warwick bro relax
Lol
I have dated a few Ivy girls and they’ve been relatively normal as people (I did not go to an Ivy), good family backgrounds but not legacy or 1%. All great girls looking back.
However they were all deeply entrenched with wanting to be a part of “that” crew. A family member of mine also went to Ivy and all I can say is theyre the cream of the crop intelligence wise and especially if they came from a legacy background more often than not they’re actually groomed and prepared. Of course you have the idiots but that’s at every spot!
One story sticks out to me in my mind. An ex and I were discussing interviews for her younger cousin who was attending the same school she did. He certainly received a few last year but didn’t really have an idea what he wanted to do which may have been fine coming from there but in the last few years you can’t squeak in full time to a specialized role on name brand alone atm. She wouldn’t listen to me when I said he should find an interest and focus on that right now like s&t er or banking. She was not happy got angry and shouted something about how a first round with gs or ms isn’t impressive and everyone SHOULD be able to get them. I do expect a bit of arrogance from them but I assume those types either put up or shut up in the real world.
The only thing many of the regular ivy people (generally girls not guys) fail to realize by even their mid 20s is that youll almost never be accepted into the old money crews long term unless you have a status that makes you an addition in their mind (very transactional). But this becomes less about Ivy League and more about old money legacy…they’re wonderful clients I’ll take em all :)
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