Currently live in shitholeville (Canada) and work is transferring me to the U.S. and said I can live anywhere. Family income is around US250k. Wife wants Colorado as she thinks the politics are milder than like a Texas and not as many guns but I want to be somewhere warm like Florida. Thoughts?
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Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami
LA/SD, but your $ won’t go as far
Charlotte is probably too bibley. Miami you may as well be in South America. Isn't Atlanta very poor and dangerous?
Charlotte’s uptown is all NY and CA transplants these days. I found Atlanta to be more bibly personally, some parts like buckhead are nice and low crime.
Denver is pretty hot in warm months, but very unique flavor there. Not for me personally.
DC might fit, 250 is pretty good there and it’s a well kept city in most parts with awesome parks + lots of opportunity.
...no
There are some nice areas in Atlanta where you can get a 5 bed house for 600-700k about an hour out from the city.
Austin might be a good compromise basically just a bunch of Cali / tech ppl enjoying benefits of Texas
Unaffordable now. Got completely overrun with people. Wife's issue is more around Texas as a whole since they outlawed abortion (not to say we are having one, but to her it's a big deal)
I really like Texas, and am probably politically more left leaning. Dallas and Austin are both nice, although IMO it gets too hot in Texas. Don't let "politics" be a blocker. It's very overblown and not a real problem assuming you are hanging out with intelligent people on a regular basis.
Florida is VERY humid if you end up in Miami. I love Miami, but the humidity is so overwhelming. You get out of a shower, dry off, and boom...you feel damp again lol. Maybe you get used to it over time though. I haven't stayed there longer than a week at a time...
California is perfect, although I don't like LA at all compared to NY.
Denver isn't bad but quite sleepy IMO. My wife grew up there and neither of us like it relative to price. I'd rather just pay more and live in a T1 city.
I agree. Issue is wife has an issue with the states policies, specifically guns and abortion laws
Keep the liberal nonsense in Canada then… going to get MS for this but I don’t care. Everyone leaving their collapsing Democrat states to vote for the same sht that made them move in the first place is beyond infuriating.
On a more serious note, move to Denver / Boulder, one of the most liberal places in the country. Homeless all over the place (I live here and the city continues to degrade thanks to extreme left that has ruined this once red state). Obviously you’re Canadian so it’s different / can’t vote but nonetheless.
One thing will note for your wife though is that gun policy is surprisingly lax here, it’s not much stricter than Texas. It’s also a great place to live for remote workers. You’ll get hooked into the mountains quick and the winters aren’t that cold either
The gun culture is definitely unsettling in the US. We had a few facilities where people threatened to shoot the place up, and middle management was all concealed carry.
That is the kind of thing you just don't think about in Canada.
Honestly though, I think moving to Colorado is kind of dumb versus going to Vancouver if you're Canadian. Vancouver is way way better IMO...
Why does she care so much about the abortion laws? They don't impact you since you could fly somewhere if needed for that?
Violent crime (frankly crime in general) is usually worse in the cities/states with stricter gun control and unless she's worried about needing an abortion and refuses to travel for it, that's a pretty dumb thing to choose to pay an additional 4.4% income tax + higher COL over. If she's that irrational perhaps consider staying in Canada, we don't need or want more of your wife's political likeness fleeing the shitholes they happily vote for and bringing the same politics that created the problem with them. Need to get your woman to wisen up.
Yeah, I'm honestly even more confused here. Does your wife have a genetic disorder that she's afraid of getting pregnant and not being able to get an abortion? I mean you totally have enough money to fly to another state if that's the case.
Seems like she might be just stereotyping what she thinks people are like from other political spectrums. These should really be non-issues in your daily life.
Personally, I wouldn't move to some very liberal states but it's not because I don't like liberal people. Instead, it's because liberals enact laws that directly affect my quality of life, income, and education of my children.
What city did you end up settling in?
Try Charleston SC / Isle of Palms. Though I would personally move to Denver if I got a remote job.
Awesome why?
It’s unreal down there. Great cost of living and amazing people. The downtown district has tons of shopping and is well kept. The beach is fantastic and there is great golf.
Charleston also has a great entry level real estate market and you could easily afford a townhouse in one of those gated communities in mt pleasant and save for your home on the beach in a couple of years
Isle of Palms is great. Really mild climate, southern charm (Charleston is awesome), laid back vibe. Can’t beat it on the east coast imo. Reminds me a lot of what I liked about Ventura but a little different flavor.
Isle of Palms is nice, but I would prefer to live on Sullivan's Island within walking distance of the bars/restaurants. As an aside, Red Hot Chili Peppers played at Isle of Palms last night at the Windjammer. Pretty sick.
Nashville. Still relatively underrated (at least compared to Austin, Charlotte, Miami, etc.) and not super red like Texas. I believe the city itself leans liberal while Tennessee broadly is conservative obviously. Good food, oversupply of apartments, and weather is generally pretty solid.
You also can't live very comfortably for 250k in those other cities anyway.
We visited and thought there weren't any decent restaurants - overall placed felt a bit hillbilly, albeit nice collection of people.
Go with Dallas - the Texas stuff is super overblown. I would do ANYTHING to get myself back there - relatively low cost of living, every amenity you can think of, easy to get around, plenty of nature / sports / restaurants / culture, your $250K will go far there, and quality of life is exceptional.
Seriously, I don't know why people worry about guns so much - unless you live in the hood, are in a drug gang, are involved in drug trafficking, or are prone to beefing with "affiliated" individuals, you have a greater chance of being struck by lightning then getting pulled into gun violence.
Yea the gun concerns are weird. Frankly it’s quite easy to get guns outside of Texas or the other areas you’re concerned about.
I hear ya. I'd probably pick Dallas myself but not sure I want to push agenda with a wife that is so pro abortion/womens rights.
Keep ur canadian lib wife from ruining the states pls. Go to LA.
Or SF or Portland
Politics are a bad criteria to use. Not only is it only politics, but no state is as far red or far blue as you think. Look at the results of the last CA governor's election, it was 60/40. The electoral map has created a false impression that a "deep red" or "deep blue" state is going to be vast majority one kind of person. Not the reality.
Colorado is pretty amazing, you'd have to on the extreme end of warm-weather lovers to not want to be there. Most outdoor people have it at the top of their list.
At the same time, if you really do want the warm weather that badly, convince your wife of the point made in my first paragraph.
I think you mistake the issue - Texas as a whole makes abortion illegal, so it's not a 60/40 issue. TX goes one step further and prosecutes people and doctors that try and get/give abortions - pretty fkd up. I get having a religious take on it, so at least create a carve out for if a kid is r*ped or something - heck even some of the bibley states make it illegal but only after 12 weeks.
Abortion and guns are issues for people who are very into politics. Like they follow politics the way many of us follow sports. OP is making a practical real life decision about where to live, there's no room for political fandom to enter that decision.
Sometimes you just gotta put your foot down and tell the ol' ball and chain what's going to happen. Florida is excellent and a place like Liberty City in the Miami area would be a great place to start a family
Thanks bro. How realistic are hurricanes and floods in Florida? I was thinking about the west side, just south of Tampa in Sarasota but then I checked Google and it said downtown was flooded. My wife's grandfather had a house in Naples and it literally got completely destroyed 10 years or so back.
Wasn't sure if you were joking re Liberty City, thought that place was super ghetto.
If your wife won’t move to certain states because of the scary politics, maybe it’s time to get TikTok off her phone? Otherwise it sounds like you’ll have to compromise and move to Colorado.
One of the gun friendliest states, Maine, also has the lowest gun homicide rate in America. Illinois, a state with restrictive gun control measures, has a homicide by shooting rate of over 8 times that. Maryland is almost as restrictive as Illinois, yet they still have one of the highest rates of homicide by shooting. Gun friendliness really shouldn't be an issue for your wife if she values safety. Tough on crime measures (mainly found in red states) are far more effective in keeping people safe than gun control measures.
There are a lot of great places to live in America - both blue and red states.
Florida is not one of them. Don't make that mistake.
what's better than Miami outside of California (which is much more expensive)?
you're the man. who cares what she wants. you decide, and she should follow.
that's what I do. I just moved to Florida - it's gorgeous. people work the whole year to come here for a couple of weeks. and I can enjoy it every day. my girlfriend hates it, cause she hates hot weather and doesn't care for beaches, ocean, palm trees. but it didn't impact my decision.
What city u in bro
You sound exactly like someone who would love moving for Florida.
Lol is Florida that bad?
Where does she want to live?
After reading through, you basically want Canadian policies with American benefits.
As an American who lived in Canada for 2 years, that’s not how it works.
Either stay in Toronto, where the police tells you to leave your car keys on the door so robbers can take it without having to break into your house. Or man up if you want to live in the States.
Abortion stance, I understand, because I have seen complications that absolutely require it. But you can always travel for it early pregnancy if you need it.
Guns, heck no. Don’t bring your can’t even carry a knife on you policies here.
Go to California, liberals fit well there among 100 genders.
Didn't read, what do canadian policies with american benefits look like? Socialism with Capitalism?
Check out the aurora neighborhood. They have more reasonably priced homes and still fairly closeby to the city itself. Used to live around south-central Aurora. Here are some of my impressions:
Food: The Havana Corridor has many excellent places to eat. Ward IV has many incredible eateries, and is one of the best aspects of Aurora. You have Aurora mall, Costco, Gardens on Havana and Cherry Creek mall, and all the Asian and Hispanic restaurants on Havana along with the well known American chains
Parks and amenities: Ward IV and V are closeby to Cherry Creek State Park, which has great hiking and biking amenities, as well as a reservoir if you're into aquatic activities. The Havana Corridor may improve from an accessibility standpoint (bus rapid transit, bike improvements) over the coming years. Expo Park is there - the largest park in Aurora and is full of walking trails, ponds, and disc golf. The highline canal is there too! Generally, the farther east you go, the more car dependent the city becomes.
Schools / daycare- Ward IV and V are split between Cherry Creek and Aurora Public Schools. Both areas are diverse. Childcare is spread throughout the city but like anywhere else is very expensive
Also, you'd be on the border of Denver, only 10-30 mins of a commute depending on where you are. There are light rail and bus lines are here or are in close proximity. Housing stock is great (quality built homes, well kept, and large yards). Neighborhood is safe and quiet (typical suburban neighborhoods BUT with urban life not too far away. Still relatively affordable for Denver metro standards - you can find a nice 3 bedroom house there for around half a mil. If you are looking to buy, consider this area) & rent averages around ~3000/ month for a 3-4 bed
Area is also diverse - my neighbors had come from different cultures and geographies
Hm could be a decent area, probably away from tourists in downtown Colorado as well
Unless you are looking purely for diversity, aurora is not the way to go in CO.
I live in Miami, feel free to AMA
Why are you geh?
Interesting view! What do you like about Tampa?
You really have no restrictions on where you can live? Dude, fuck Charlotte/Denver etc., why isn't Hawaii in the conversation?
Lots of really good and really stupid comments in this thread from both sides of the political aisle. The long story short is actually that Dr. Rahma Dikhinmahas is correct - the politics of your certain city and state will not affect 99% of you DtD, and media outlets on both sides overblow shit like crazy to think that you're going to LITERALLY DIE HOLY SHIT if you step foot in one city, or state, or anything. Again, while there may be some things you are really wary of (i.e., abortion), it's just not gonna be an issue. Unless you plan on talking politics with everyone you encounter (please do not, those people are insufferable) then you will find that you are actually able to coexist with those you don't agree with! Like, normal people! Wow.
I've lived in NY, LA, DC, and have settled in ATX - all four of them being vastly different landscapes politically, geographically, and demographically. When determining cities (unrelated to job-related stuff, which doesn't seem like a barrier for you) I think comparing social settings and the cultures of cities is FAR more efficient than straight political positions. For example, here are my takeaways from those four:
This is a wall of text, but I encourage you to step away from pure political reasoning and look more culture-based. Of the four cities I mentioned, there are people who LOVE one of them to death. You may be one of them, you may hate all of them. Try and visit some and figure out some things to do. While NY will always be my home, I could really see myself settling in ATX for the long run, as it's got a really nice blend of a lot of things I like. That's me, however, and I am not you - you really just gotta see for yourself.
Best of luck with the move. Cheers.
Nice analysis and thanks for the shout.
If you don't mind sharing any of those cool hidden spots in DC, I'd love to know. Been here a few years, so far it's just felt like almost-NYC cost of living without any of the benefits.
Spent a few years in ATX back before everyone moved there. I know it's changed a lot, but even on recent visits there I've seen that the character is still intact. Great spot, jealous that you're there. All you need now is a place to escape the heat on summer weekends and you're golden.
I’ve learned this the hard way but generally just do what the wife wants
It’s worth remembering that most people responding in this thread are between the ages of 17 and 23.
Are there any affordable places in Colorado that are decently nice neighborhoods? Saw Aurora in the comments somewhere above, anywhere else?
Colorado or Denver? Your comment says Colorado but implies you really mean Denver...
Colorado in general - there are surprisingly a lot of pricy areas there - Boulder, Breckenridge, Vail, Aspen, Edwards etc.
Saw someone mention Aurora was a more affordable area, seems like a nice town
Do you need to be near downtown?
Tell her to turn off the news, shut the fuck up, and give her a slap if need be. Politics dictating where you live, let alone your wife’s, is pathetic.
- happily married 30-something
What makes you think Colorado, does not have a warm climate? It does. Snows/cold for about eight weeks then warm again in the Denver/Boulder area. Aspen for skiing if that is your thing. Water, and air so fresh.
Based off the comments and replies OP has made, it seems like he’s already made up his mind. Long story short, you’re going to find that everyone is different and letting a state policy determine where you go isn’t really that important unless you find yourself affected. If you actually fall under the examples of your wife gets abortions or you are afraid of gun-owners, I don’t know what to tell you.
I’m pretty conservative but even I could admit I’d probably be able to be good to live somewhere in California. It just isn’t what I’m looking for. If you could live anywhere, are you limited to just Colorado or Texas? Or were they just examples?
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