assuming i cant get into HBS/Stanford/UPenn, would it be beneficial to go to something like Booth over USC-Marshal/Haas if I want to settle down in Cali (LA or SF). I am talking specifically about HF/PE/IB/IM jobs focused in tech industry. How about something like Tuck?
Not yet sure if i want do more quant or sales hence I listed HF IB IM and PE. I believe for VC its a no brainer Haas would be better.
i think if you want to stay west coast and tech focused then haas should be pretty good to go?
i recently moved to east coast in pursuit of a consulting opportunity. now i realize i needa be back on the west. yep im one of those dumbfucks who don't know how to make the right decisions.
Don't feel bad. I once took a job in Buffalo.
Just giving you shit.
You should NOT turn down booth for haas/anderson/marshall even if you want to end up in california afterwards. Booth is a top 5 b-school which will give you amazing opportunities in buyside. Also, for tech related stuff, look at sloan.
This isn't even close.
Booth
Haas
Marshall
Booth should be top of the list.
Might want to look into MIT, Sloan is awesome and the connections to the Tech industry are great.
Haas and Marshal are great back-ups.
If you think you can't get into H/S/W, what makes you think you can get into Haas? Its acceptance rate is a mere 12%...below Warton's and only 1% higher than Harvard's. It's a great school, and while its reputation isn't as strong as H/S/W, it's nearly as difficult of a school to get into IMO.
But to answer your question...
Booth / Tuck / Haas / CBS will give you access to the opportunities you're looking for.
Acceptance rates for b-schools are very deceiving. Stern also has a lower acceptance rate than Wharton, but no one thinks those schools are comparable in selectivity. You have to look at the caliber of students applying.
Acceptance rates are based on applications, and there will be more applicants to Haas than an HBS b/c people know they are more likely to get into Haas. Only the top tier applicant will bother applying to the upper echelon of school, while a combination will apply to Haas. This will result in a lower acceptance rate, but has nothing to do with the caliber of student. So someone that has no shot by HBS standards can have a great shot by Haas standards.
If I have a 3.7 and 720, i have a way smaller chance of being accepted to HBS than Haas. There are way more people with a 3.7 and 720 than a 3.9 and 750.
Edit: Haas is still a really good school, but not a HBS, GSB, Wharton, Booth type.
Sure, we can all name at least 5-10 schools better than Haas, but I still think that it's a more difficult school to get into than a lot of the other top 10 business schools.
Just look at its average gpa/GMAT from last year: 3.64 / 718 -- that's higher than most of the M7 schools and it's edging up near HBS and GSB territory.
And yes, there are other less prestigious schools with acceptance rates lower than 15%. However, none of them can boast statistics comparable to Haas. I see Haas as an exception to the general rule. It attracts some highly competitive candidates that would have a shot with any top 5 school...but these people are attracted to Haas for specific reasons and see the school as a quintessential fit for them.
thanks everyone. appreciate your input.
pr0ficient, i think my backgroud (entrepreneurship, tech) might look more attractive at Haas vs some of the other aforementioned schools. I am sure its just as hard to get into Haas but I am just trying to weigh my options in terms of settling down on the west coast post-mba. HSW or even Booth if I get in abviously there's no way I am going to deny that (although the chances of that are super bleak). But I guess there's no reason to go to something like tuck, stern, or darden over haas for west coast opportunities. my original objective was to put other schools in the spotlight (for west coast) b/c Hass obviously makes logical sense.
It's not an exception at all. Haas is doing the same thing that Yale is doing. These schools keep their classes small because if they expand them, they cannot get enough quality candidates to keep the stats on par with other top schools. Employers, however, are very pragmatic and don't care about low acceptance rates, but rather about the quality of candidates. And if you take a look at the employer rating of Haas students, you'll see that it's in the 4.0-4.1 range - on par with Yale, Ross, NYU, Duke, etc. For comparison, H/S/W are in the 4.5-4.6 range and Chi/K/M are 4.4; Col and Tuck are around 4.3-4.2. This is how employers view students and adcoms try to admit people that will be rated highly by recruiters because that's what the business of MBA programs is about. This is why your average Haas student will not have an equal shot at the top 5 compared to your average top 5 admit and his chances are roughly on par with the average admit at NYU/Ross/Yale/Duke.
Hard stats don't tell the whole story and if you happen to work with MBA students, you'll see why GMAT doesn't matter past a certain point. I have enough experience with 750+ people who can't form a coherent sentence, have bad interpersonal skills, are not dependable, etc. - qualities employers look for. I’m not saying that high stats necessarily mean these things. However, that is the reason why MIT and K, for example, have had lower GMAT stats than Haas in the past several years, yet their students consistently had higher recruiter ratings. It is much easier to put in an extra effort and go from 700-720 to 750 than it is to have been consistently successful in whatever you have done for the past 5-10 years. The latter is much more expensive in the labor market.
The primary difference between a place like HBS and haas is not so much numbers but rather the quality of work experience and extracurricular achievements. At haas/stern/ross, you will see a lot of people who had good numbers but had very bland experiences. At HBS you see absolute rockstars who have achieved stuff that is mind boggling. Hence, when recruiters want the best people, they trust the decisions of the admissions committees and use school as a filtering mechanism for recruiting.
I would not count extracurrics that heavily as most of the time they are some bs involvement crafted with bschool in mind. I don’t think most people at HBS are exactly rockstars. Most of them are just smart, hardworking, and driven folks with great social skills. As you go down the rankings, I think the biggest difference is drive/social skills, i.e. people are still smart and hardworking (ok, after a certain point they get dumber and lazier), however at lower schools many are either not as driven or social or both, which I would not label as something bad, but rather a mix of personality factors and priorities (i.e. is it so important for you to work at McKinsey, or would you prefer to have more time for your family). Bschools just look for a set of very specific traits that make a good middle manager at a big corporation - this is where most top MBA grads end up anyway. Many people who are qualified to get a Phd from Princeton would have a hard time getting admitted to a top 15 because they don't fit the mold of the corporates . And it’s not like most people at HBS cured cancer – they just worked a lot to make it in the corporate world. The rockstars are a minority everywhere.
Outside the ones with national recognition: Haas, Marshall, Anderson
What do you guys think about Anderson and Marshall (in that order) for San Fran recruiting? LA is obvious, but does Haas steal all the SF jobs?
i appreciate everyones input. to make the topic a little more specific: to get a job at either sequoia/PIMCO/top west coast HF/AM firm, is it better to go to Hass or Booth/Stern/Columbia/Tuck? (Assmusing no previous banking experience. i will try to get some but its hard in these times).
Booth, Columbia, Haas, Tuck, Stern.
Haas and Tuck might be flipped depending on the firm and area within the firm, but the top two would be Booth and Columbia and Stern pulling up the rear.
Booth Columbia Haas Tuck Stern
Booth and Columbia are awesome for HF and IM, so those two are at the very top. Haas is weak, but since you want west coast, they do get some recruiting from places like pimco and dodge&cox. But very few haas mba students get front-office roles at top HF and IM.
Stern is awful for buyside. Not worth wasting your money on stern if you want buyside.
MIT not stern fyi. stern no bueno on buy side. and prolly booth columbia, less so tuck then mit id argue
I think if you are able to get into booth (buyside in general) or sloan (tech heavy) you should go there as opposed to a tier II school on the west... Tuck would be borderline vs. a haas or something... I really couldn't call that one. But you should definitely go to booth if you get in there as opposed to USC or some garbage like that (no offense to anyone who went/goes there...)
I think if you are able to get into booth (buyside in general) or sloan (tech heavy) you should go there as opposed to a tier II school on the west... Tuck would be borderline vs. a haas or something... I really couldn't call that one. But you should definitely go to booth if you get in there as opposed to USC or some garbage like that (no offense to anyone who went/goes there...)
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