MBA - school visit required?
Thinking about applying to b-schools 2-3 years down the road. Does anyone know if it is required to visit the schools before applying. I understand that it gives me a better idea about the school's culture, student body, if it's good fit for me etc, but is it required if I can gather that information from current students/ alumni of that school? Does visiting a school increase my chance of getting an interview at that school?
If it is required to visit the schools, should I visit a year before applying? Or is it better to visit 2 years before I apply? Maybe it tells the adcoms that I'm truly interested in that school?
On the other note, how much money should I have saved up by matriculation? How much did you usually have saved up before matriculating? I know this is a potentially a very personal question, so I fully understand if few, if anyone, chooses to disclose. However, ball park figures might help prospective MBAs know they are far from alone in facing the costs.
not required, but it may help in certain situations.
A couple thoughts to support @whattherock" said - I would visit as you get closer to actually applying though (i.e. 1 year before or less), this will help you be up on ongoing topics of interest on campus. This helps in the interview process as you'll be able to better articulate the "why" of that particular business school. If you do go, be sure to sign up for an official tour when your applicant profile is open.
I know for a fact that most business schools track your attendance at different events, and though I doubt they can formally preference one person over another just because person A visited the school, it's my personal thesis that in a tiebreaker with another candidate with the exact same resume, the ad come will go for the candidate who has shown more interest in the school.
I'm in law school not an mba program. However, I will say that I wish I had saved at least enough money to cover the cost of living. If I go get an MBA, I will have a better plan to cover COL. It's one thing to take a lot in tuition. It's quite another to add 25k a year in COL. (Luckily where I am is not that bad though) Of course, unless you're making a TON you won't be able to save 50k in two years. But you should be able to save at least 1k a month. 24k will be a big help, and hopefully you'll get an internship after the first summer to cover as much as possible of the second year.
My personal experience is that visits specifically don't matter; connecting with the school does. So, while that doesn't necessarily mean going on a campus visit, it does mean trying to reach out to alumni, current students, etc. and talking to them wherever you are (or by phone if you're both in different places). I didn't visit a single school I applied to (I had family obligations that prevented it), but I did a LOT of talking to alumni and current students to really understand the values of each school and used that information to demonstrate my interest via the application essays. Good luck!
I agree with @negativebasis, connecting with alumni/current students can definitely help make up for not visiting the school. Regardless, it's this kind of extra knowledge that gives you an x factor in the application essays / interviews.
I would make 100% sure to visit any school outside of your "stretch" schools to help give them comfort that you will not end up as a member of their community and not simply a negative data point towards their yield. The best way to do this imo is the weekend trip. Take a Friday or Monday off and spend the weekend with students at the school as well. I was very surprised to learn that school culture is a pretty tangible thing, and not always in the ways that people parrot (e.g., Wharton = quant, Kellogg = outgoing, etc.). Good luck!
Outside of H/S/W, I would visit. I didn't meet a single person who did not visit the school we all currently attend.
I would visit, and during a formal (read: tracked) event targetting prospective students if possible. I visited three of four schools I applied to in round 1 (I did not visit HBS but I had been there many times in undergrad). The cool thing was, of the three programs, the campus I loved the most and people I clicked with the best were at the program I landed at. It made me feel a lot better about signing the dotted line.
Some programs are rumored to ding students that they consider high risk for turning down their program for another. Going out of your way for a school visit might help that sort of situation. I have no idea if that is true but it can't hurt to play it safe.
You're preparing to spend $150,000 and 2 years of your life. I wouldn't spend $20k on a car if I hadn't seen it. Hell, I wouldn't spend $100 on a dog if I hadn't seen it (and your application fees alone will be $250-300). It's worth a little bit of change to make sure the move is right for you. You never get the full feel of campus through pictures. And I guarantee that you don't get the real feel for culture until you sit and talk with current students, on campus. To someone's earlier perspective, Wharton was nothing like I envisioned it - the culture there seemed very intellectual and collaborative, not that competitive quanty group I had envisioned. Booth (where I'm headed) struck me as incredibly down to earth and passionate, and was full of many of the nicest people I met through the b-school process. My Stanford trip was short lived due to an illness but also worth it (though I will admit I was already in California for other reasons so it wasn't that far out of the way).
If it is a stretch to visit them all at least pick 2-3 that you are really interested in and have a decent shot of being admitted to. For the outliers (as GSB was for me) it's a bit more reasonable to throw in an app and hope for the best.
I strongly suggest a visit. You'd be surprised what you pick up from being on-site. If not for the school's sake, then to take a look at where you should try to live, where others live, etc.
At my school, you got paired up with current students and they let admissions know if they wanted you as a classmate. A visit can get you an edge over other people who aren't explicitly embraced by the student body.
Business School Visits (Originally Posted: 01/18/2013)
I have scheduled several visits this spring to my target B-Schools for 2014 admissions. I know at best these visits will only slightly bump up my changes for those schools that ask about visits in the apps, however, I believe they will be valuable for my essays and to get a feel for the school.
That said, these trips are expensive as I am located in the south and all my target schools are NE, Midwest, or West Coast. For schools such as Harvard and Stanford particularly, would it likely be worth the cost of visiting these schools?
I visited most of my schools while writing essays and it helped tremendously. That said, most were in the Northeast so it was relatively easy. I’d say you should definitely visit a few days before admissions interviews (if invited), try to group visits (i.e. if seeing HBS, try to hit Columbia, MIT, etc. if applying there as well). Hard to say and impossible to quantify but I found visiting helped my overall application be more genuine and passionate so I found the couple hundred $ on some visits worthwhile. Most schools have programs where a current MBA student will host you and you crash on their couch. Still have to buy your own plane tix but it’s a cheap alternative to hotels and great for getting to know the school, students, etc.
I wouldn't do it if you're already sure that you're going to apply to these schools and money is an issue. I think the top schools (H/S) place almost no value on whether or not you've visited. They know you're genuinely interested in attending. The only exception is Tuck -- I had an admissions member specifically tell me that they heavily discount applicants who live close to Tuck and don't visit given the school's unique location away from major cities.
When I visited campuses, I didn't get too much out of it. It is great to get a feel for the facilities, where students live, and the types of students that are accepted. This stuff matters most when determining which schools to apply to and which one to ultimately matriculate at. So if cost is a concern for you and your schools are set, I'd save the visits for after you've been accepted to programs.
Also, don't forget to reach out to students who might be running various groups around campus / student government to schedule phone conversations about the school. This will help you tailor your essays and you can name drop.
This might be a good alternate to actually visiting.
TL:DR: Visit schools to find out how they feel to you, not because you think it'll have any impact on your chance of admission.
I'll echo the comments above that visiting the top schools (H/S/W) will not make any difference to the school on your application. They know that you want them. It could potentially help your application at schools that want to feel the love from you - Tuck, Kellogg, and Columbia come to mind.
There is value in visiting your potential schools before you apply or around interview time, and namely it's getting a feel for your fit.
I visited HBS a few times, sat in on class, talked with students, etc. It helped me figure out that HBS is relatively more regimented than other schools, with more emphasis on tradition and being driven by the administration. I was impressed at the level participation of the students in the classroom, if nothing more than that every student was paying full attention to the class and not surfing the web on a laptop, etc. Was introduced to the class and received applause - nice touch. I also got a good feel for the weather - it was cold, gray, and pouring a snowy/sleety mush. It just so happened that as I walked into Spangler, sopping wet, Dee Leopold was the first person to greet me, with a smile on her face. That went a long way for me as impressions go.
Was hesitant to even apply to Stanford because of its selectivity and the idea that everything on the West Coast is so far removed from the East Coast. Met Derrick Bolton at an admissions event, and he sold me hook,line, and sinker on the school. After talking with him, I really believed that Stanford was going to help me change the world. Visited Stanford post-interview and was completely taken in by the campus. November and the weather was amazing and had a great time walking around to all the stores and hangouts along the main strip. Attended an ethics class with a friend and realized just how different things were at Stanford. I was given a chair and sat in the back corner of the classroom with another student's boyfriend who was in town visiting. That was it. I have to admit that I was a little irritated that a handful students walked in to class late, and twice during the lecture, the instructor had to stop class to stop sidebar conversations. Definitely an environment that I knew would take some getting used to.
Visited Wharton in Philly and loved the campus as well as the Rittenhouse Square area. Ended up doing my interview in San Francisco at the EMBA building and was equally impressed with the modern facility there and the amazing view of the Bay Bridge. As luck would have it, Ankur Kumar was my interviewer. The whole interview process (group and one-on-one) wasn't as high stress as I had expected, and Ankur was particularly genial. After the experience, I wasn't sure what to think because my interaction with students had been a very mixed bag. Some were helpful and excited to talk to me about the school, but others gave me a "How does talking to you make me better off?" or "Make this quick." vibe. On the whole, I guess the Wharton students' self-interest was a little more transparent and projected than at other schools.
After my visits, I had a clear rank order of where I wanted to go, which is something very individual and can't be captured by any of the popular rankings.
I found visiting campuses super helpful - as mentioned - for interviews and writing my essays. I didn't visit thinking the visits would give me any advantage over those who did not visit. Writing the "Why ___ MBA program" is much easier after visiting campus, meeting students, etc. It is also a good way to realize a school is not for you, saving you a couple hundred $$ down the road (not counting the money spent to actually visit) and the time it takes to write an app.
The campus visits will help incredibly. It changed my personal rankings because I actually got a feel for each of the schools, and some came across much better then others.
Visit as many as possible and get in touch with 1st years now who will be 2nd years when you apply. Your conversations will pinpoint what resonated with you when you go to write essays or interview. Generally schools have some sort of ambassador program that will link you with a 1st/2nd year with similar interests.
B-School Visits (Originally Posted: 08/19/2014)
App season is upon us. Any of you guys visiting schools this fall? I plan to visit a few and wanted to ask those who have already gone through the process what things to consider to maximize the benefit of your visit. For those of you who have already visited, how long did you stay? Should we be meeting with professors and alumni? Any tips or recommendations of places to visit for specific schools (I'd say for MBA business schools">M7 and Top 15)?
Sorry for the dumb questions, I just wanted to be prepared especially since it is a hefty cost of time and money for multiple visits across the country.
Most schools in that range have a pretty well-defined campus visit program. Usually, it's some combination of a tour, class visit, lunch with students, information sessions, panel discussion, etc. There may also be less frequent programs that involve some evening social activity.
Professors and alumni? Only if it's part of the school's visit program or you have a personal/family connection. As far as specific places to visit, try to stay near where most students live/go out.
How to network at BB school visits (Originally Posted: 08/12/2011)
Hey guys,
A couple BBs are holding information sessions at my university in early November. ( UBS and Merrill Lynch). I have never been to one of these and wanted to know the proper way to go about networking at these events and getting one's name out there. What should one say to the recruiter?
Please Advise,
Thanks!
Be ready to pounce on the staff with questions, etc., because everyone else will be.
Best Time To Visit B-Schools? (Originally Posted: 08/16/2012)
Hi,
I'm applying to business schools next year and would like to visit these schools during the 2012-2013 academic year.
That being said, when is the best time to go visit business schools?
I don't want to go to early because it would be harder to talk to the admissions office, since they are swamped with applications. I've also heard that students are busy preparing for interviews for summer internships.
I don't want to go to late because students will be busy cramming for final exams.
When would be good...October? November? March?
I think the best option is spring. Recruiting season is over, 1st years have been through an entire year and can talk about their experience, and admissions is pretty much don filling the class (or pretty close to it)
bob above is prolly right on.
Totally agree that spring is the best time to visit. Students are much more accessible. You can actually talk to admissions officers when they are on the road at fairs and at their own events. That's their job. You really want to see students in action and check out fit, and spring is better because everyone is happier
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Visiting US b-schools (Originally Posted: 09/19/2014)
Hi all, I'm planning to apply next year. In the meantime, I'm planning to visit the United States for a week and see all business schools I'm interested in. The ones I'm thinking of applying to are Wharton, Booth, Columbia and NYU Stern.
How do I plan this road trip best? Which days of the week should these schools be visited? Who should I talk to?
Any recommendations are appreciated.
I would go on Google Maps and plan out the trip to see which ones are closest to each other. If starting in New York, I would go to Columbia and NYU first, then Wharton, then Booth. Remember, Booth is about 11 hours away from the east coast.
Schedule an info session and sit in on a class if possible. M-Th is best, since most do not have class on Friday. The main thing is to meet with current students and admissions, just to get your name out there. See which schools fit with your personality.
Philly and NYC are only a 2-hour drive or a reasonable train ride. For the love of all things, fly to Chicago.
Check out the schools' admissions websites. Campus visit programming tends to be pretty well-defined (tour, class visit, chat with students, chat with adcom0 so you won't really have to freestyle. All you have to do is sign-up a bit in advance, as campus visits do fill up. Many schools offer campus visits almost every day, but may have certain days with extra programming (e.g. Booth Live) that might be worthwhile to plan around.
Also, don't be afraid to ask what the social scene looks like for the evening or to go hang out with students. For Booth, visit on a Thursday and ask your tour guide where TNDC is that night.
Coming from abroad, try to get in touch with current students from your home country. I think admissions will even facilitate this. I know of multiple instances where foreigners from Europe and Latin America got in touch with Booth students and stayed at their apartments (for free). It gave them a much better feel for the social scene, which is hard to get if you're just doing a tour, class visit, and walking around the city.
NYU / Columbia / Wharton are all very close to each other. You're better off flying to Chicago if coming from New York. Short flight but saves a lot of time.
Do something like this:
Fly into JFK/EWR
Day 1: Columbia Day 2: Stern > Take an Amtrak to Philly (evening) Day 3: Wharton > Flight to Chicago from Philadelphia (evening) Day 4: Booth Day: Flight back to your home country from ORD
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