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by Morehouse2010 User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 13 Banana Points Points) on 12/3/08 at 1:35pm

I am a Junior finance major at Morehouse College who is interested in pursuing banking. With that having been said, I watch alot of CNBC on top of a whole lot of reading to get a grasp and the functions of the market.

When I was watching CNBC today one of the guys on squawk box noted that the spread between government-issued corporate bonds were at there highest and also noted that in respect to the 5-yr Treasury, it had a 1.716% yield at 60.5 basis points.

What exactly does all of that mean and where can I find more information specifically on the relationships between bonds and their yields?

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Hmmm...

by ymdeutsch User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 8 Banana Points Points) on 12/3/08 at 2:22pm

I think your problem is a result of 2 things:

1) Not actually opening up your finance textbooks in the classes you take.

2) An overall fear of mathematics, numbers, and the percent sign (%) that most undergraduate finance majors struggle with.

The only other thing I can think of is that you have never heard of Google (www.google.com) or Wikipedia (www.wikipedia.org).

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ymdeutsch... why so harsh?

by youngmoney User's RSS Feed (Senior Orangutan, 385 Banana Points Points) on 12/3/08 at 3:02pm

ymdeutsch... why so harsh? he's just asking a question... true, there's ways of finding the answer to that, but no point is getting aggressive. And i'd say most finance undergrads are relatively confident with the % sign. You weren't there that long ago...

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quick google found this, but

by jackofalltrades User's RSS Feed Certified User (Gorilla, 748 Banana Points Points) on 12/3/08 at 3:18pm

quick google found this, but I know there's better info out there. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&refer=home&sid=aec7wvoKeNEM

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I Was Never There

by ymdeutsch User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 8 Banana Points Points) on 12/3/08 at 3:30pm

youngmoney -

I was NEVER a finance undergraduate in college. So, technically I was NEVER there.

Believe me. If he asked that on a desk, he'd be yelled at much more harshly.

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So what?

by Toblerone User's RSS Feed (Baboon, 101 Banana Points Points) on 12/3/08 at 4:16pm

Ymdeutsch, sorry but... this is NOT a trading desk.

I think you're one of those people that enjoy being a jackass to others... I feel sorry for you.

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morehouse

by thedude User's RSS Feed (Senior Baboon, 178 Banana Points Points) on 12/3/08 at 4:45pm

supply and demand. as demand increases for something the price increases and yields go down.

economic uncertainty and market panic has caused people to flee the equity and private debt markets because they fear that many companies are at risk of going under; decreased demand -> decreased price -> much higher yields.

all this money flees to a perceived risk free investment, government debt. the increased demand causes the price of the gov't debt to rise and their yields to drop.

thus where we are today and the answer to your question.

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have to agree with the second poster though, you should know this if you are a finance major... or its just one more good example of why I think economics breeds smarter graduates (while not as technically skilled) than finance.

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OUCH!

by Morehouse2010 User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 13 Banana Points Points) on 12/3/08 at 5:30pm

Thanks for all of your help... maybe i should've been a little more specific.

1. I haven't taken any finance courses yet because I just completed my poli-sci minor ymdeutsch.

2. I understand the bond price/bond yield relationship

3. I've been reading this book called the 'Bond Book' and it is helpful, but what I'm more interested in are the reasons behind these numbers? Why would that specific number (1.713% at 60.5 bps) is not a good one. What exactly causes a difference in the yields and prices between a 5 yr treasury note vs. 2, 3 or 10 yrs. How do these relationships affect eachother? Outside of the equities market, what other factors influence T-note rates? (ie- How does the report of lower manufacturing affect t-notes? Do they even have an influence?)....

Google and wikipedia don't really seem to have a real-time answer for my questions... So again, are there any resources that can help answer these questions?... I heard that PIMCO has pretty good info, but I really want an in-depth technical analysis that would really explain the numbers...

Anyone catch my drift?

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answer to 3....

by thedude User's RSS Feed (Senior Baboon, 178 Banana Points Points) on 12/3/08 at 6:14pm

...market expectations and time.

your essentially asking what causes the she shape of the yield curve.

expectations of inflation/deflation (economic growth or decline) is key and when these events are supposed to occur and to what degree.

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Decent Example to help you Conseptualize

by thedude User's RSS Feed (Senior Baboon, 178 Banana Points Points) on 12/3/08 at 6:40pm

http://www.investmentu.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/20060102.jpg

in the above picture who knows what was expected to drop the 5 year yield down from the two year (inverted yield)... probably belief we would see a period of declining economic growth and plummeting interest rates during that period... :0)

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