The good news- as James Gorman promised, you get to keep your jobs! The bad news- you're quite possibly getting nada at bonus time. Nada not as in "shitty compared to Goldman," nada as in zilch, zero dollars.

While Morgan Stanley is sticking to Gorman's promise not to make any redundancies, it appears the axe may be hovering not above jobs but bonuses, specifically those of new recruits who have failed to deliver.
If you're wondering if Morgan Stanley is trying to send a message by not paying you, or if you're just being paranoid, the answer is yes, they're sending a message and hoping you'll take the hint.

"There's a lot of disappointment at Morgan Stanley with some of the hires that were made," alleged the headhunter. "Some people are going to get zero bonuses in the hope that they clear out and make way for upgrading in 2011." (Fact: Zero bonuses are often nicknamed 'doughnuts").

"Morgan Stanley's still underweight in a lot of areas," said another fixed income headhunter. "But there will be clear signs this year to the people there who are not up to par. You're going to see a lot of zeros."

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Comments (9)


It sucks to be them, but you know what, no bonus is better than no job.

I'd rather be happy I have a job despite poor performance and no bonus than I would out on my ass with bonus in hand. Bonuses are incentives to perform, not a guarented payout. Meet your goals and get paid for doing what you said you would instead of getting paid and not delivering on what you set out to do.


oh dang...although lots of students would still work for MS with just 70k anyways


morgan stanley will be fine. one year w/o bonuses wont kill them...when the markets pick up again, they'll rape like every other bank


insider tells me that the zero bonuses are applying to s&t and not banking, they over hired in trading and they didnt perform, banking had a solid year as usual


Yeah, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to IBD / Corp Fin.

In reply to monkey42

insider tells me that the zero bonuses are applying to s&t and not banking, they over hired in trading and they didnt perform, banking had a solid year as usual

This is what everyone told me when I asked them about the hiring freezes back in Sept... they weren't quite right.

It's my understanding that this isn't exactly a new practice, at MS or other banks. Although I think typically it's a somewhat subtle message that you should probably just quit, so maybe there's a change in the underlying message.


I believe this (and the majority of other articles discussing bonuses) are referring to more senior bankers not analysts


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