Loan Syndiation under Investment banking arm

Hi,

Can anyone provide any information on what the Loan syndications team that are housed within the Investment banking arm of a bank (Lev Fin) do? Speficially, a place like Barclays. It seems quite interesting but I have no idea what the work involved nor the differences between it and other Loan syndications group (eg. some groups are in DCM, some are in Lev Fin etc.). Do they get involved in any complex modelling? Any info helps me out alot. Thanks :)

 

Loan syndication is a fancy way for banks to name their corporate revolvers division.

These groups typically focus only on pro rata deals, and typically focus on the IG space.

You won’t do complex modeling, but you will get sweet wlb. It’s a great gig for someone who wants to be in front office banking but has zero interest in grinding.

 

Any more info about bonus range and exit opps? 
Just landed myself a SA in loan syndication

 

In my time, loan syndication junior got the same base as other groups with slightly lower bonus. The pay delta really started to widen at the post associate level.

However, I also noticed the turnover in these groups was much less.

So I think this is a decent place to get some internship experience or start your career. And like I said, it’s a very cushy job. You may not get crazy m&a type bonuses, but you’re not going to ever be pulling an all nighter to close a new rcf for a triple B client.

 

I work in a syndications group at one of the consistent top balance sheet BBs and can weigh in.

I echo what was stated above, but would add that another big piece of the job (at least at a place like JPM/BofA/Citi) is acquisition financing. Many times in an acquisition the target company will require the buyer to obtain “committed financing”. This often comes in the form of bridge facilities or underwritten term loans. Basically these are interim credit facilities that are provided to ensure the Acquirer can pay for the acquisition. These facilities are then terminated once the acquirer puts in place permanent financing to pay for the acquisition (bonds, equity, etc).

Before announcement, these interim bridge facilities or term loans are provided by “initial underwriters”, typically 1 or 2 banks, and then syndicated to other lenders. The initial underwriters are paid handsomely for providing these large commitments and taking the risk that these facilities might not be able to be syndicated successfully.

This is the sweet spot for syndications teams and where they make all their money. In some instances, on really large blockbuster transactions, a bank can earn $100mm+ fees on a single transaction if they are the buy side M&A advisor, initial underwriter on the interim financing (bridge facility) and also a book runner earning outsized economics on the permanent financing.

WLB is very good in a syndications group. As an Associate I am typically unplugged by 8 or 9 PM most night and rarely work weekends. I would note that this WLB goes out the window when a large M&A financing pops up, but you’ll typically only have a few of these each year.

Comp at the junior levels is the same as other product groups and coverage groups. My Ana1 all in comp was $170k and Ana2 was $225k. I also went A2A and was given a $40k sign on. At the senior levels, base salary is the same as coverage groups, but there is much less upside in the bonus category.

It’s a great career if you want to have a front office, client facing role, but don’t want to run yourself into the ground. It’s also more of a high volume / low touch job compared to something like M&A where you might only be working on a few deals at a time.

 

Thanks for your response, this explains alot. Could you please highlight the difference between the below:

-Corporate Banking (under Corporate and Investment Banking CIB strucutre)- From my friends who have intered in corporate banking CIB, they explained their role was identical to what was mentioned above. What would the difference be between a CIB Corporate banker and loan syndication analyst? 

-Some in some banks, Loan syndication comes under Lev Finance, and in others it is in DCM. What would the difference be in these cases?

-What are some common exit opps?- No worries if you don't have a solid answer as I don't care too much for exits.

 
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When you hear corporate banking, you should immediately think “relationship management”. Corporate bankers main responsibility is to maintain the relationship with a client at the Treasurer/Assistant Treasurer level. At this level of the organization, Treasurers and Assistant Treasurers are mostly focused on their companies cash position, so Corporate Bankers spend the majority of their time with clients talking about 1) cash management products 2) credit facilities which provide liquidity and 3) helping the Company meet funding needs via funded debt (term loans or bonds).

This differs from “investment banking”, where as investment bankers maintain the relationship between the bank and the client at the CEO/CFO level. At this level of the organization, the CEO/CFO are primarily focused on “strategic events”. These are primarily 1) identifying potential acquisition targets 2) identifying potential purchasers of their Company (if the Company is looking to sell itself) or 3) raising equity capital, depending on where the Company is in their life cycle. 3 is mostly unique to smaller growing company’s. Most large blue chip companies very rarely if ever issue public equity given its the most expensive form of capital.

So, the punchline is, Corporate Bankers focus on cash management products, credit facilities, and debt capital markets issuances with clients. Investment bankers focus on strategic activity and equity issuances. Corporate Bankers and Investment Bankers are the face of the banks they work for, and they then rely on their related internal product partners to handle the execution of whatever product they are mandated on (DCM = IG bonds & IG credit facilities, LevFin = high yield bonds and high yield loans, ECM = all equity products, M&A = M&A).

Now that that is out of the way, I understand your confusion between Corporate Banking and Loan Syndications. Revolving Credit Facilities are the corner stone relationship product between a company and a bank. Banks lose money on these but extend them anyways to position themselves for other ancillary business opportunities. As a corporate banker, when your bank is invited to participate in a syndicated revolving credit facility, you will be involved in writing up the internal capital/credit approval memos, basically justifying why your bank should participate.

Note that if you work in Loan Syndications, your team ONLY works on credit facilities which you have been mandated as the Left Lead Arranger and the Admin Agent. The Syndications team will be on point for structuring the credit facility and then syndicating it….they’ll be the one talking to all of the other banks that are invited and coordinating the process in general. That’s the difference between corporate banking and loan syndication.

To answer your question on Lev Fin vs. DCM, that is just a function of the credit ratings of the subject companies. Most banks will have 2 loan syndications team. One for Lev Fin that will handle loan syndication for Lev Fin clients. This is often referred to as the pro rata market. These are revolvers and TLAs that banks commit to. Then, there is an additional loan syndications team for Investment Grade clients, which sits within DCM. These are (mostly) all senior unsecured revolvers and some TLAs (not as common in IG as bonds have recently been cheaper than bank loans…mostly only see TLA in this space with M&A financing).

On exit ops, it’s really a toss up. This is not a technical job and there is no modeling experience. Most people that join syndications tend to want to stay for the long run, and there really isn’t a lot of turnover. I have seen people go from syndications other groups internally (DCM to cover bonds, LevFin, Investment Banking Coverage), but I’m not aware of any that have gone on to PE or HF.

 

Loan Syndications - wow lot of misinformation in this thread.

  • Loan syndications "expert" in Restructuring weighing in (@Smoke Frog - you're in Rx - what makes you qualified to be the guy to answer this Q? At no point did you issue a caveat that "btw I work in a different area so take w/ a grain of salt". 
  • JPM/BoFA /C ASO Syndications guy - appreciate you weighing in. Good M&A content. Are you from UK/Europe? I noticed your nomenclature "Interim Facilities" - that's what I see UK credit agreements call it. Or just wording to be helpful in ppl conceptualizing?
  • At the BB banks they may separate RC/TLA (Bank lenders, aka "Pro Rata") vs. TLB (Institutional lenders) and call RC/TLA "Commercial Banking" or a different name - yes.  Makes sense due the volume in both, for one. And the recurring nature of these RC/TLA refinancings is maybe another reason. Idk. But at other banks, espeically non-BB smaller banks, "Loan Syndications" = TLA & TLB. They do it all. Project financing too.

Correct Misinformation, Add-in Missing Content/Insight

"Loan Syndications" = For BB Banks, this may be just RC/TLA (Pro rata) & they separate TLB financing team to Lev Fin Capital Markets - but at other smaller banks, I've found this is not the case, and would generalize the BBs as being the exception. Loan Syndications at smaller banks manage loan financing across the ratings spectrum (IG/Lev Fin), marketed to both Bank & Institutional clients (TLA+TLB). Too small to separate teams, for one.

Naming convention Synonyms: Loan Syndications = Loan Capital Markets & Syndicate = Leveraged Finance Capital Markets (if non-IG) = Syndicated Finance = Syndicated & Leveraged Finance Capital Markets.

Now to correct the Rx guy @Smoke Frog weighing in on a space he's not in line by line

(1) "Loan syndication is a fancy way for banks to name their corporate revolvers division":

  • even at BB's in commercial banking, they're targeting both RC/TLA financing for clients with leverage <4.0x where this makes sense. Great example is middle market companies. Huge space. So not just revolvers. TLA too.

(2) "These groups typically focus only on pro rata deals, and typically focus on the IG space."

  • typically focus on IG Space - not true. For BB-rated credits, and non-IG financings where leverage <4.0x, RC/TLA bank financing may be appropriate. >4.0x leverage - banks can't do, due to SNC/Leveraged Lending Guidance.
  • BB-rated TLA deals - pricing @ L+150 vs. TLB L+175, thus a no-brainer for BB-rated credits to maximum TLA to capacity, and then the rest of Secured debt to TLB after that to lower borrowing costs.
  • BB-rated TLA - largest - 2019 - a ton of names above $1.0 billion in size. So @Smoke Frog - you are billions and billions off on that focus on IG there w/ pro rata: Dell, Western Digital $5,022MM, Charter Communications $4.5B, Universal Health Services $2B, Perspecta $2B, Hologic $1.5B, DaVita 1.75,B, HealthEquity, II-VI, Nexstar.  First Data $4.75B. Worldpay/Vantiv, Coty, etc. Previously Broadcom was like $6B.

"you won't do complex modeling": You won't do complex modeling, but you will get sweet wlb. It's a great gig for someone who wants to be in front office banking but has zero interest in grinding.correct.

  • Correct. That's responsibility of Lev Fin group. Why is that a negative? You're doing other high-value work and gaining skillsets in other areas that Lev Fin isn't (legal docs, structuring).
  • Why is inputting terms and numbers into an existing model template you use every day so "complex", I ask? Seems like it's 2nd nature once you learn the ins n outs of the spreadsheet a bit. Congrats - you know how to reference numbers and input data entry into a software program. Vastly over-rated, commoditized skillset that you can pay $200-400 to take an online TTS course in

"you're not going to ever be pulling an all nighter to close a new rcf for a triple B client"

"It's also more of a high volume / low touch job compared to something like M&A where you might only be working on a few deals at a time." -

  • this sounds like more of the role of someone in "Corporate Lending" vs. Loan Syndications. There's a difference. Agree w/ that on Corp Lending. But CL is a great area to learn and build a skillset too. High Volume = great learning via multiple examples. You also have access to deal sites of literally every deal that exists for the bank. Giving you ACCESS to content

"Note that if you work in Loan Syndications, your team ONLY works on credit facilities which you have been mandated as the Left Lead Arranger and the Admin Agent"

  • - not true. Disagree. You work on all underwriting transactions and also best efforts mandates - both left and right lead opportunities

"These are (mostly) all senior unsecured revolvers and some TLAs (not as common in IG as bonds have recently been cheaper than bank loans…mostly only see TLA in this space with M&A financing)."

  • Mostly true but missing the motive/need. Yes - IG Cap Structures = RC + Notes. IG M&A Cap Structures = RC+TLA+Notes (issuing a Bridge Loan of CVS/Aetna $49, taken out by $5B TLA $44B Notes). At a loan conference someone at GS i think once said "IG companies issue TLA to *Appease rating agencies*. TLA has amortization of say 5%/annum - ratings agencies love that bc that = certainty of deleveraging, and offer no prepayment premiums - so there's flexibility to repay debt early or based on FCF.  Vs. Notes/Bonds do not have amortization, and heavy prepayment penalties. So in other words - IG companies doing M&A financing that are say BBB-rated don't want to fall to B/B2 or BB (non-IG). So they work w/ rating agencies to on expected deleveraging over a 18-24m period post-close. And TLA piece is an element of that - to maintain IG or BBB ratings, as mentioned above.

"I have seen people go from syndications other groups internally (DCM to cover bonds, LevFin, Investment Banking Coverage), but I'm not aware of any that have gone on to PE or HF."

  • Look around - I have plenty of examples of Loan syndications to any lev fin or direct lending. Not PE per se.
  • I'll stop there. Thoughts? Comments?
 

What would be the primary differences in skill sets that one could obtain in corporate banking vs syndications? According to the explanation above, seems like corp banking offers more opportunity for learning the technicals (writing credit memos, spreading comps etc) vs syndication just coordinating the process. I originally thought because syndications is still "IB" and CB is relationship mgmt, exits from the prior would be easier. Please correct me if I'm wrong!

 

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