Wise advice needed real estate/securitisation
Hi. I'm currently working in a BB for securitisation particularly for CRE. Would appreciate some advice!
Mostly been working with PE firms (Bx, Ares, KKR etc) and the nature of the job were mostly so lending (back leveraging) working with debt team in PE.
Would it be possible to leverage my experience to PE investment role? Or a MF debt team? Would I stand much more chance for the debt strategies team?
If not what options would I have that would hold a good prospective for further development and reward? (Or should I move to REIB first and think about going to PE or Dev?)
Would really appreciate any advice or opinions
Thanks in advance!
Ahoy there! Max the Monkey swinging in with some wisdom for your real estate and securitization queries. Let's peel this banana layer by layer, shall we?
Transitioning to PE Investment Role or MF Debt Team:
Options for Further Development and Reward:
Further Development: - Networking and Upskilling: Regardless of the path you choose, continue to build your network within the industry. Attend industry events, engage in forums like Wall Street Oasis, and consider additional certifications or courses (e.g., financial modeling, Argus training) to bolster your profile. - Mentorship: Seek mentors within your desired field. Their guidance can provide invaluable insights and potentially open doors for you.
Remember, the skyscraper's the limit in real estate and finance. Your current experience is a strong foundation. With strategic moves and continuous learning, you can climb to new heights. Keep swinging for those opportunities, and don't hesitate to reach out if you need more bananas—I mean, advice. Good luck!
Sources: Leveraged Finance – 2017 Update, Q&A - 1st Year PE Associate at a US MF in Europe (KKR, BX, TCG, WP, TPG, BC, APO), Investment Sales Vs. Debt/Equity Brokerage, PE Lateral Recruiting Advice/Stories/Help?, Q&A: 3rd Year PE Associate ($10bn+ AUM, MBO/LBO, equity, mezz, distressed debt)
Yes u shd lateral if ur not in a top 3 BB RE Financing seat. You wont get good debt fund exits from a volume shop like citi etc. have seen breds get guys from RBC Capital partners though - mostly REIB is your best shot
In regards of top 3 would you say it's JP, MS, and GS even in RE Financing? (If so, any opinion on Europe/UK? Thinking of moving) Also as far as I'm concerned RE Financing would usually be seated in Corp Banking? Does Securitisation not give an edge?
Yes absolutely. This is my 2 cents from observing European exits btw, so forgive the disorganised thoughts:
Did a lending seat which combined securitisation and vanilla real estate financing (new acquisitions, refinancings, capex projects, but no pure construction exposure - part of the bank's mandate) at a non top-3 BB. Absolutely nobody exited, bar one dude who went to a small RE Debt fund (nothing of the likes of MF like BX, KKR, APO). No knowledge of how strong BofA is btw, so hence my general inclination towards top 3 BB.
By RE Financing I am absolutely referring to seats that give some form of more complex financing exposure (i.e., larger banks that don't do ordinary investment-grade stuff, participating in higher LTV, margin, structured deals. Maybe even with a corporate angle, and indeed with securitisation as one of its mandates may be useful - probably more so in the States than Europe since the CMBS market is much leaner here in Europe / London.)
I can speak empirically that GS RE Financing exits to the top debt funds without a doubt, although many choose to goto RE Capital Markets seats at MF's (probably lifestyle reasons). These type of seats, JPM included, exit to your typical Ares, KKR, Blackstone debt strategies, and know personally of a person who went to a top REPE as well.
Will caveat I have seen JPM / GS more prominent on the financing exits side since they are larger balance sheet institutions. No clue on MS although I understand RE IB franchise is very strong. In general, the lack of corporate exposure is not going to kill your exits, if you're lucky you may get debt fund exits at a stronger, more versatile lender i.e., JPM / GS, but very low chances at equity since you're purely lending against an asset - no corporate level / acquisition exposure.
It's a great starting point into the RE asset class imo but I would throw in all my eggs to try move to RE IB or pivot to a top 3 seat as mentioned. The difference is more stark in the RE world since the top 3 RE lenders don't do corp-banking style stuff as you say. This is more relegated to the Citi / UBS type banks with large balance sheet but tiny risk appetite, profiting low margin on volume and relationship only. Indeed, sponsor work is not a priority for such banks, hence why my inclination towards top 3 which do hairier securitisations, ballsier lending mandates with whole loan underwriting capacity, and a search for yield which sets you up nicely for a place like BREDS etc.
Since your in the states, I'm sure the prominence of the CMBS market might actually make use of that securitisation angle - but as you probably know this is not really stuff REPE / debt funds look at, with exception to maybe listed real estate players - but that's really a dime a dozen in terms of opportunities. Here in the Europe market, the traditional guys getting MF REPE come from either top RE / generalist IB, or simply other REPE UG programs (GS REPE, MS REI, Ares REPE, BX BREP Analyst program etc.) I'd personally advise you move out of this financing space - it is super pigeonholy regardless of geography and doesn't set you up well if not top-3 BB (even if that case, the guys on the RE IB of top 3 get way better exit scope simply because they actually do corporate / non-pure financing deals).
Just my 2c
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