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bingobongo
     ST
 
(Senior Chimp, 24
 
Points)
 on 10/31/08 at 9:51pm
2009 Starting Salaries

Just making a post for 2009 S&T Starting Salaries / Signing Bonus (first-year is listed)...

Group One - 50/5 (from what I heard)
CTC - 65/5
BofA - 60/10
Barclays - 65/10 (I think? or its 60/15)

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hungryman's picture

barclays S&T is 60+15, same

hungryman
     PE
 
(Senior Monkey, 98
 
Points)
  on 10/31/08 at 10:13pm

Barclays S&T is 60+15, same as banking. +5 if you got hired out of their summer analyst program

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strato22's picture

Deutsche is 60+10

strato22
     ST
 
(Senior Chimp, 26
 
Points)
  on 11/1/08 at 6:22pm

60k plus 10k "settling in award" which I guess counts as a signing bonus.

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bingobongo's picture

merrill ibank 62.5/12.5

bingobongo
     ST
 
(Senior Chimp, 24
 
Points)
  on 11/1/08 at 5:22pm

don't know if trading is the same for them...actually, i don't know if they honored their trading offers from summer...

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WesternWildOut's picture

UBS IBD 60k + 10k Barclays

WesternWildOut
     IB
 
(Senior Monkey, 82
 
Points)
  on 11/1/08 at 6:07pm

UBS IBD 60k + 10k
Barclays IBD 60k + 15k

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aloki's picture

For ML, 12.5 only if you

aloki (not verified)
IB
 
(Chimp, 0
 
Points)
  on 11/1/08 at 7:24pm

For ML, 12.5 only if you sign early. 70k for trading, unsure about banking (I'm not aware of them raising it to 62.5)

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m0nk3y's picture

MS/GS for IBD & S&T: 70+10

m0nk3y
     IB
 
(Monkey, 42
 
Points)
  on 11/1/08 at 10:33pm

MS/GS for IBD & S&T: 70+10

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Clueless Wanderer's picture

Wonder if other firms will

Clueless Wanderer
     IB
 
(Baboon, 143
 
Points)
  on 11/2/08 at 2:27am

Wonder if other firms will eventually raise theirs for the incoming to match the firms that are going to be paying 70k.

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bearing's picture

That would be a nice treat.

bearing
     ER
 
 
(Senior Orangutan, 478
 
Points)
  on 11/2/08 at 2:49am

That would be a nice treat. I would much rather have a higher salary considering bonuses are going to be next to nil for the next few years.

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sol's picture

..

sol
    
 
(Orangutan, 280
 
Points)
  on 11/2/08 at 6:19am

GS/MS already pay their first year analysts 70k. This began late summer.
It was announced as a suprise,up from 60k.
Don't know how other firms can follow now- but who knows.

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trade4size's picture

100k at a boutique for S&T

trade4size
     ST
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,116
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 3:27am

100k at a boutique for S&T which will remain unnamed.

"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.

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strato22's picture

100k for a first year?! How

strato22
     ST
 
(Senior Chimp, 26
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 10:22am

100k for a first year?! How could any first year possibly warrant that kind of base, unless your not getting a bonus. You must have made it rain this summer.

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b4f's picture

citi banking is 65+10

b4f
     HF
 
(Senior Orangutan, 417
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 12:58pm

Citi banking is 65+10

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wikkidmeister's picture

Citi IBD (regional) is 60+10

wikkidmeister
     IB
 
(Chimp, 13
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 3:31pm

Where did you get your info from b4f? Unless they pay their regional ibd analysts less, I'm pretty sure it's 60+10

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b4f's picture

u are correct

b4f
     HF
 
(Senior Orangutan, 417
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 4:22pm
wikkidmeister:

Where did you get your info from b4f? Unless they pay their regional ibd analysts less, I'm pretty sure it's 60+10

sorry just confirmed from my friend and you are correct. she initially thought it was 65 for some reason but it is indeed 60+10 still.

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trade4size's picture

Pretty hard to believe I know

trade4size
     ST
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,116
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 4:23pm
strato22:

100k for a first year?! How could any first year possibly warrant that kind of base, unless your not getting a bonus. You must have made it rain this summer.

Honestly I have no idea how they are willing to pay that much. I about choked when I was given the figure I was that shocked. All I can say is it really pays to have someone thats willing to go to bat for you. Develop those relationships as early as you can.

"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.

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ihatebanking's picture

Nice

ihatebanking
     IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,591
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 4:30pm
trade4size:
strato22:

100k for a first year?! How could any first year possibly warrant that kind of base, unless your not getting a bonus. You must have made it rain this summer.

Honestly I have no idea how they are willing to pay that much. I about choked when I was given the figure I was that shocked. All I can say is it really pays to have someone thats willing to go to bat for you. Develop those relationships as early as you can.

Im assuming this is your offer? Was there any talk about bonus?

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trade4size's picture

Yes there is a bonus. I

trade4size
     ST
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,116
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 4:48pm

Yes there is a bonus. I didnt go that in depth and still only have a few details. I am being offered to help form a desk with some senior guys that I know very well. This is all very informal and clearly not the norm.

"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.

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bingobongo's picture

goldy tech

bingobongo
     ST
 
(Senior Chimp, 24
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 5:56pm

heard that goldy tech / ops is 63/10.

last year, Citadel ITAP & FTAP was 100/20, with 8 relocation. and 1st-yr bonus buckets were 40/60/100...don't know if that'll continue. execution was considerably lower.

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Clueless Wanderer's picture

Damn Citadel has a sick

Clueless Wanderer
     IB
 
(Baboon, 143
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 6:32pm

Damn Citadel has a sick compensation package.

Turnover is high as hell but damn..

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IBchimp's picture

What I've Heard

IBchimp
    
 
(Orangutan, 274
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 8:17pm

Most starting IB salaries I've heard are 60K+10

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Soy's picture

Does anyone know about DE

Soy
     HF
 
(Senior Monkey, 72
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 9:12pm

Does anyone know about DE Shaw?
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EpicWinner123's picture

NOT S&T or IB

EpicWinner123
     ST
 
(Orangutan, 278
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 9:31pm

Barclays Finance 55K + 15K Bonus
Citi Ops 60K + 10k Bonus

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if much given much expected's picture

MS s&t upped to 70 + 10

if much given m...
     ST
 
(Senior Monkey, 68
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 9:46pm

MS s&t & IBD upped to 70 + 10 in response to GS

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strato22's picture

Boutique-1, BB-0

strato22
     ST
 
(Senior Chimp, 26
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 10:32pm
trade4size:
strato22:

100k for a first year?! How could any first year possibly warrant that kind of base, unless your not getting a bonus. You must have made it rain this summer.

Honestly I have no idea how they are willing to pay that much. I about choked when I was given the figure I was that shocked. All I can say is it really pays to have someone thats willing to go to bat for you. Develop those relationships as early as you can.

I guess that's much easier to do at a boutique (and an added benefit). There's no way I can convince the compensation committee at my BB to throw that kind of money my way.

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cunninglinguists's picture

Citadel

cunninglinguists
     ER
 
(Monkey, 38
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 10:38pm

Citadel and a lot of other hedge funds will not be paying bonuses for a while. Considering they are down significantly (Citadel down 30%), they have to make back their investors money before they pay out bonuses. This is called a watermark. Furthermore, there is even talk of a few going from 20/2 to 10/1, at least temporarily, to keep the investors from pulling their money. In this market, I would take an offer at a respectable market-making firm way ahead of an offer at a hedge fund (with a few notable exceptions).

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cunninglinguists's picture

prop or agency?

cunninglinguists
     ER
 
(Monkey, 38
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 10:41pm

just curious, trade4size, is this prop or agency trading? I assume a boutique would not have the capital to have a prop desk.

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monkeying_around's picture

CS is 60+10

monkeying_around
     ST
 
(Chimp, 1
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 10:53pm

+2.5 if sign on early (for summer interns)

damn, i didn't know some banks were offering 70+10...hmmm, should've shopped around.

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trade4size's picture

Both, but im not sure how

trade4size
     ST
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,116
 
Points)
  on 11/3/08 at 10:58pm

Both, but im not sure how that fits in with the legalities. I really dont want to say more as this is a public forum. Posted this mostly because I wanted to show others that "bigger isnt always better".

"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.

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massthetapunk's picture

Prop

massthetapunk
     ST
 
(Chimp, 2
 
Points)
  on 11/4/08 at 4:30pm

what about other prop trading in chicago?

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bingobongo's picture

citadel

bingobongo
     ST
 
(Senior Chimp, 24
 
Points)
  on 11/4/08 at 6:40pm
cunninglinguists:

Citadel and a lot of other hedge funds will not be paying bonuses for a while. Considering they are down significantly (Citadel down 30%), they have to make back their investors money before they pay out bonuses. This is called a watermark. Furthermore, there is even talk of a few going from 20/2 to 10/1, at least temporarily, to keep the investors from pulling their money. In this market, I would take an offer at a respectable market-making firm way ahead of an offer at a hedge fund (with a few notable exceptions).

their first year bonus buckets were 40/60/100 last year, like you aptly stated, I also doubt that this will be the case going forward...I know that their watermark problem is solved -- i think they are going to restructure their kensington/wellington funds, then reset the watermarks...I know they are moving to a different approach (they used to be one big-ass FOF...but I think they are splitting it up now?).

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wrkhrd4life's picture

For what its worth...

wrkhrd4life
     IB
 
(Chimp, 4
 
Points)
  on 11/4/08 at 10:22pm

My offer at Wachovia is currently 60/15 (10 if you didnt accept before Aug. 15th). Lets hope it stays that way :/

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Vanos's picture

NYC Boutique

Vanos
     IB
 
(Senior Chimp, 17
 
Points)
  on 11/5/08 at 1:34pm

Well known NYC M&A/Restructuring boutique - 75/10

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bearing's picture

Top 3 NYC BB ER - 60/10

bearing
     ER
 
 
(Senior Orangutan, 478
 
Points)
  on 11/5/08 at 9:10pm

Top 3 NYC BB ER - 60/10

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ews006's picture

Citadel

ews006
     HF
 
(Chimp, 1
 
Points)
  on 11/6/08 at 7:38pm

Just got an offer for Citadel FTAP
100k base + 20k signing + 8k relocation + variable bonus

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indian-banker's picture

there's a PE firm in Dubai

indian-banker
     IB
 
(Senior Gorilla, 811
 
Points)
  on 11/7/08 at 12:13pm

there's a PE firm in Dubai that my cousin joined right after graduating from a target in the US. His base is 85K US + 10k sign on + car (non-taxable). Not sure what his bonus will be like but most likely around the 40-50K range.

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kins09's picture

MER S&T

kins09
     ST
 
(Chimp, 4
 
Points)
  on 11/13/08 at 12:49pm

The starting salary was raised to 70k for MER S&T? Was this for people outside the summer program? Summer hires were offered 60k/12.5k, were some notified that the salary was being bumped?

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cunninglinguists's picture

Chicago Prop Trading Firm

cunninglinguists
     ER
 
(Monkey, 38
 
Points)
  on 11/13/08 at 9:18pm

85k

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Getco's picture

MM Bank, Investment Banking

Getco
     IB
 
(Baboon, 118
 
Points)
  on 11/14/08 at 12:24am

MM Bank, Investment Banking Analyst, Generalist - 60k + 10

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b4f's picture

McK 70+10 DE Shaw 110+20

b4f
     HF
 
(Senior Orangutan, 417
 
Points)
  on 11/14/08 at 8:05am

McK 70+10
DE Shaw 110+20

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FnLxpress's picture

Citigroup Sales and Trading

FnLxpress
     ST
 
(Senior Monkey, 66
 
Points)
  on 11/14/08 at 10:05pm

Citigroup Sales and Trading 60+10

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xqtrack's picture

mck really has a base of

xqtrack
     IB
 
(Gorilla, 555
 
Points)
  on 11/15/08 at 4:11am

mck really has a base of 70??

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big unit's picture

McKinsey doesn't have a base

big unit
     IB
 
(Gorilla, 608
 
Points)
  on 11/15/08 at 8:00am

McKinsey doesn't have a base of 70, nor a signing of 10, so that is inaccurate (unless it was negotiated and not a standard starting BA offer)

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Soy's picture

B4f: really? I've seen

Soy
     HF
 
(Senior Monkey, 72
 
Points)
  on 11/15/08 at 3:01pm

B4f: really? I've seen contracts for D.E. Shaw and they offer less than 100K base. Unless they got bumped up due to small bonuses..
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cooperman's picture

so it seems that BB ops/fin

cooperman
     ST
 
(Monkey, 43
 
Points)
  on 11/15/08 at 3:07pm

so it seems that BB ops/fin makes pretty much the same salary+signon as the s&t and ibd? given that front office bonuses will be tiny next few years, how is this justified?

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aachimp's picture

.

aachimp
     ST
 
(Gorilla, 697
 
Points)
  on 11/15/08 at 6:01pm
cunninglinguists:

85k

could this be Optiver?

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indian-banker's picture

i've heard different for De

indian-banker
     IB
 
(Senior Gorilla, 811
 
Points)
  on 11/16/08 at 12:40am

i've heard different for DE Shaw actually. less than 110K but maybe it's a case to case thing.

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aachimp's picture

.

aachimp
     ST
 
(Gorilla, 697
 
Points)
  on 11/16/08 at 11:41am
indian-banker:

i've heard different for DE Shaw actually. less than 110K but maybe it's a case to case thing.

probably, i've heard of people starting with much more than 110k.

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Soy's picture

Bridgewater pays 100k base,

Soy
     HF
 
(Senior Monkey, 72
 
Points)
  on 11/16/08 at 2:13pm

Bridgewater pays 100k base, plus 20k sign-on
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Brady4MVP's picture

Just discovered this thread.

Brady4MVP
     HF
 
(Neanderthal, 2,621
 
Points)
  on 2/24/10 at 10:31am

Just discovered this thread. I thought Citadel's base salary for first year analysts was $85K, but i guess i'm off. Pretty sick that you could make a total of $220K as a first-year analyst. Can't think of any other financial firm where you can make that much right after college.

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There she is again: Diane Sawyer, the primary ABC evening news anchor, with another installment in their interminable series of reports on imports and employment in America. I could just strangle her. One week their (alleged) reporters go to people’s houses and look at everything the occupants...
Sawyer’s Syndrome: The ABCs of Trade and Employment
Fellow Primates, We are looking for 1-2 students on each campus to help WSO in its sales efforts to student clubs/career centers, and overall promotion at your school both online and on the ground. Below is a description of the position and benefits...thanks in advance for your help! <a...
WSO Campus Representative Program
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