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on 1/2/13 at 1:24pm
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Someone had to say it.
Someone had to say it.
"A man generally has two reasons for doing anything. One that sounds good, and the real one." - J.P. Morgan
I honestly don't know what
I honestly don't know what the GOP wanted out of this. If anything, Obama gave them more than he ever had to. The tax rate increases on income are minimal with an incredibly high ceiling relative to the income of virtually all working Americans (incuding the vast majority of folks in finance), cap gains and dividend tax rates are only at 20%...and that's locked in from here on out.
The GOP had zero leverage and still got things it wanted. To hear random GOP reps whining about the bill makes me laugh. Do these clowns not know how a negotiation works? Were they aware of the sorts of tax rate increases we were looking at if no deal was made?
Let's just say no deal had been made. Obama has his inauguration speech coming up. He could literally use a speech that has more viewers than any State of the Union speech and gets TONS of coverage to blame huge tax hikes on the GOP. He honestly gave the House Republicans a gift.
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Zero leverage? They could
Zero leverage? They could have allowed us to go off the "cliff" which probably would have benefited the country in the long term.
Dems fucked up. Tax increases were de minimis. And they still have the Dems hostage with the debt ceiling.
They should just demand serious cuts to entitlements and if they don't get it do not raise the ceiling.
The rich are paying their "fair share" or whatever that childish and nebulous statement means. Now it is time to tackle the real issue, over spending on entitlements by a nanny state government.
And Fuck you Harry Reid. Asshole.
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I just absolutely love
I just absolutely love Boehner. Whenever I unfortunately catch a glimpse of Obama, which I avoid at all costs, sadness washes over me. But then I see Boehner and I feel better.
Such a dominate Republican.
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TNA: Zero leverage? They
Zero leverage? They could have allowed us to go off the "cliff" which probably would have benefited the country in the long term.
Dems fucked up. Tax increases were de minimis. And they still have the Dems hostage with the debt ceiling.
They should just demand serious cuts to entitlements and if they don't get it do not raise the ceiling.
The rich are paying their "fair share" or whatever that childish and nebulous statement means. Now it is time to tackle the real issue, over spending on entitlements by a nanny state government.
And Fuck you Harry Reid. Asshole.
I wanted us to go off the cliff, it would basically force us to fix the problems we've brought upon ourselves.
re: the debt ceiling. Isn't it a little ridiculous because:
1.) They already passed the bills that require the debt ceiling to be lifted. If anything, they should pull this shit during debates on bills and just shut down the government. Instead, they are passing bills on credit and then refusing to pay the bills after they've already gotten their goodies.
2.) Entitlements play a role, but so does absurd defense spending. These assclowns rant and rave against stimulus spending to create jobs, but won't touch defense spending, which is insanely bloated stimulus spending.
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Well I think you will see the
Well I think you will see the Dems counter with some defense cuts, which will be the political cover for social spending cuts.
You could do $50B off defense and $50B off social spending. Not enough, but $1T over a decade sounds sizable in the news.
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TNA: The rich are paying
The rich are paying their "fair share" or whatever that childish and nebulous statement means.
Ah, but see that's the beauty of the "fair share" argument. The rich will never really pay their "fair share", because that "share" just keeps changing. I guarantee you Obama or other Dems are going to continue to say that the rich still aren't paying their "fair share", since they didn't get all they wanted out of them this time around. It's the perfect argument, as most of the their base will never be classified as "rich", and thus won't see their "fair share" go up, will continue to vote for it.
2.) Entitlements play a role, but so does absurd defense spending. These assclowns rant and rave against stimulus spending to create jobs, but won't touch defense spending, which is insanely bloated stimulus spending.
I agree that alot of the "defense" spending is wasteful, but I don't see it going away soon. During these times of economic distress, political tensions rise for very little reason. Iran/Isreal, China/Japan, hopefully these don't escalate but if they do, daddy America will step in. Not that I think we should be world police, but it's likely that we would intervene, and you can't do that with a gutted defense budget.
Besides, defense spending is $700 billion a year, and to an extent has controllable future spending levels. Spending on social welfare programs is twice that much, and we have an estimated future liability in the tens of trillions. It's far easier to make small to moderate changes to those than to slice the defense budget in half.
All I want is some spending
All I want is some spending cuts. I'd even settle for deduction elimination since the tax code spends nearly what we pay and frankly, is why only 50% pay Fed taxes.
Just make the 1st $30K in income tax exempt and have maybe child tax credits for one/two kids for lower income people. Everyone else pays a progressive income tax with no deductions.
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TNA: All I want is some
All I want is some spending cuts. I'd even settle for deduction elimination since the tax code spends nearly what we pay and frankly, is why only 50% pay Fed taxes.
Just make the 1st $30K in income tax exempt and have maybe child tax credits for one/two kids for lower income people. Everyone else pays a progressive income tax with no deductions.
Yes!
I'm even open to it being phased in so that people who have had a certain level of deductions all their lives can continue to have them.
I honestly believe that people under the age of 30 are far more willing to make sacrifices and live within our means than any of the baby boomer clowns that fill most of Congress.
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TheKing: TNA: All I want is
All I want is some spending cuts. I'd even settle for deduction elimination since the tax code spends nearly what we pay and frankly, is why only 50% pay Fed taxes.
Just make the 1st $30K in income tax exempt and have maybe child tax credits for one/two kids for lower income people. Everyone else pays a progressive income tax with no deductions.
Yes!
I'm even open to it being phased in so that people who have had a certain level of deductions all their lives can continue to have them.
I honestly believe that people under the age of 30 are far more willing to make sacrifices and live within our means than any of the baby boomer clowns that fill most of Congress.
Agree. Never happen though since politics is about being elected, not serving this country. Deductions get you votes and a simple system, while fair and easy to understand, won't get votes.
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TheKing: I wanted us to go
I wanted us to go off the cliff, it would basically force us to fix the problems we've brought upon ourselves.
Same here. Reverting to the tax and expense structure that's worked out for the better part of the last century seemed like a good idea. .....or we can just continue to add $1TT of debt every year while talking about how bad it gets. I'm not a partisan and what I see is both parties running up the bill. So, knocking about half a trillion off the accumulation seemed like a good idea. But hey, what do I know.
* on another note *
Hey Boner, that's you're fucking name, right? How about you GO FUCK YOURSELF
You heard me.
Pull a disaster relief bill under cover of this negotiation? $80B is chump change for you guys and you yanked it? Disaster relief is the FUCKING POINT of an agency like FEMA, and we bailed out the fucking morons in New Orleans when they needed it. Hate the NorthEast or not, this was a dick move where discretionary spending really would be a good long term move. Period. I personally came out ok through the hurricane, but A LOT of people I know got fucked, hard. I WANT MY TAXES TO GO TO THIS AND I'M PUTTING UP MY OWN AFTER TAX MONEY TO FUND RECONSTRUCTION FOR FAMILY AND FRIENDS. DO YOUR FUCKING PART. Even Cris Christie, who I like, is calling this a mistake. When he becomes president next cycle, I hope he burns clean the GOP of such scumbaggery.
When you gonna be on TV crying again, you fucking wuss. I hope you read this: big man telling a senior citizen to get fucked, how about we go toe to toe so I can make you my bitch. Fucker.
....if you can't tell, I'm out of my mind with anger right now and just broke another phone when I read this in the news.
Hey, Boner, I said GO FUCK YOURSELF
*punching wall*
/endrant
/going boozing
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Christie is a traitor. I'd
Christie is a traitor. I'd dick him on disaster relief also. Nothing like blowing Obama in the last leg of a Presidential election.
And the last fat man elected President was Taft. Image is everything.
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TNA: Christie is a traitor.
Christie is a traitor. I'd dick him on disaster relief also. Nothing like blowing Obama in the last leg of a Presidential election.
And the last fat man elected President was Taft. Image is everything.
If you want to start electing winners you need to cut this attitude. Christie is gonna roll in 2013 all the way to 2016 contention and you're angry because he doesn't have a life size Barack Obama doll hanging from the ceiling of his basement. Remember, Rick Santorum vs the democratic nominee will be an even bigger rout than 2008. If that's what you want, keep thinking the way you're thinking.
And if it makes you feel better, Romney would have lost without Hurricane Sandy.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." --Abraham Lincoln
UFOinsider: TheKing: I
I wanted us to go off the cliff, it would basically force us to fix the problems we've brought upon ourselves.
Same here. Reverting to the tax and expense structure that's worked out for the better part of the last century seemed like a good idea. .....or we can just continue to add $1TT of debt every year while talking about how bad it gets. I'm not a partisan and what I see is both parties running up the bill. So, knocking about half a trillion off the accumulation seemed like a good idea. But hey, what do I know.
* on another note *
Hey Boner, that's you're fucking name, right? How about you GO FUCK YOURSELF
You heard me.
Pull a disaster relief bill under cover of this negotiation? $80B is chump change for you guys and you yanked it? Disaster relief is the FUCKING POINT of an agency like FEMA, and we bailed out the fucking morons in New Orleans when they needed it. Hate the NorthEast or not, this was a dick move where discretionary spending really would be a good long term move. Period. I personally came out ok through the hurricane, but A LOT of people I know got fucked, hard. I WANT MY TAXES TO GO TO THIS AND I'M PUTTING UP MY OWN AFTER TAX MONEY TO FUND RECONSTRUCTION FOR FAMILY AND FRIENDS. DO YOUR FUCKING PART. Even Cris Christie, who I like, is calling this a mistake. When he becomes president next cycle, I hope he burns clean the GOP of such scumbaggery.
When you gonna be on TV crying again, you fucking wuss. I hope you read this: big man telling a senior citizen to get fucked, how about we go toe to toe so I can make you my bitch. Fucker.
....if you can't tell, I'm out of my mind with anger right now and just broke another phone when I read this in the news.
Hey, Boner, I said GO FUCK YOURSELF
*punching wall*
/endrant
/going boozing
Bro, that fucking bill is a JOKE! Filled with pork that has nothing to do with Sandy. Furthermore, fuck all those gamblers who didn't have insurance. You take a risk by not having any, you reap what you sow.
txjustin: Bro, that fucking
Bro, that fucking bill is a JOKE! Filled with pork that has nothing to do with Sandy. Furthermore, fuck all those gamblers who didn't have insurance. You take a risk by not having any, you reap what you sow.
Insurance for a once in a lifetime storm? Literally a storm more powerful, by far, than anything that's ever come before it. You serious?
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TheKing: txjustin: Bro,
I agree about the insurance,
I'm a lover, not a fighter, but I'm also a fighter, so don't get any ideas.
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OkComputer: TNA: Christie
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[quote=txjustin] TheKing: D
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TNA: L O L at the thought of
I'm just here for the free food
Christie was a speaker who
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Anyone who thinks that
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TheKing: Anyone who thinks
I'm just here for the free food
Christie did way more than
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I'll take someone who thinks
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Obama to
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If I voted, I would probably
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TheKing: I'll take someone
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I'm pretty sure that voters
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TNA: OkComputer: TNA: Chr
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." --Abraham Lincoln
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The other nominees were good
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TheKing: The other nominees
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TNA: OkComputer: TNA: O
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." --Abraham Lincoln
I think you're spinning
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Romney had a lot of money.
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TNA: OkComputer: TNA: O
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." --Abraham Lincoln
TNA: we have way more
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Trust me, I am against dumb
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Enough taking cheap shots at
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." --Abraham Lincoln
OkComputer: Enough taking
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TNA: OkComputer: Enough
TNA: You don't anger the
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TNA: OkComputer: Enough
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." --Abraham Lincoln
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Gotta love the use of the
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And like I said before, a
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." --Abraham Lincoln