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 on 12/11/08 at 10:30pm

Great article by Michael Lewis (author of Liar's Poker) from Bloomberg News.

A Wall Street Job Can't Match a Calling in Life: Michael Lewis 2008-12-10 05:03:00.0 GMT

Commentary by Michael Lewis
Dec. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Recently I received a letter from a young employee of a well-known financial firm, who asked that I not mention his full name, his employer or anything else that might give him away. Though a bit short on self-pity and self- dramatization, this letter was otherwise a fine example of a sort I've received often these past few months.
"I am writing you for advice," Anthony (let us call him) began. "I graduated in May of 2008 and since July have spent my time entangled in the culture of (his well-known New York bank).
I'm thinking about leaving. My dad labored his whole life so I could have the opportunity to do something like this, so leaving isn't exactly what I want to do. I know if I stay here I could work unbelievably hard and move through the ranks, or maybe move firms... (but) I guess I'm starting to question the whole securities industry."
The young man went on to concede that what attracted him to Wall Street was the chance to get rich quickly, and the excitement -- but that both of these things now seem gone forever.
"So I have this plan to go to Hollywood," he wrote, but then instantly undermined himself. "I feel confused, a little stupid, but yet somewhat confident. I mean, I read your book, I figured out how to get to Wall Street from a non-Ivy League school, and I got here. The only question now is, if I leave, where do I go?"
Let me try to help sort it out:

Dear Anthony,
On several occasions I have taken my own advice and it has almost killed me, and so I'm a tad uneasy about offering it up to you. But if you promise not to take it any more seriously than I do, I'll answer you as best I can.
Let's start by putting your problem into perspective: You still have a job. You work at one of the world's biggest banks.
It's true: The thrill and money is rapidly being drained from such places. Your big bank, like all the other big banks, seems to be in the process of being nationalized -- thus the longer you stay the more you may find yourself in something resembling a government job.
But that's not all bad: Government jobs are secure. You are also young, in your early 20s, and without a family to support.
That is, unlike the vast majority of the people on and off Wall Street, you have the luxury to wallow in your misfortune.
Now let's wallow. We're at the beginning of a recalibration of the role of finance in global economic life. The excitement and the money that attracted you to Wall Street will probably not return for a long time. If these really are the only reasons you became a financier you probably should find something else to do with your life.

Hollywood Lurch

But before you go lurching into Hollywood let us make sure you aren't simply repeating the mistake you made by lurching onto Wall Street. That is, let us focus less on your immediate condition -- safely employed but disillusioned -- to the habits and beliefs that led you into it.
You were never exactly wrong. If you'd been born 10 years earlier and behaved exactly as you have done, your career might well have made you as rich and seemingly successful as you imagined your father wanted you to be. You simply came to Wall Street too late, and are in the strange position of a man who won the lottery on the first day there was nothing in the pot.
The mistake you made, in your view, is to have played the lottery on the wrong day. The mistake you made, in mine, was to have played the lottery at all.
There's a question you might ask yourself: Am I looking for a job, or a calling? On the one hand the importance you attach to your career suggests a desire for a calling; on the other, your instinct to abandon your chosen career the moment it ceases to offer an easy path to fame and fortune, suggests that what you're really in the market for is a job.

Job vs. Calling

The distinction is artificial but worth drawing. A job will never satisfy you all by itself, but it will afford you security and the chance to pursue an exciting and fulfilling life outside of your work. A calling is an activity you find so compelling that you wind up organizing your entire self around it -- often to the detriment of your life outside of it.
There's no shame in either. Each has costs and benefits.
There is no reason to make a fetish of your career. There are activities other than work in which to find meaning and pleasure and even a sense of self-importance -- you just need to learn how to look.
Reading between the lines of your letter I sense that some of your anxiety is caused by your desire for the benefits of each
-- job and calling -- without the costs. Perhaps that is what led you to Wall Street in the first place, and why your mind now turns to Hollywood.

Doing Well

What Wall Street did so well, for so long, was to give people jobs that they could pass off to themselves as well as others as callings. Such was their exalted social and financial
status: Wall Street jobs made people feel special without actually having to be special. You never really had to explain why you were doing it -- even if you should have.
But really, the same rule that applies to properly functioning financial markets applies to other markets: There's a direct relationship between risk and reward. A fantastically rewarding career usually requires you to take fantastic risks. To get your seat at the table on Wall Street you may have passed through a fine filter, but you took no real risk. You were just being paid, briefly, as if you had.
So which is it: job or calling? You can answer the question directly, or allow time to answer it for you. Either way, I think you'd be happier if you stopped thinking of what the world had to offer you, and started thinking a bit more about what you had to offer the world. Real excitement isn't just in whatever you happen to be doing, but in what you bring to it.
In the end, you have to look for it not on the outside, but on the inside. In my experience, if you find it, the other stuff will take care of itself.

(Michael Lewis, author of "Liar's Poker," "Moneyball,"
and "The Blind Side," is a columnist for Bloomberg News. The opinions he expresses are his own.)

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I guess figuring out what my

SAC
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  on 12/11/08 at 10:37pm

I guess figuring out what my "calling" is, is the hard part

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I wonder how many people

xabaglione
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  on 12/11/08 at 10:42pm

I wonder how many people actually find their "callings" in their lifetime..
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This really frustrate me.

Getco
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  on 12/12/08 at 12:25pm

This really frustrate me. Its such a cliche for the analyst contemplating a career change because wall street wasn't what he thought it was supposed to be.

The people on this board want to work on wall street. We give and take advice so we can build careers. Its frustrating because it really belittles what we are about on WSO.

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Getco, i think you are

junkbondswap
    
 
 
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  on 12/12/08 at 12:35pm

Getco, i think you are missing the point...and this is a very real issue that all people face once they enter the "real world" life is really just a big trade-off between time and money

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Sounds like that guy didn't

FreeMarketer331
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  on 12/12/08 at 1:36pm

Sounds like that guy didn't really have a passion for finance or the markets, he just went for whatever job would make the most money. If you have zero interest in a job, any job, of course you will be miserable and desire a change. I've met plenty of miserable doctors, teachers, accountants, etc. You don't have to love what you do for a living, but I think you should at least have an interest in the field. People shouldn't have such high expectations of their jobs, that's what charity or pro bono work is for.

"Give me guys that are poor, smart, and hungry. And no feelings." - Michael Douglas as Gordon Gekko in "Wall Street"

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soc0820
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(Monkey, 42
 
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  on 12/12/08 at 1:47pm
junkbondswap:

Getco, i think you are missing the point...and this is a very real issue that all people face once they enter the "real world" life is really just a big trade-off between time and money

It's alot easier to find things to do with your time when you have money.

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fordhammasta
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  on 12/12/08 at 2:43pm
soc0820:
junkbondswap:

Getco, i think you are missing the point...and this is a very real issue that all people face once they enter the "real world" life is really just a big trade-off between time and money

It's alot easier to find things to do with your time when you have money.

He's not saying poor. I think his article is understood you should stil have an upper-middle class life style, you just dont need to be a millionaire.

Honestly once you get over 100,000 a year you get severly diminishing returns. At this point you can really vacation anywhere you want, live anywhere you want, go anywhere you want, and do anything you want. I mean you won't be driving a ferrari or have a mansion or 10 vacation houses, but all that is rather neglible on happiness.

I mean honestly, whether you stay at a 3 star hotel instead of a 5, or fly couch instead of 1st class on vacations isn't going to effect you much, but you are going to have to work a SHIT LOAD harder to get it.

If you need to rent a time share instead of buying a house in a foriegn country, isn't going to effect you much

you can still send your kids to a good school and college

you can still eat healthy

you will still live in a really nice neighborhood

you can afford any hobbies you have

etc etc

I think a lot of people dont realize how much working really sucks (for people who want to go into banking), nor how much accumulated stress takes a toll on your happiness/wellbeing/personality (for the traders). Working 80+ hours a week, or worrying about PnL every second of the day might not seem too bad when visualizing it, every person I know who does either is miserable despite their pay checks. They aged prematurely, most have taken up substance abuse, are lonely, etc etc.

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