Internship decision: Boutique or BB Middle office for a Sophomore Summer

I am very new to WSO, so please bare with me for this question.

Ultimately I want to get into investment banking like most on this website and for this summer I am faced with a decision. I can either work at a very small boutique M&A shop (10 man shop right outside of London with a small amount of deal flow and barely any connection to BBs or larger shops) or work at a top BB for a middle office position. I was wondering what people on here think I should do.

 
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top BB for a middle office position would get your resume more attention... guys with finance internship at F500 do well, you should do even better with top BB MO

as for IB skills, learn them on your own, there are million step by step resources

thats all only my opinion, i think that most of the people here will tell you "if you want IB, do IB internship", but thats not really how things work with HR

all you want is the chance for an interview, and competition in LDN is huge, every decent candidate has few very good internships, reputable school and 2nd language

 

So ... this is a tough one. Guys, feel free to disagree with me, but I'd still go for the 10-man shop. This comes down to a question of skill versus prestige. When the M&A bankers at my bank are picking candidates to interview, they don't even interview the middle office guys (even next to a BB) because what will you be putting underneath that name / position on your resume? Probably nothing that has to do with M&A. The other advantage I think you have is that you're a sophomore. You can always spin it later as -- "wanted a strong technical skillset and the small boutique environment is a good place for mentorship / lean deal team, etc." (something along those lines). That means for a junior internship, you can go back to a top BB / elite boutique and pitch yourself that way. This would be a different question for full-time, where a middle market position at a BB would give you an advantage for biz school apps.

hope this helps

bankerzhausDotcome

 
Jay13:
So ... this is a tough one. Guys, feel free to disagree with me, but I'd still go for the 10-man shop. This comes down to a question of skill versus prestige. When the M&A bankers at my bank are picking candidates to interview, they don't even interview the middle office guys (even next to a BB) because what will you be putting underneath that name / position on your resume? Probably nothing that has to do with M&A. The other advantage I think you have is that you're a sophomore. You can always spin it later as -- "wanted a strong technical skillset and the small boutique environment is a good place for mentorship / lean deal team, etc." (something along those lines). That means for a junior internship, you can go back to a top BB / elite boutique and pitch yourself that way. This would be a different question for full-time, where a middle market position at a BB would give you an advantage for biz school apps.

hope this helps

bankerzhausDotcome

So you only consider juniors with previous IBD experience for summer analyst positions? Somehow I find this hard to believe. The amount you actually learn as a sophomore intern in most cases is so minimal that it's almost irrelevant.

Also, I realize it's just a typo, but "middle market position at a BB" made me chuckle.

 

If it helps I have done a rotational internship through treasury, audit, and corp development functions at a F100 company my freshman summer. I really got a flavour for every facet of back office plus corp. development. Would this change any of your opinions?

"Wide diversification is only required when investors do not understand what they are doing." "Ships will sail around the world but the Flat Earth Society will flourish."
 

re: reformed thanks for catching the typo - it's been a long night Let me clarify - when I mentioned our recruiting process, I mean for full-time. But I believe that a soph internship in M&A practically lines you up for a junior yr internship - which you definitely need for full-time. and from what I hear, even as junior yr internships become ultra-competitive, more students are having finance internships in soph yr, so m&a skill would give someone an edge. and lastly, I believe you'll find many people who would disagree with you about soph internship learning experiences, esp at the BBs that have a soph program (GS and CS come to mind)

 

Without more info on the MO office role choose Boutique.

Again the same concept applies, what is your role and what is your job. Do we have to teach you how to make a PIB/Spread a comp or update tombstones if you've done it before? No... So your resume moves up in our eyes. Nowadays direct plug and play is increasing in importance.

People like to get into big fights over BB names on their resumes but to be serious... it doesnt matter if its not related. We constantly throw away resumes with "Goldman Wealth Management" on them in favor of small boutique investment banking history. At least we know you did a similar job.

Basically with the boutique your future would look something like this. Small shop --> intern mid to big size shop --> full time offer bulge

This is less risky, a middle market firm would be surprised to see even boutique experience and then its real easy to move from say a Piper internship to a DB/Citi etc.

To drive the point home what is the major difference in MM and BB internships? Seriously not much you just have more companies you're dealing with that say "$ in MMs" versus "$ in B's".

Make your resume scream as much as possible the following mantra "I get the basics so you can get more money/value out of me because you can hand me more easy work that you don't want to do!" People think they will just be handed models etc on day one... Not the case we build you up, so the stronger your foundation the more valuable you become as a working asset.

 

Agreeing with everything above. OR ... and this might be a long shot, but can't hurt: go contact someone at the BB in their IBD group (find someone on linkedin or just the recruiter), tell them about your offer. Worst case scenario: you can start building an IBD network for next yr recruiting season.

bankerzhausDotcom

 

@wallstreetplayboys,

One thing that people too often fail to consider is that people change their mind quite a bit between sophomore year and graduation. Pretend for a second OP decides by the time they reach junior year that IB isn't for them. If you're going for anything but IB, the MO internship most likely will take you much further.

 

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