Secondary loan trading? Secondaries

Anyone able to tell me something about secondary loan trading, exit ops, etc? I may have an opportunity for an internship in this and I'm wondering whether it is worth pursuing. Long term goal is working at a Hedge fund

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Got any other internships lined up? No? Then this thread is moot.

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kyleyboy Oreos:

Got any other internships lined up? No? Then this thread is moot.

I have other options.

Okay, cool. Then you need to mention them too, its all relative (e.g., if your other option is at a better firm bla bla bla). Further, you say you want to work for a hedge fund, doing what? What strategy?

In relation to the opportunity, is it Lev debt? IG? You need to nail down the team's role. Are they pure execution traders? Run their own portfolio? It'll affect your credit analysis skills (which are pretty transferable) you'll pick up.

At the end of the day, as long as you learn some solid financial analysis skills and can piece together a plausible and cohesive story as to why you did this internship and why it's relevant to your next opportunity then all is good.

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 
Oreos kyleyboy:

Oreos:
Got any other internships lined up? No? Then this thread is moot.

I have other options.

Okay, cool. Then you need to mention them too, its all relative (e.g., if your other option is at a better firm bla bla bla). Further, you say you want to work for a hedge fund, doing what? What strategy?

In relation to the opportunity, is it Lev debt? IG? You need to nail down the team's role. Are they pure execution traders? Run their own portfolio? It'll affect your credit analysis skills (which are pretty transferable) you'll pick up.

At the end of the day, as long as you learn some solid financial analysis skills and can piece together a plausible and cohesive story as to why you did this internship and why it's relevant to your next opportunity then all is good.

Don't think IG loans trade in secondary. At least in Europe loan trading always means leveraged loans. Credit skills will be very good if you do this job. Exit opps should include CLOs, distressed hedge funds (most loan desks work inside the high-yield or distressed desk)...

 
ABC15 Oreos:

kyleyboy:

Oreos:
Got any other internships lined up? No? Then this thread is moot.
I have other options.

Okay, cool. Then you need to mention them too, its all relative (e.g., if your other option is at a better firm bla bla bla). Further, you say you want to work for a hedge fund, doing what? What strategy?
In relation to the opportunity, is it Lev debt? IG? You need to nail down the team's role. Are they pure execution traders? Run their own portfolio? It'll affect your credit analysis skills (which are pretty transferable) you'll pick up.
At the end of the day, as long as you learn some solid financial analysis skills and can piece together a plausible and cohesive story as to why you did this internship and why it's relevant to your next opportunity then all is good.

Don't think IG loans trade in secondary. At least in Europe loan trading always means leveraged loans. Credit skills will be very good if you do this job. Exit opps should include CLOs, distressed hedge funds (most loan desks work inside the high-yield or distressed desk)...

It's High Yield distressed type stuff and they work with the lev debt and syndicated group closely, and it's at a canadian bank, not sure how trading has been affected at canadian banks (located in NY, not sure if it's under jurisdiction, i'd guess it is).

I am interested in distressed debt and special situations investing so that's kind of the first place i'd hope to end up, i'd also be ok with Long short. I guess it just depends where I start things for experience. Already have experience with L/S equity but I like the extra analysis in distressed stuff. I like the niche

 
ABC15

Don't think IG loans trade in secondary. At least in Europe loan trading always means leveraged loans. Credit skills will be very good if you do this job. Exit opps should include CLOs, distressed hedge funds (most loan desks work inside the high-yield or distressed desk)...

IG loans do trade in Europe.

Kyle, sounds like this opportunity is something you should seriously consider. But again, as proposed within my 2nd response, you need to get a handle on what they do. Working with the syndication desk is a bad thing (syn is a sales job) but lev fin would be a +ve experience.

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 
Oreos ABC15:

Don't think IG loans trade in secondary. At least in Europe loan trading always means leveraged loans. Credit skills will be very good if you do this job. Exit opps should include CLOs, distressed hedge funds (most loan desks work inside the high-yield or distressed desk)...

IG loans do trade in Europe.

Kyle, sounds like this opportunity is something you should seriously consider. But again, as proposed within my 2nd response, you need to get a handle on what they do. Working with the syndication desk is a bad thing (syn is a sales job) but lev fin would be a +ve experience.

They do? Never seen that, but ok, i will take your word for it.

 
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ABC15 Oreos:

ABC15:
Don't think IG loans trade in secondary. At least in Europe loan trading always means leveraged loans. Credit skills will be very good if you do this job. Exit opps should include CLOs, distressed hedge funds (most loan desks work inside the high-yield or distressed desk)...

IG loans do trade in Europe.
Kyle, sounds like this opportunity is something you should seriously consider. But again, as proposed within my 2nd response, you need to get a handle on what they do. Working with the syndication desk is a bad thing (syn is a sales job) but lev fin would be a +ve experience.

They do? Never seen that, but ok, i will take your word for it.

I have personally done it.
"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 
"oreos" Are they pure execution traders? Run their own portfolio? It'll affect your credit analysis skills (which are pretty transferable) you'll pick up.
Do you mean pure execution market making???
 

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