First, I need to know about the usefulness of a JD outside of law. I realize that JD will not help in banking, but I'm wondering whether there are other applications for, at least, the knowledge obtained from acquiring a JD if not the credentials associated with the JD (i.e. Politics, Entrepreneurship, etc. - these are two paths that I've considered as an exit to banking - especially politics)
Right now I'm only considering Harvard and Stanford for law school - my GPA is a bit sub-par when compared to the average admit (i.e. lower than the 20th percentile of the school - still a bit over 3.5+), but my LSAT is over the 99.8th percentile (175+ for my particular sitting)... I know there's this app floating around - but don't know how to get it - in which you input your GPA and LSAT and it will tell you to which schools you will likely get accepted/waitlisted/rejected. Any idea regarding what my output would be?
Lastly, I would be doing a joint-degree with an MBA program [which is why I'm not considering Yale], and, coupled with some accreditations from my undergrad years (I finished my UG degree in 2.5 years, had been accepted to a 5-year program, so I have about 1.5 years of graduate credits), I would be able to finish the MBA and JD in a total of 3-3.5 years. This is only 1-1.5 years more than I would otherwise be taking for the MBA, but I would also have to compromise some of my "MBA vacation time" to study business-law courses...
So, if my ultimate aspirations were, say, President of the United States, would a JD be beneficial/necessary, or could I become the second-ever "MBA-President" (granted, W hasn't set a very good precedent for us...)
Even with a +175 LSAT it would be very tough to get into H/S with a sub 3.8 GPA. I would think it would be even worse as there will be more applications then ever.
If you don't believe me check it out yourself.
http://www.hourumd.com/
Here is also a good website for checking out your current competition.
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/
Thanks.. that calc was actually what I was looking for; although the matrix program with which I am familiar was slightly different.
The stark contrast b/w tiers in law is actually quite surprising to me... I have about a 4% chance at Yale, 9% chance at Stanford, almost 20% chance at Harvard, and then almost 80-90+% chances at schools such as Columbia, NYU, Chicago, etc... interesting - wonder what accounts for the sudden upsurge. With these numbers and my less-than-stellar GPA, I guess it's a good thing that I don't have a do-or-die attitude towards law :/
If anyone can address my previous re: JD & politics, I would appreciate it.
I heard NYU is the Merrill of the law school world, i.e. the next great law school.
Waiting for angry invective about how I'm a 65th percentile, sub-par, tier two, state school, ex-consulting monkey...
To actually answer your original question - a JD/MBA isn't nearly as flexible as you think it is. Have you thought about just doing a JD? You give up some career flexibility but with a banking background, you would stand out from the out of undergrad law students. Also people in business tend to view all grad school as fun when law school is nothing like business school. B-school is much more geared towards the "2-year vacation" model while in law school, grades matter. I'll qualify: I know a lot less about law school than business school.
If your gunning for President of the United States, I dont think getting a JD at Harvard/Stanford would matter as much as being really lucky and street smart.
No or coming from the South.
Actually, my posts are never angry, because I'm completely comfortable with where I am... if I were holding major grudges for past short-comings and satirically social-outcastings, however, I might respond in... well... the way that you respond to most of my posts :) Immature, lampooning, ridiculing? maybe... but, angry? hardly.
Also, I studied graduate-law classes during my undergrad years... it is definitely not fun.
Also, also, I would never go to NYU... it's like picking Citi over Goldman :(
HAHAHAHAHA, they don't let retarded bitches into Harvard and Stanford.
Come on now - maybe you should try that state school education you had for undergrad?
Ha come on, no banker actually LIKES where they are. And it's just unfair to try and say I'm being "immature, lampooning, ridiculing" when you make a jackass comment about ML being the next great investment bank a week before it sold itself.
It's the finance equivalent of the archetype of the guy who swears his girlfriend is waiting till marriage until he finds out she had a threesome in a fraternity bathroom.
re: Immature, lampooning, ridiculing: I was actually talking about my own comments - not yours. Actually, i think another [fairly intelligent, rare on this forum,] poster acurately described it when he said that I resort to something along the lines of "high-school-like tactics to infuriate people on this board". Sure, this may be true, but, why not... the majority of people here are retards (see post above yours) who I am easily 1000x smarter than, so why not have some fun at their expense...
(btw, I really did like where I was before jumping ship... right now I pretty much hate where I work :/)
I'd hate working at McDonald's too, b2. Thankfully you're probably in New England, which means you landed at a top tier McDonald's: none of that "free refills" bullshit, your location's soda machine is behind the counter. Straight elite, baby! You should lateral to a better fast food place. They say Wendy's is the next great independently-owned fast food eatery!
Kennedy actually took a few classes at Stanford GSB way back when and considered an MBA. I have a friend and fellow alumnus who has similar aspirations (president, world dictator, etc.). He's doing a dual MBA/MPA at Harvard. An MPA, MPP or similar is a solid alternative, depending on where you go (assuming you're sure you don't want to go into law, of course). There is a great base for schools with a specialty in international service, though I don't think any of these require an introduction:
Woodrow Wilson (Princeton) Kennedy (Harvard) Tufts (Fletcher) Nitze (Hopkins) and then a few others: Georgetown, American, etc. though you will have to summon great humility to consider such sub-par schools! After all I bet you "wouldn't let your maid's kids go to Georgetown".
Good luck. Most of these programs are also 1-2 years, vs. a JD.
Hopkins is SAIS, and I've taken classes there and at Kennedy and Fletcher. Definitely not my thing.
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