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So you want to work/are working in PE
 

Bonus's picture
(Monkey, 61
 
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 on 7/23/12 at 1:39pm

Would you invest your money in a PE fund under a 2/20 fee structure and locking them up for a couple of years?

Personally, PE is one of the most interesting fields for me to work at. However, from an investor's point of view I am much more hesitant to such illiquid investments with negative interest too (it's a fee, i know), under the assumption that the managers are able to generate very decent returns in the future. Is it only me (my investment profile) who would more likely not invest in PE? Any historical data of Private Equity returns?

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Given the consistently great

 
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 on 7/23/12 at 4:03pm

Given the consistently great returns PE offers relative to other asset classes, it would be silly for someone, with enough assets, to not deploy/allocate some of it towards private equity. Almost 2/3s of the LP base of PE firms are pension funds... enough said.

I suggest you do a lot more research.

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mhurricane: Given the

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 on 7/23/12 at 4:27pm
mhurricane:

Given the consistently great returns PE offers relative to other asset classes, it would be silly for someone, with enough assets, to not deploy/allocate some of it towards private equity. Almost 2/3s of the LP base of PE firms are pension funds... enough said.

I suggest you do a lot more research.

Not sure where you're getting "consistently great returns" from.

I don't have the time to do the digging right now, but I think the WSJ (or a similar publication) did a study of PE returns over the long haul, and it wasn't all that much better than anything else. And, when you factor in the fee structure, it becomes less attractive. Obviously there are some really great funds out there, but don't confuse the performance of the top players to PE at large.

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TheKing: mhurricane: Given

 
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 on 7/23/12 at 4:38pm
TheKing:
mhurricane:

Given the consistently great returns PE offers relative to other asset classes, it would be silly for someone, with enough assets, to not deploy/allocate some of it towards private equity. Almost 2/3s of the LP base of PE firms are pension funds... enough said.

I suggest you do a lot more research.

Not sure where you're getting "consistently great returns" from.

I don't have the time to do the digging right now, but I think the WSJ (or a similar publication) did a study of PE returns over the long haul, and it wasn't all that much better than anything else. And, when you factor in the fee structure, it becomes less attractive. Obviously there are some really great funds out there, but don't confuse the performance of the top players to PE at large.

When you find it, let me know.

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The thing about PE, in my

(Monkey, 61
 
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 on 7/23/12 at 5:56pm

The thing about PE, in my opinion, is that in order to be a successful PE manager you must not only be a very good (value?) investor, but also a businessman. Sadly - I might as well be wrong - my consensus is that PEs for whatever reasons focus too much on the financial metrics side and ignore other parameters.

If 2/3s of the LP base is pension funds, that's actually another indication for me to avoid investing in this asset class.

IMO, considering the current economic environment, if I were to invest my money somewhere for the next year or two I'd be looking for Global Macro HFs.

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Bonus: The thing about PE, in

 
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 on 7/24/12 at 1:10am
Bonus:

The thing about PE, in my opinion, is that in order to be a successful PE manager you must not only be a very good (value?) investor, but also a businessman. Sadly - I might as well be wrong - my consensus is that PEs for whatever reasons focus too much on the financial metrics side and ignore other parameters.

If 2/3s of the LP base is pension funds, that's actually another indication for me to avoid investing in this asset class.

IMO, considering the current economic environment, if I were to invest my money somewhere for the next year or two I'd be looking for Global Macro HFs.

Yeah, hedge funds are doing great this year, especially macro funds. Paulsen is making a killing...

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Bonus: Would you invest your

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 on 7/24/12 at 1:22am
Bonus:

Would you invest your money in a PE fund under a 2/20 fee structure and locking them up for a couple of years?

Personally, PE is one of the most interesting fields for me to work at. However, from an investor's point of view I am much more hesitant to such illiquid investments with negative interest too (it's a fee, i know), under the assumption that the managers are able to generate very decent returns in the future. Is it only me (my investment profile) who would more likely not invest in PE? Any historical data of Private Equity returns?

More like 10 year lock up. PE index returns here:

http://www.cambridgeassociates.com/pdf/Private%20E...

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The future of private equity

(Monkey, 42
 
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 on 7/24/12 at 12:43pm

The future of private equity and hedge fund in terms of sources of capital will move away from HWN individuals towards institutions.

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Hopkins: The future of

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 on 7/24/12 at 1:27pm
Hopkins:

The future of private equity and hedge fund in terms of sources of capital will move away from HWN individuals towards institutions.

It's already almost entirely institutional money. My fund gets all of its money from pension funds and the like.

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TheKing: Hopkins: The

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 on 7/24/12 at 4:31pm
TheKing:
Hopkins:

The future of private equity and hedge fund in terms of sources of capital will move away from HWN individuals towards institutions.

It's already almost entirely institutional money. My fund gets all of its money from pension funds and the like.

Yes. Looks like Hopkins is 15 years late ^^

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TheSquale: TheKing: Hopki

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(Gorilla, 505
 
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 on 7/25/12 at 3:22am
TheSquale:
TheKing:
Hopkins:

The future of private equity and hedge fund in terms of sources of capital will move away from HWN individuals towards institutions.

It's already almost entirely institutional money. My fund gets all of its money from pension funds and the like.

Yes. Looks like Hopkins is 15 years late ^^

Depends whether you include family offices as institutional investors (they vary greatly in terms of sophistication). A lot of sub-$500m funds will be comrpised of a significant proportion of family office and HNWI investors as the funds will probably not bother with the box-ticking consultants (a la cambridge associates) which many of the larger 'sophisticated' institutions rely upon for their buy list.

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