4/26/13

Hi again everyone.

So I've been hearing from a lot of people that instead of breakfast, they usually just have been throwing together shakes in the morning in the place of breakfast, as it's pretty nutritious and can be consumed on the go.

That said, assuming I get a workout in before I begin my day, what powders do you guys recommend? And anyone have any advice on what kind of stuff to drink for breakfast assuming I don't hit the gym?

Thanks

Comments (41)

4/26/13

Some people do Meal Replacement Shakes but I would not recommend it.

4/26/13

You can have a protein shake regardless of whether you hit the gym; what you should watch out for is the calorie content relative to what your weight loss / mass gain goals are, and whether a shake helps you balance your macros.

Pick a protein powder depending on how many calories it has and the protein content it contains. In all honesty, whey protein, even the low-calorie ones like ON, are almost 100% of the time a safe pick. I stopped using Muscle Milk ages ago because it's too high in calories / too expensive as opposed to just using whey, in addition to not being as effective as meal replacements either. It's as though MM is stuck between low calorie and meal replacement, and it doesn't do either job as well IMO.

You could make a protein smoothie for a solid 500 calorie start to your day that won't leave you hungry later. Try this out:

- 1 banana
- 1-1.5 scoops whey protein (vanilla is good with this)
- 8oz milk (your choice of milk)
- 1/2 cup whole oatmeal oats
- 1 tsp whole peanut butter (not that JIF or skippy bullshit either) OR 1 egg OR 1 tbsp cottage cheese

Blend real well. You won't be hungry until lunch time or later. Also makes a good late-afternoon solution if you don't need to eat dinner and have the calories to spare.

Overall, protein shakes are clutch.

Equities are for chumps.

4/26/13

I've heard protein shakes can cause nasty bloating/gas bc/your body has difficulty digesting it, is this true?

In reply to Amphipathic
4/26/13

Amphipathic:

I've heard protein shakes can cause nasty bloating/gas bc/your body has difficulty digesting it, is this true?

Can be, mainly due to people not reacting well to the milk content (people don't regularly drink that much milk, and a protein shake is just milk with other stuff mixed in). I personally switched to lactose-free milk and no longer get the bloating.

Also, try if you just need the protein and not the calories, drink your shakes with just water. You won't get bloating since it's just water w/ the powder.

Equities are for chumps.

In reply to Kassad
4/26/13

Kassad:

Amphipathic:

I've heard protein shakes can cause nasty bloating/gas bc/your body has difficulty digesting it, is this true?

Can be, mainly due to people not reacting well to the milk content (people don't regularly drink that much milk, and a protein shake is just milk with other stuff mixed in). I personally switched to lactose-free milk and no longer get the bloating.

Also, try if you just need the protein and not the calories, drink your shakes with just water. You won't get bloating since it's just water w/ the powder.

Cool, I'll try that out, thanks!

4/26/13

Avoid Muscle Milk - they contain high concentration of unhealthy metals.

Get Pro Complex by Optimum Nutrition for the best profile.

4/26/13

I use to the ON brand whey protein and it works well and tastes good. Its also only 120 calories per scoop. Avoid protein shakes that have a lot of extra ingredients. Don't use syntha 6! I got the worst protein farts from it. I also only use water with my shakes also

4/26/13

Contrary to the post above...if you are doing meal replacement, look into BSN's Syntha-6 powder mix. It has a blend of different protein types for longer energy than pure whey. I haven't personally experienced any of those side effects so may be worth just trying. Also a bit more carbs but thats nothing compared to the banana etc you add in.

4/26/13
In reply to ilikecake
4/27/13

ilikecake:

inb4 everyone suggests ON

Dymatize > ON, come at me bros.

(Oops, I mean brahs.)

4/27/13

For pre and post workout meals you want to avoid fats and just eat protein + carbs. Muscle Milk has a bit of fat if I'm not mistaken so I wouldn't use it. Pre/post workout, I take ON whey and get my carbs from oats, yams, ezekial bread, or bananas.

4/27/13

Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

4/27/13

Chase your protein with a full cup of water to prevent discomfort.

In reply to subrosa
4/27/13

subrosa:

Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.
In reply to BicepBrah
4/27/13

BicepBrah:

subrosa:

Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

4/27/13

I'm not a fan of MM personally. Here's my go-to recipe for Whey shakes (pretty similar to Kassad's above)

1.5 scoops chocolate whey (I use ON extreme milk chocolate)
10 oz 2% milk
1 tbsp natural peanut butter
1 tbsp flax oil
handful of oats

This recipe tastes pretty good, is filling, and it's nutritious. For a better taste and a thicker shake, feel free to throw in frozen fruit (banana is pretty good) and blend. I should note that this is pretty calorically dense (I use it as a mass gainer shake). Taking out oats or pb, and lowering milk to about 8oz will loosen the caloric load and carbs a bit. Also, as stated above, the bloating or gassiness is usually to people who don't take milk too well, so water is always an option (albeit a less satisfying option taste-wise).

I prefer making my own meal replacement rather than getting any blends or mass gainers (they're loaded with all kinds of other crap, and loads of maltodextrin). Personally I use ON whey, but it's pretty much all the same shit.

In reply to subrosa
4/27/13

subrosa:

BicepBrah:
subrosa:

Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!


Strong assumptions u clown
In reply to BicepBrah
4/27/13

BicepBrah:

subrosa:
BicepBrah:
subrosa:

Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

Strong assumptions u clown

strong comeback brah

In reply to holla_back
4/27/13

holla_back:

BicepBrah:
subrosa:
BicepBrah:
subrosa:

Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

Strong assumptions u clown

strong comeback brah


we're all gonna make it brah
In reply to BicepBrah
4/27/13

BicepBrah:

holla_back:
BicepBrah:
subrosa:
BicepBrah:
subrosa:

Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

Strong assumptions u clown

strong comeback brah

we're all gonna make it brah

The only thing you're gonna make is another mark up on the unemployment line. I suggest you take your whey crap and hit the nearest golds bruh........ A good body may be your only hope in life because you obviously lack the intellect to succeed in anything that doesn't involve moving heavy objects all day.

In reply to BicepBrah
4/27/13

BicepBrah:

holla_back:
BicepBrah:
subrosa:
BicepBrah:
subrosa:

Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

Strong assumptions u clown

strong comeback brah

we're all gonna make it brah

4/27/13

Whey in general is a waste of money.

First, unless you eat it with food its out of your stomach in 15 minutes.

Second, your body only utilizes the amount of protein it needs; that is, however much your natural testosterone level dictates. The reason body builders can get so big is that the injected testosterone tells your muscle cells to increase their protein use. This is why roided out BB'ers benefit from whey (when it's consumed with meals). You, however, will not.

You will never be significantly more muscular (5-10 lbs) or leaner (unless you're unnaturally fat) than you are this moment. Assuming you hormone levels don't change.

The powders are also all made in China and have veeeery high levels of metals you don't want building up in your body.

Silver Bananas for saving you a fortune. FYI I was a training partner to a pro BB'er for 3 years. He also was a part owner of a supplement company.

All we need to do is show a little class, a little sophistication, and we're in like a dirty shirt.

In reply to subrosa
4/27/13

subrosa:

BicepBrah:
holla_back:
BicepBrah:
subrosa:
BicepBrah:
subrosa:

Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

Strong assumptions u clown

strong comeback brah

we're all gonna make it brah

The only thing you're gonna make is another mark up on the unemployment line. I suggest you take your whey crap and hit the nearest golds bruh........ A good body may be your only hope in life because you obviously lack the intellect to succeed in anything that doesn't involve moving heavy objects all day.


I'll actually be starting in mm ER this summer. What's your background?
In reply to Grouse
4/27/13

Grouse:

You will never be significantly more muscular (5-10 lbs) or leaner (unless you're unnaturally fat) than you are this moment. Assuming you hormone levels don't change.

This is an absolutely ridiculous statement.

In reply to BicepBrah
4/27/13

BicepBrah:

subrosa:
BicepBrah:
holla_back:
BicepBrah:
subrosa:
BicepBrah:
subrosa:

Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

Strong assumptions u clown

strong comeback brah

we're all gonna make it brah

The only thing you're gonna make is another mark up on the unemployment line. I suggest you take your whey crap and hit the nearest golds bruh........ A good body may be your only hope in life because you obviously lack the intellect to succeed in anything that doesn't involve moving heavy objects all day.

I'll actually be starting in mm ER this summer. What's your background?

It's amazing that a fool like you would land in ER..... but if you must know I run a $800MM HF.

In reply to subrosa
4/27/13

subrosa:

BicepBrah:
subrosa:
BicepBrah:
holla_back:
BicepBrah:
subrosa:
BicepBrah:
subrosa:

Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

Strong assumptions u clown

strong comeback brah

we're all gonna make it brah

The only thing you're gonna make is another mark up on the unemployment line. I suggest you take your whey crap and hit the nearest golds bruh........ A good body may be your only hope in life because you obviously lack the intellect to succeed in anything that doesn't involve moving heavy objects all day.

I'll actually be starting in mm ER this summer. What's your background?

It's amazing that a fool like you would land in ER..... but if you must know I run a $800MM HF.


http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/27-still-wor...

strong fraud lol

In reply to BicepBrah
4/27/13

BicepBrah:

subrosa:
BicepBrah:
subrosa:
BicepBrah:
holla_back:
BicepBrah:
subrosa:
BicepBrah:
subrosa:

Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

Strong assumptions u clown

strong comeback brah

we're all gonna make it brah

The only thing you're gonna make is another mark up on the unemployment line. I suggest you take your whey crap and hit the nearest golds bruh........ A good body may be your only hope in life because you obviously lack the intellect to succeed in anything that doesn't involve moving heavy objects all day.

I'll actually be starting in mm ER this summer. What's your background?

It's amazing that a fool like you would land in ER..... but if you must know I run a $800MM HF.

http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/27-still-wor...
strong fraud lol

Hahaha damn that search function lol

In reply to holla_back
4/27/13

holla_back:

Grouse:

You will never be significantly more muscular (5-10 lbs) or leaner (unless you're unnaturally fat) than you are this moment. Assuming you hormone levels don't change.

This is an absolutely ridiculous statement.

Ridiculously true. Hormone levels, not hope, dictate your muscle mass.

The exception would be if you have naturally high levels of testosterone but you don't consume nutrients to get you up to that ceiling. However, if you are a somewhat active person and eat regularly, you're never going to get significantly more muscular than you are now. Seriously, hold 15 uncooked 12 oz steaks in your hand and tell me that you are going to add that much muscle despite no increase whatsoever in your hormone levels (you know, the things that tell your cells to add muscle). Do you think the human body is magic? It is a machine controlled by DNA. Your honda isn't going to become a ferrari just because you put extra gas in the tank and drive it hard.

I spent years training with, eating with, and talking with an ex pro bodybuilder (who's a close friend of mine btw) with a degree in molecular biology, who part-owned a full-line supplement company. He told me these things. What is the source of your expertise hollaback? Men's Health? The big guy in the gym who says "You gotta eat more brah"? LOL They wouldn't sell too many mags telling people to give up. The big guys wouldn't feel like badasses if you knew they used gear to get that big.

The fitness industry is a lie. P90X? the new one "Insanity?" LOL. It is ALL about using steroids and then selling the naive like you the line that it's about eating right and lifting hard. Billions of dollars are on the line keeping outsiders like you hoping that this or that product will "work for you". And some people cling to the hope that they'll have killer abs soooo bad that they even attack the occasional insiders who try and tell you the truth.

Let me guess, you think guys like Gerard Butler and the cast of 300 just had really good trainers and ate right? And worked super duper extra hard for 6 months?

All we need to do is show a little class, a little sophistication, and we're in like a dirty shirt.

In reply to Grouse
4/27/13

Grouse:

holla_back:
Grouse:

You will never be significantly more muscular (5-10 lbs) or leaner (unless you're unnaturally fat) than you are this moment. Assuming you hormone levels don't change.

This is an absolutely ridiculous statement.

Ridiculously true. Hormone levels, not hope, dictate your muscle mass.

The exception would be if you have naturally high levels of testosterone but you don't consume nutrients to get you up to that ceiling. However, if you are a somewhat active person and eat regularly, you're never going to get significantly more muscular than you are now. Seriously, hold 15 12 oz steaks in your hand and tell me that you are going to add that much muscle despite no increase whatsoever in your hormone levels (you know, the things that tell your cells to add muscle). Do you think the human body is magic? It is a machine controlled by DNA. Your honda isn't going to become a ferrari just because you put extra gas in the tank and drive it hard.

I spent years training with, eating with, and talking with an ex pro bodybuilder (who's a close friend of mine btw) with a degree in molecular biology, who part-owned a full-line supplement company. He told me these things. What is the source of your expertise hollaback? Men's Health? The big guy in the gym who says "You gotta eat more brah"? LOL They wouldn't sell too many mags telling people to give up. The big guys wouldn't feel like badasses if you knew they used gear to get that big.

The fitness industry is a lie. P90X? the new one "Insanity?" LOL. It is ALL about using steroids and then selling the naive like you the line that it's about eating right and lifting hard. Billions of dollars are on the line keeping outsiders like you hoping that this or that product will "work for you". And some people cling to the hope that they'll have killer abs soooo bad that they even attack the occasional insiders who try and tell you the truth.

Let me guess, you think guys like Gerard Butler and the cast of 300 just had really good trainers and ate right? And worked super duper extra hard for 6 months?

Re-read what you wrote -- 5-10 lb lean gain is absolutely doable for most people.

(I'm never one to promise ridiculous gains to people who aren't either genetically gifted or on real-deal gear, but your claim is ridiculously wrong, man.)

In reply to holla_back
4/27/13

holla_back:

Grouse:
holla_back:
Grouse:

You will never be significantly more muscular (5-10 lbs) or leaner (unless you're unnaturally fat) than you are this moment. Assuming you hormone levels don't change.

This is an absolutely ridiculous statement.

Ridiculously true. Hormone levels, not hope, dictate your muscle mass.

The exception would be if you have naturally high levels of testosterone but you don't consume nutrients to get you up to that ceiling. However, if you are a somewhat active person and eat regularly, you're never going to get significantly more muscular than you are now. Seriously, hold 15 12 oz steaks in your hand and tell me that you are going to add that much muscle despite no increase whatsoever in your hormone levels (you know, the things that tell your cells to add muscle). Do you think the human body is magic? It is a machine controlled by DNA. Your honda isn't going to become a ferrari just because you put extra gas in the tank and drive it hard.

I spent years training with, eating with, and talking with an ex pro bodybuilder (who's a close friend of mine btw) with a degree in molecular biology, who part-owned a full-line supplement company. He told me these things. What is the source of your expertise hollaback? Men's Health? The big guy in the gym who says "You gotta eat more brah"? LOL They wouldn't sell too many mags telling people to give up. The big guys wouldn't feel like badasses if you knew they used gear to get that big.

The fitness industry is a lie. P90X? the new one "Insanity?" LOL. It is ALL about using steroids and then selling the naive like you the line that it's about eating right and lifting hard. Billions of dollars are on the line keeping outsiders like you hoping that this or that product will "work for you". And some people cling to the hope that they'll have killer abs soooo bad that they even attack the occasional insiders who try and tell you the truth.

Let me guess, you think guys like Gerard Butler and the cast of 300 just had really good trainers and ate right? And worked super duper extra hard for 6 months?

Re-read what you wrote -- 5-10 lb lean gain is absolutely doable for most people.

(I'm never one to promise ridiculous gains to people who aren't either genetically gifted or on real-deal gear, but your claim is ridiculously wrong, man.)

EDIT: I never said that anyone will be able to grace the cover of Men's Health, or star as an extra in a movie like 300. A person can, however, significantly change his body via diet and exercise. 5-10 lbs is absolutely nothing, in either direction (especially in the beginning).

In reply to Grouse
4/28/13

Grouse:

holla_back:
Grouse:

You will never be significantly more muscular (5-10 lbs) or leaner (unless you're unnaturally fat) than you are this moment. Assuming you hormone levels don't change.

This is an absolutely ridiculous statement.

Ridiculously true. Hormone levels, not hope, dictate your muscle mass.

The exception would be if you have naturally high levels of testosterone but you don't consume nutrients to get you up to that ceiling. However, if you are a somewhat active person and eat regularly, you're never going to get significantly more muscular than you are now. Seriously, hold 15 uncooked 12 oz steaks in your hand and tell me that you are going to add that much muscle despite no increase whatsoever in your hormone levels (you know, the things that tell your cells to add muscle). Do you think the human body is magic? It is a machine controlled by DNA. Your honda isn't going to become a ferrari just because you put extra gas in the tank and drive it hard.

I spent years training with, eating with, and talking with an ex pro bodybuilder (who's a close friend of mine btw) with a degree in molecular biology, who part-owned a full-line supplement company. He told me these things. What is the source of your expertise hollaback? Men's Health? The big guy in the gym who says "You gotta eat more brah"? LOL They wouldn't sell too many mags telling people to give up. The big guys wouldn't feel like badasses if you knew they used gear to get that big.

The fitness industry is a lie. P90X? the new one "Insanity?" LOL. It is ALL about using steroids and then selling the naive like you the line that it's about eating right and lifting hard. Billions of dollars are on the line keeping outsiders like you hoping that this or that product will "work for you". And some people cling to the hope that they'll have killer abs soooo bad that they even attack the occasional insiders who try and tell you the truth.

Let me guess, you think guys like Gerard Butler and the cast of 300 just had really good trainers and ate right? And worked super duper extra hard for 6 months?

A lot of truth about the pervasive lies in fitness advertising. Perhaps the shadiest industry when it comes to marketing. It's amazing how simple it is to get shredded, but it's also amazing how difficult it is. Most people just simply don't have the discipline or desire to get that desired "road map"chest or 6 pack abs. In all seriousness I was built like one of the cast for 300 for the last five years. The thing is, it is ridiculously hard and the benefits are not as good as most people would think. Obviously, it gives you a lot of confidence and when you are at the beach or pool you will get positive comments from girls. However, the costs for me was an incredibly strict diet and working out 15 hours a week or more. I do it simply because I love the feeling of working out, I get a natural high off of it. Most people want to do it strictly for the look and that will just not be motivating enough for them. It's funny you mention the Gerard Butler example.... I think he was actually quoted as saying he doesn't stay in that type of shape all the time because he enjoys having friends or something to that effect. There's a lot of truth to that. I don't think the average guy is going to give up drinking 3 times a week with his buddies or skip out on pizza on the weekends to maintain that perfect body. Now, most of the guys can stay in reasonable shape while maintaining an active social life by just hitting the gym 3-4 times a week and eating sensibly. For these types of guys, the type of protein powder they use is not important. Muscle Milk is probably the best tasting protein powder, so the average guy might as well use it. I don't think most guys really want to get as big as bodybuilders and if they did they would have to take steroids or at least a strong prohormone (if they still exist). There is the extremely rare person who has the genetics to just pack on muscle naturally, but those types are huge outliers. I would say the average guy on this forum would be happy with just shedding a few pounds and seeing a little definition.

In reply to holla_back
4/28/13

holla_back:

Re-read what you wrote -- 5-10 lb lean gain is absolutely doable for most people.

(I'm never one to promise ridiculous gains to people who aren't either genetically gifted or on real-deal gear, but your claim is ridiculously wrong, man.)

EDIT: I never said that anyone will be able to grace the cover of Men's Health, or star as an extra in a movie like 300. A person can, however, significantly change his body via diet and exercise. 5-10 lbs is absolutely nothing, in either direction (especially in the beginning).

I said you will never gain MORE than 5-10 pounds of pure muscle. Again, hold up 15 uncooked 12 oz steaks and imagine adding one of those to your bicep, your calf, your abs.... 10 pounds of muscle is a lot of PURE muscle and not in years of serious lifting (I don't anymore) and seeing hundreds of regulars across many gyms did I ever see someone who put on more muscle than about 10 pounds worth without using gear.

It's that "plateau" people hit. When you hit that plateau, it's not mental, it's your body having reached its testosterone-dictated limit. If you want to keep working out for exercise fine, but don't expect to get any bigger.

All we need to do is show a little class, a little sophistication, and we're in like a dirty shirt.

In reply to Grouse
4/28/13

Grouse:

holla_back:

Re-read what you wrote -- 5-10 lb lean gain is absolutely doable for most people.

(I'm never one to promise ridiculous gains to people who aren't either genetically gifted or on real-deal gear, but your claim is ridiculously wrong, man.)

EDIT: I never said that anyone will be able to grace the cover of Men's Health, or star as an extra in a movie like 300. A person can, however, significantly change his body via diet and exercise. 5-10 lbs is absolutely nothing, in either direction (especially in the beginning).

I said you will never gain MORE than 5-10 pounds of pure muscle. Again, hold up 15 uncooked 12 oz steaks and imagine adding one of those to your bicep, your calf, your abs.... 10 pounds of muscle is a lot of PURE muscle and not in years of serious lifting (I don't anymore) and seeing hundreds of regulars across many gyms did I ever see someone who put on more muscle than about 10 pounds worth without using gear.

It's that "plateau" people hit. When you hit that plateau, it's not mental, it's your body having reached its testosterone-dictated limit. If you want to keep working out for exercise fine, but don't expect to get any bigger.

I gained 20 lbs of muscle between the ages of 19 and 24 or so due to diet and exercise. My brother, a once-upon-a-time non-competing bodybuilder, put on like 30 in five years before he started cycling. Neither of us are genetic freaks. Your plateau of 5-10 lbs is probably a bit too low, especially for a dedicated person who's just starting out.

You're underestimating the amount that an average person can actually change their body. Again, I am not claiming that they'll turn into a fitness model by eating right and hitting the gym three times a week.

EDIT: I know that my "transformation" (lol) is purely anecdotal, but it's by no means out there.

In reply to holla_back
4/28/13

holla_back:

Grouse:
holla_back:

Re-read what you wrote -- 5-10 lb lean gain is absolutely doable for most people.

(I'm never one to promise ridiculous gains to people who aren't either genetically gifted or on real-deal gear, but your claim is ridiculously wrong, man.)

EDIT: I never said that anyone will be able to grace the cover of Men's Health, or star as an extra in a movie like 300. A person can, however, significantly change his body via diet and exercise. 5-10 lbs is absolutely nothing, in either direction (especially in the beginning).

I said you will never gain MORE than 5-10 pounds of pure muscle. Again, hold up 15 uncooked 12 oz steaks and imagine adding one of those to your bicep, your calf, your abs.... 10 pounds of muscle is a lot of PURE muscle and not in years of serious lifting (I don't anymore) and seeing hundreds of regulars across many gyms did I ever see someone who put on more muscle than about 10 pounds worth without using gear.

It's that "plateau" people hit. When you hit that plateau, it's not mental, it's your body having reached its testosterone-dictated limit. If you want to keep working out for exercise fine, but don't expect to get any bigger.

I gained 20 lbs of muscle between the ages of 19 and 24 or so due to diet and exercise. My brother, a once-upon-a-time non-competing bodybuilder, put on like 30 in five years before he started cycling. Neither of us are genetic freaks. Your plateau of 5-10 lbs is probably a bit too low, especially for a dedicated person who's just starting out.

You're underestimating the amount that an average person can actually change their body. Again, I am not claiming that they'll turn into a fitness model by eating right and hitting the gym three times a week.

EDIT: I know that my "transformation" (lol) is purely anecdotal, but it's by no means out there.

I'm tired of all this nonsense. Grouse, anybody with a clue about fitness can tell you have no idea what you're talking about. You're like that finance guy who gives his friends advice on what stocks to buy, but as soon as a PM or equity analyst walks in the room they're like, "WTF is he talking about?"

The gym is a CATALYST for metabolic and hormonal activity within your body. When you workout, you are CREATING THE CONDITIONS that will PROMPT your body to CHANGE it's metabolic and hormonal activity.

If you LIFT WEIGHTS, you are creating the conditions under which a human body regularly decides to build muscle.

If you NURTURE that metabolic state with added calorie consumption and higher protein levels (balance with your other macros, of course), then it is science FACT and not fiction that you will build muscle.

ANYBODY CAN ADD 10+ POUNDS OF MUSCLE. It simply requires immense amounts of hard work, many times more work than people are willing to dedicate to their own fitness.

ANYBODY CAN LOSE SIGNIFICANT FAT MASS AND GET LEAN. It simply requires tons of hard work as well.

Holla Back, your story is anecdotal only in the purest sense. In fitness, "broscience" is oftentimes an acceptable way to go because the real science behind fitness is still years behind the human body. AKA we haven't figured everything out yet. Case in point: those Intermittent Fasting motherfuckers are starving themselves for 2/3 of the week, yet their blood tests show up better than a normal person's and they're all lean as hell. Compared to that, your story belongs in a textbook.

Good job on the gains, by the way.

Now everybody please quit the bullshit. Everybody. This man just wanted to know about his protein shakes.

Equities are for chumps.

In reply to PTS
4/28/13

PTS:

Contrary to the post above...if you are doing meal replacement, look into BSN's Syntha-6 powder mix. It has a blend of different protein types for longer energy than pure whey. I haven't personally experienced any of those side effects so may be worth just trying. Also a bit more carbs but thats nothing compared to the banana etc you add in.


Quite possible, I do have a sensitive stomach
In reply to Grouse
4/28/13

Grouse:

Whey in general is a waste of money.

First, unless you eat it with food its out of your stomach in 15 minutes.

Second, your body only utilizes the amount of protein it needs; that is, however much your natural testosterone level dictates. The reason body builders can get so big is that the injected testosterone tells your muscle cells to increase their protein use. This is why roided out BB'ers benefit from whey (when it's consumed with meals). You, however, will not.

You will never be significantly more muscular (5-10 lbs) or leaner (unless you're unnaturally fat) than you are this moment. Assuming you hormone levels don't change.

The powders are also all made in China and have veeeery high levels of metals you don't want building up in your body.

Silver Bananas for saving you a fortune. FYI I was a training partner to a pro BB'er for 3 years. He also was a part owner of a supplement company.

Let's throw an example into this steaming pile of shit.

If you work at a BB and get to eat 3 times in a day, with your 3 meals being:

- Oatmeal with some fruits thrown in at 6am
- Some nasty ass salad at 2PM
- A subway sandwich at 8PM

In between each meal you eat a snack. Say a whole wheat bagel in the AM with some coffee and one of those nature bars in the afternoon.

Do you really think that the protein content he got for that day was sufficient for his level of metabolic activity? For a male in his 20s, 30s, or even 40s or 50s, you think that the 6g in the oats, the 10 or so grams in the salad, and the 24g in the sandwich, and potentially 8g from the snacks is enough?

Hell no. He needs to consume more protein, and it is CRUCIAL that you get your protein from DIVERSE sources. If you drink 100g in protein from why powder every day, yes it will go to waste. If you eat a giant slab of fish, drink a protein shake, and ingest a shitload of dairy throughout the day, that protein is not going to waste.

Hence... the English language has a term for this... after years of etymological evolution it has come to be known as... a supplement.

It's there to supplement, not supplant, your other sources of protein. That's how you're supposed to use your protein shakes. Whey provides a low-calorie option that is "out of you stomach in 15 minutes" because it's only 110 calories on average. But the protein content in the shake is NOT out in 15 minutes - that's like saying eggs are useless because an egg will be out of your system in 15 minutes.

I rest my f'in case.

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In reply to ilikecake
4/28/13

ilikecake:

inb4 everyone suggests ON


what is ON

I'm not concerned with the very poor
-Mitt Romney

In reply to Kassad
4/28/13

Kassad:

You can have a protein shake regardless of whether you hit the gym; what you should watch out for is the calorie content relative to what your weight loss / mass gain goals are, and whether a shake helps you balance your macros.

Pick a protein powder depending on how many calories it has and the protein content it contains. In all honesty, whey protein, even the low-calorie ones like ON, are almost 100% of the time a safe pick. I stopped using Muscle Milk ages ago because it's too high in calories / too expensive as opposed to just using whey, in addition to not being as effective as meal replacements either. It's as though MM is stuck between low calorie and meal replacement, and it doesn't do either job as well IMO.

You could make a protein smoothie for a solid 500 calorie start to your day that won't leave you hungry later. Try this out:

- 1 banana
- 1-1.5 scoops whey protein (vanilla is good with this)
- 8oz milk (your choice of milk)
- 1/2 cup whole oatmeal oats
- 1 tsp whole peanut butter (not that JIF or skippy bullshit either) OR 1 egg OR 1 tbsp cottage cheese

Blend real well. You won't be hungry until lunch time or later. Also makes a good late-afternoon solution if you don't need to eat dinner and have the calories to spare.

Overall, protein shakes are clutch.

this sounds pretty great, I'll try this

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-Mitt Romney

4/28/13

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