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Hi again everyone.

So I've been hearing from a lot of people that instead of breakfast, they usually just have been throwing together shakes in the morning in the place of breakfast, as it's pretty nutritious and can be consumed on the go.

That said, assuming I get a workout in before I begin my day, what powders do you guys recommend? And anyone have any advice on what kind of stuff to drink for breakfast assuming I don't hit the gym?

Thanks

Comments (41)

  • Beny23's picture

    Some people do Meal Replacement Shakes but I would not recommend it.

  • Kassad's picture

    You can have a protein shake regardless of whether you hit the gym; what you should watch out for is the calorie content relative to what your weight loss / mass gain goals are, and whether a shake helps you balance your macros.

    Pick a protein powder depending on how many calories it has and the protein content it contains. In all honesty, whey protein, even the low-calorie ones like ON, are almost 100% of the time a safe pick. I stopped using Muscle Milk ages ago because it's too high in calories / too expensive as opposed to just using whey, in addition to not being as effective as meal replacements either. It's as though MM is stuck between low calorie and meal replacement, and it doesn't do either job as well IMO.

    You could make a protein smoothie for a solid 500 calorie start to your day that won't leave you hungry later. Try this out:

    - 1 banana
    - 1-1.5 scoops whey protein (vanilla is good with this)
    - 8oz milk (your choice of milk)
    - 1/2 cup whole oatmeal oats
    - 1 tsp whole peanut butter (not that JIF or skippy bullshit either) OR 1 egg OR 1 tbsp cottage cheese

    Blend real well. You won't be hungry until lunch time or later. Also makes a good late-afternoon solution if you don't need to eat dinner and have the calories to spare.

    Overall, protein shakes are clutch.

    Equities are for chumps.

  • Amphipathic's picture

    I've heard protein shakes can cause nasty bloating/gas bc/your body has difficulty digesting it, is this true?

  • In reply to Amphipathic
    Kassad's picture

    Amphipathic wrote:

    I've heard protein shakes can cause nasty bloating/gas bc/your body has difficulty digesting it, is this true?

    Can be, mainly due to people not reacting well to the milk content (people don't regularly drink that much milk, and a protein shake is just milk with other stuff mixed in). I personally switched to lactose-free milk and no longer get the bloating.

    Also, try if you just need the protein and not the calories, drink your shakes with just water. You won't get bloating since it's just water w/ the powder.

    Equities are for chumps.

  • In reply to Kassad
    Amphipathic's picture

    Kassad wrote:

    Amphipathic:

    I've heard protein shakes can cause nasty bloating/gas bc/your body has difficulty digesting it, is this true?

    Can be, mainly due to people not reacting well to the milk content (people don't regularly drink that much milk, and a protein shake is just milk with other stuff mixed in). I personally switched to lactose-free milk and no longer get the bloating.

    Also, try if you just need the protein and not the calories, drink your shakes with just water. You won't get bloating since it's just water w/ the powder.

    Cool, I'll try that out, thanks!

  • Toshi83's picture

    Avoid Muscle Milk - they contain high concentration of unhealthy metals.

    Get Pro Complex by Optimum Nutrition for the best profile.

  • packmate's picture

    I use to the ON brand whey protein and it works well and tastes good. Its also only 120 calories per scoop. Avoid protein shakes that have a lot of extra ingredients. Don't use syntha 6! I got the worst protein farts from it. I also only use water with my shakes also

  • PTS's picture

    Contrary to the post above...if you are doing meal replacement, look into BSN's Syntha-6 powder mix. It has a blend of different protein types for longer energy than pure whey. I haven't personally experienced any of those side effects so may be worth just trying. Also a bit more carbs but thats nothing compared to the banana etc you add in.

  • ilikecake's picture

    inb4 everyone suggests ON

  • BicepBrah's picture

    For pre and post workout meals you want to avoid fats and just eat protein + carbs. Muscle Milk has a bit of fat if I'm not mistaken so I wouldn't use it. Pre/post workout, I take ON whey and get my carbs from oats, yams, ezekial bread, or bananas.

  • subrosa's picture

    Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

  • sk8247365's picture

    Chase your protein with a full cup of water to prevent discomfort.

  • In reply to subrosa
    BicepBrah's picture

    subrosa wrote:

    Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

    I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

  • In reply to BicepBrah
    subrosa's picture

    BicepBrah wrote:

    subrosa:

    Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

    I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

    Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

  • slyice's picture

    I'm not a fan of MM personally. Here's my go-to recipe for Whey shakes (pretty similar to Kassad's above)

    1.5 scoops chocolate whey (I use ON extreme milk chocolate)
    10 oz 2% milk
    1 tbsp natural peanut butter
    1 tbsp flax oil
    handful of oats

    This recipe tastes pretty good, is filling, and it's nutritious. For a better taste and a thicker shake, feel free to throw in frozen fruit (banana is pretty good) and blend. I should note that this is pretty calorically dense (I use it as a mass gainer shake). Taking out oats or pb, and lowering milk to about 8oz will loosen the caloric load and carbs a bit. Also, as stated above, the bloating or gassiness is usually to people who don't take milk too well, so water is always an option (albeit a less satisfying option taste-wise).

    I prefer making my own meal replacement rather than getting any blends or mass gainers (they're loaded with all kinds of other crap, and loads of maltodextrin). Personally I use ON whey, but it's pretty much all the same shit.

  • In reply to subrosa
    BicepBrah's picture

    subrosa wrote:

    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:

    Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

    I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

    Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!


    Strong assumptions u clown

  • In reply to BicepBrah
    holla_back's picture

    BicepBrah wrote:

    subrosa:
    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:

    Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

    I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

    Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

    Strong assumptions u clown

    strong comeback brah

  • In reply to holla_back
    BicepBrah's picture

    holla_back wrote:

    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:
    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:

    Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

    I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

    Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

    Strong assumptions u clown

    strong comeback brah


    we're all gonna make it brah

  • In reply to BicepBrah
    subrosa's picture

    BicepBrah wrote:

    holla_back:
    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:
    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:

    Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

    I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

    Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

    Strong assumptions u clown

    strong comeback brah

    we're all gonna make it brah

    The only thing you're gonna make is another mark up on the unemployment line. I suggest you take your whey crap and hit the nearest golds bruh........ A good body may be your only hope in life because you obviously lack the intellect to succeed in anything that doesn't involve moving heavy objects all day.

  • In reply to BicepBrah
    holla_back's picture

    BicepBrah wrote:

    holla_back:
    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:
    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:

    Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

    I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

    Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

    Strong assumptions u clown

    strong comeback brah

    we're all gonna make it brah

  • Grouse's picture

    Whey in general is a waste of money.

    First, unless you eat it with food its out of your stomach in 15 minutes.

    Second, your body only utilizes the amount of protein it needs; that is, however much your natural testosterone level dictates. The reason body builders can get so big is that the injected testosterone tells your muscle cells to increase their protein use. This is why roided out BB'ers benefit from whey (when it's consumed with meals). You, however, will not.

    You will never be significantly more muscular (5-10 lbs) or leaner (unless you're unnaturally fat) than you are this moment. Assuming you hormone levels don't change.

    The powders are also all made in China and have veeeery high levels of metals you don't want building up in your body.

    Silver Bananas for saving you a fortune. FYI I was a training partner to a pro BB'er for 3 years. He also was a part owner of a supplement company.

    All we need to do is show a little class, a little sophistication, and we’re in like a dirty shirt.

  • In reply to subrosa
    BicepBrah's picture

    subrosa wrote:

    BicepBrah:
    holla_back:
    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:
    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:

    Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

    I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

    Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

    Strong assumptions u clown

    strong comeback brah

    we're all gonna make it brah

    The only thing you're gonna make is another mark up on the unemployment line. I suggest you take your whey crap and hit the nearest golds bruh........ A good body may be your only hope in life because you obviously lack the intellect to succeed in anything that doesn't involve moving heavy objects all day.


    I'll actually be starting in mm ER this summer. What's your background?

  • In reply to Grouse
    holla_back's picture

    Grouse wrote:

    You will never be significantly more muscular (5-10 lbs) or leaner (unless you're unnaturally fat) than you are this moment. Assuming you hormone levels don't change.

    This is an absolutely ridiculous statement.

  • In reply to BicepBrah
    subrosa's picture

    BicepBrah wrote:

    subrosa:
    BicepBrah:
    holla_back:
    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:
    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:

    Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

    I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

    Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

    Strong assumptions u clown

    strong comeback brah

    we're all gonna make it brah

    The only thing you're gonna make is another mark up on the unemployment line. I suggest you take your whey crap and hit the nearest golds bruh........ A good body may be your only hope in life because you obviously lack the intellect to succeed in anything that doesn't involve moving heavy objects all day.

    I'll actually be starting in mm ER this summer. What's your background?

    It's amazing that a fool like you would land in ER..... but if you must know I run a $800MM HF.

  • In reply to subrosa
    BicepBrah's picture

    subrosa wrote:

    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:
    BicepBrah:
    holla_back:
    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:
    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:

    Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

    I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

    Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

    Strong assumptions u clown

    strong comeback brah

    we're all gonna make it brah

    The only thing you're gonna make is another mark up on the unemployment line. I suggest you take your whey crap and hit the nearest golds bruh........ A good body may be your only hope in life because you obviously lack the intellect to succeed in anything that doesn't involve moving heavy objects all day.

    I'll actually be starting in mm ER this summer. What's your background?

    It's amazing that a fool like you would land in ER..... but if you must know I run a $800MM HF.


    http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/27-still-wor...
    strong fraud lol

  • In reply to BicepBrah
    subrosa's picture

    BicepBrah wrote:

    subrosa:
    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:
    BicepBrah:
    holla_back:
    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:
    BicepBrah:
    subrosa:

    Don't listen to these chubby blokes on here... stick with MM, way better tasting and the sat fat is mcts and burns quickly. Unless you're training for Mr. O while moonlighting as an IB analyst it won't matter anyway. Most whey tastes like junk.

    I never met a big/in shape person who thinks whey tastes like "junk". If you can't handle the taste of standard whey, then just give up on working out.

    Looks like we have ourselves a regular Jay Cutler here. BicepBrah lol... gimme a break. Go back to the forums on bodybuilding.com, the gentlemen on this forum have no time for roidraged freaks like yourself. Now go shoot yourself up with Deca and hit the gym you rodent!

    Strong assumptions u clown

    strong comeback brah

    we're all gonna make it brah

    The only thing you're gonna make is another mark up on the unemployment line. I suggest you take your whey crap and hit the nearest golds bruh........ A good body may be your only hope in life because you obviously lack the intellect to succeed in anything that doesn't involve moving heavy objects all day.

    I'll actually be starting in mm ER this summer. What's your background?

    It's amazing that a fool like you would land in ER..... but if you must know I run a $800MM HF.

    http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/27-still-wor...
    strong fraud lol

    Hahaha damn that search function lol

  • In reply to holla_back
    Grouse's picture

    holla_back wrote:

    Grouse:

    You will never be significantly more muscular (5-10 lbs) or leaner (unless you're unnaturally fat) than you are this moment. Assuming you hormone levels don't change.

    This is an absolutely ridiculous statement.

    Ridiculously true. Hormone levels, not hope, dictate your muscle mass.

    The exception would be if you have naturally high levels of testosterone but you don't consume nutrients to get you up to that ceiling. However, if you are a somewhat active person and eat regularly, you're never going to get significantly more muscular than you are now. Seriously, hold 15 uncooked 12 oz steaks in your hand and tell me that you are going to add that much muscle despite no increase whatsoever in your hormone levels (you know, the things that tell your cells to add muscle). Do you think the human body is magic? It is a machine controlled by DNA. Your honda isn't going to become a ferrari just because you put extra gas in the tank and drive it hard.

    I spent years training with, eating with, and talking with an ex pro bodybuilder (who's a close friend of mine btw) with a degree in molecular biology, who part-owned a full-line supplement company. He told me these things. What is the source of your expertise hollaback? Men's Health? The big guy in the gym who says "You gotta eat more brah"? LOL They wouldn't sell too many mags telling people to give up. The big guys wouldn't feel like badasses if you knew they used gear to get that big.

    The fitness industry is a lie. P90X? the new one "Insanity?" LOL. It is ALL about using steroids and then selling the naive like you the line that it's about eating right and lifting hard. Billions of dollars are on the line keeping outsiders like you hoping that this or that product will "work for you". And some people cling to the hope that they'll have killer abs soooo bad that they even attack the occasional insiders who try and tell you the truth.

    Let me guess, you think guys like Gerard Butler and the cast of 300 just had really good trainers and ate right? And worked super duper extra hard for 6 months?

    All we need to do is show a little class, a little sophistication, and we’re in like a dirty shirt.

  • In reply to Grouse
    holla_back's picture

    Grouse wrote:

    holla_back:
    Grouse:

    You will never be significantly more muscular (5-10 lbs) or leaner (unless you're unnaturally fat) than you are this moment. Assuming you hormone levels don't change.

    This is an absolutely ridiculous statement.

    Ridiculously true. Hormone levels, not hope, dictate your muscle mass.

    The exception would be if you have naturally high levels of testosterone but you don't consume nutrients to get you up to that ceiling. However, if you are a somewhat active person and eat regularly, you're never going to get significantly more muscular than you are now. Seriously, hold 15 12 oz steaks in your hand and tell me that you are going to add that much muscle despite no increase whatsoever in your hormone levels (you know, the things that tell your cells to add muscle). Do you think the human body is magic? It is a machine controlled by DNA. Your honda isn't going to become a ferrari just because you put extra gas in the tank and drive it hard.

    I spent years training with, eating with, and talking with an ex pro bodybuilder (who's a close friend of mine btw) with a degree in molecular biology, who part-owned a full-line supplement company. He told me these things. What is the source of your expertise hollaback? Men's Health? The big guy in the gym who says "You gotta eat more brah"? LOL They wouldn't sell too many mags telling people to give up. The big guys wouldn't feel like badasses if you knew they used gear to get that big.

    The fitness industry is a lie. P90X? the new one "Insanity?" LOL. It is ALL about using steroids and then selling the naive like you the line that it's about eating right and lifting hard. Billions of dollars are on the line keeping outsiders like you hoping that this or that product will "work for you". And some people cling to the hope that they'll have killer abs soooo bad that they even attack the occasional insiders who try and tell you the truth.

    Let me guess, you think guys like Gerard Butler and the cast of 300 just had really good trainers and ate right? And worked super duper extra hard for 6 months?

    Re-read what you wrote -- 5-10 lb lean gain is absolutely doable for most people.

    (I'm never one to promise ridiculous gains to people who aren't either genetically gifted or on real-deal gear, but your claim is ridiculously wrong, man.)

  • In reply to holla_back
    holla_back's picture

    holla_back wrote:

    Grouse:
    holla_back:
    Grouse:

    You will never be significantly more muscular (5-10 lbs) or leaner (unless you're unnaturally fat) than you are this moment. Assuming you hormone levels don't change.

    This is an absolutely ridiculous statement.

    Ridiculously true. Hormone levels, not hope, dictate your muscle mass.

    The exception would be if you have naturally high levels of testosterone but you don't consume nutrients to get you up to that ceiling. However, if you are a somewhat active person and eat regularly, you're never going to get significantly more muscular than you are now. Seriously, hold 15 12 oz steaks in your hand and tell me that you are going to add that much muscle despite no increase whatsoever in your hormone levels (you know, the things that tell your cells to add muscle). Do you think the human body is magic? It is a machine controlled by DNA. Your honda isn't going to become a ferrari just because you put extra gas in the tank and drive it hard.

    I spent years training with, eating with, and talking with an ex pro bodybuilder (who's a close friend of mine btw) with a degree in molecular biology, who part-owned a full-line supplement company. He told me these things. What is the source of your expertise hollaback? Men's Health? The big guy in the gym who says "You gotta eat more brah"? LOL They wouldn't sell too many mags telling people to give up. The big guys wouldn't feel like badasses if you knew they used gear to get that big.

    The fitness industry is a lie. P90X? the new one "Insanity?" LOL. It is ALL about using steroids and then selling the naive like you the line that it's about eating right and lifting hard. Billions of dollars are on the line keeping outsiders like you hoping that this or that product will "work for you". And some people cling to the hope that they'll have killer abs soooo bad that they even attack the occasional insiders who try and tell you the truth.

    Let me guess, you think guys like Gerard Butler and the cast of 300 just had really good trainers and ate right? And worked super duper extra hard for 6 months?

    Re-read what you wrote -- 5-10 lb lean gain is absolutely doable for most people.

    (I'm never one to promise ridiculous gains to people who aren't either genetically gifted or on real-deal gear, but your claim is ridiculously wrong, man.)

    EDIT: I never said that anyone will be able to grace the cover of Men's Health, or star as an extra in a movie like 300. A person can, however, significantly change his body via diet and exercise. 5-10 lbs is absolutely nothing, in either direction (especially in the beginning).

  • In reply to Grouse
    subrosa's picture

    Grouse wrote:

    holla_back:
    Grouse:

    You will never be significantly more muscular (5-10 lbs) or leaner (unless you're unnaturally fat) than you are this moment. Assuming you hormone levels don't change.

    This is an absolutely ridiculous statement.

    Ridiculously true. Hormone levels, not hope, dictate your muscle mass.

    The exception would be if you have naturally high levels of testosterone but you don't consume nutrients to get you up to that ceiling. However, if you are a somewhat active person and eat regularly, you're never going to get significantly more muscular than you are now. Seriously, hold 15 uncooked 12 oz steaks in your hand and tell me that you are going to add that much muscle despite no increase whatsoever in your hormone levels (you know, the things that tell your cells to add muscle). Do you think the human body is magic? It is a machine controlled by DNA. Your honda isn't going to become a ferrari just because you put extra gas in the tank and drive it hard.

    I spent years training with, eating with, and talking with an ex pro bodybuilder (who's a close friend of mine btw) with a degree in molecular biology, who part-owned a full-line supplement company. He told me these things. What is the source of your expertise hollaback? Men's Health? The big guy in the gym who says "You gotta eat more brah"? LOL They wouldn't sell too many mags telling people to give up. The big guys wouldn't feel like badasses if you knew they used gear to get that big.

    The fitness industry is a lie. P90X? the new one "Insanity?" LOL. It is ALL about using steroids and then selling the naive like you the line that it's about eating right and lifting hard. Billions of dollars are on the line keeping outsiders like you hoping that this or that product will "work for you". And some people cling to the hope that they'll have killer abs soooo bad that they even attack the occasional insiders who try and tell you the truth.

    Let me guess, you think guys like Gerard Butler and the cast of 300 just had really good trainers and ate right? And worked super duper extra hard for 6 months?

    A lot of truth about the pervasive lies in fitness advertising. Perhaps the shadiest industry when it comes to marketing. It's amazing how simple it is to get shredded, but it's also amazing how difficult it is. Most people just simply don't have the discipline or desire to get that desired "road map"chest or 6 pack abs. In all seriousness I was built like one of the cast for 300 for the last five years. The thing is, it is ridiculously hard and the benefits are not as good as most people would think. Obviously, it gives you a lot of confidence and when you are at the beach or pool you will get positive comments from girls. However, the costs for me was an incredibly strict diet and working out 15 hours a week or more. I do it simply because I love the feeling of working out, I get a natural high off of it. Most people want to do it strictly for the look and that will just not be motivating enough for them. It's funny you mention the Gerard Butler example.... I think he was actually quoted as saying he doesn't stay in that type of shape all the time because he enjoys having friends or something to that effect. There's a lot of truth to that. I don't think the average guy is going to give up drinking 3 times a week with his buddies or skip out on pizza on the weekends to maintain that perfect body. Now, most of the guys can stay in reasonable shape while maintaining an active social life by just hitting the gym 3-4 times a week and eating sensibly. For these types of guys, the type of protein powder they use is not important. Muscle Milk is probably the best tasting protein powder, so the average guy might as well use it. I don't think most guys really want to get as big as bodybuilders and if they did they would have to take steroids or at least a strong prohormone (if they still exist). There is the extremely rare person who has the genetics to just pack on muscle naturally, but those types are huge outliers. I would say the average guy on this forum would be happy with just shedding a few pounds and seeing a little definition.

  • In reply to holla_back
    Grouse's picture

    holla_back wrote:

    Re-read what you wrote -- 5-10 lb lean gain is absolutely doable for most people.

    (I'm never one to promise ridiculous gains to people who aren't either genetically gifted or on real-deal gear, but your claim is ridiculously wrong, man.)

    EDIT: I never said that anyone will be able to grace the cover of Men's Health, or star as an extra in a movie like 300. A person can, however, significantly change his body via diet and exercise. 5-10 lbs is absolutely nothing, in either direction (especially in the beginning).

    I said you will never gain MORE than 5-10 pounds of pure muscle. Again, hold up 15 uncooked 12 oz steaks and imagine adding one of those to your bicep, your calf, your abs.... 10 pounds of muscle is a lot of PURE muscle and not in years of serious lifting (I don't anymore) and seeing hundreds of regulars across many gyms did I ever see someone who put on more muscle than about 10 pounds worth without using gear.

    It's that "plateau" people hit. When you hit that plateau, it's not mental, it's your body having reached its testosterone-dictated limit. If you want to keep working out for exercise fine, but don't expect to get any bigger.

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