Why does SF suck so much I think I’m getting depression from the city
Just a couple months into the new SF PE gig moving from banking in NYC. Having trouble acclimating (making friends, wtf is the nightlife, public transit is terrible, stress from new job, etc.) Anyone feel similar or had experienced something similar? What can I do?
is everyone there a liberal
Yep. Chairman Newsom submits you to a communism aptitude exam, and if you fail they put you on a bus to Mississippi. Everyone there is a lib, which is why they vote 100% communist (democrat) every election. 5x a day the minarets call prayer to praise Dark Brandon. Anyone who objects is subject to stoning and expulsion from the commune.
Actually the numbers are at par with Manhattan when you look by voting precinct. ~85% of professionals who live in the city are voting Democrat in both cities. WSO has a conservative skew that is far from reality. The reality is that the corporate environment is extremely liberal wherever you go.
I definitely lean liberal, not gonna lie. But SF is a bit much even for me. Ok as long as you don't surround yourself w/ people from tech, people in finance (I've found at least) tend to be a lot more balanced.
I’m fairly liberal and being in SF makes me feel like tucker carlson ffs
I've posted a # of times about my dislike for the Bay - going to be leaving next summer and can't wait. All 4 of too dirty, too crowded, too expensive, too much crime. Just not worth the price you pay.
That said, I will say SF hasn't bounced back from COVID like a lot of cities and you're seeing it at a semi-low point still.
I've seen - I just never imagined it'd be so bad. Even when I have free time now, it's very difficult to find something enjoyable to do or at least something that makes me feel alive. Going a walk (climbing up hills) and nature stuff like hiking just doesn't do it for me.
Hey man, I made a post about moving from Miami to SF. I've been in SF since March and it's definitely been rough. Thankfully my job lets me spend a week or two in the NYC office every other month. SF nightlife is pretty brutal. we pretty much have the handful of bars in the Marina. There's a few other nightclubs scattered around too. Going out in the Mission isn't that great because its an older crowd. Making friends here is pretty tough too. i got lucky that I got an apartment with a friend from college who's from San Mateo so he introduced me to his friend group. Outside of work you just have to keep yourself busy with other things to get through the week. Before or after work I go to the Equinox on market st or Pine st. I also live in Mission Bay so I go to Giants games all the time. Outside Lands was also a lot of fun. There's a ton of restaurants and cocktail bars to check out. I understand it sucks to do things on your own but thats what I did for the first few months I was here. Just gotta keep yourself distracted from how depressing the city is.
Do you regret making the move from Miami or believe that the transition was the right move for you?
I had to make the move for my job which was definitely the right decision in the long run. I do miss Miami tho and hope to get back there eventually
I remember reading that post and thinking "oh boy that guy is not about to have a good time moving from Miami to SF"
yeah i remember his post. SF is absolutely NOT (and never has been) the city you want to be in if you enjoy the things miami has to offer.
SF is fundamentally not a city built for outgoing finance people. its always been more insular, "hippie-like", quiet, and (for the past decade) tech oriented.
so many people move here expecting it to be nyc with nicer weather, when it isn't
I feel like people should make a lonely WSO/finance members in SF club such that we can organize social events hahaha
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I was there in 2009 for a couple nights and thought it was amazing. Would’ve gladly worked there back then and I am not left leaning. People were incredibly friendly everywhere I went. I had zero issue to striking genuine conversations and ended up finding different groups to party with. I do remember talking to some people back then and they said crime was getting bad (again in 2009). I can imagine that with CA’s lockdowns and massive rise in crime that it is just making people less outgoing. Also, this was back when you could talk to someone who was different politically and agree to disagree. Things have gotten much more culty in that arena. Sorry to hear its not the same.
I've lived in a bunch of cities around the world and this place takes the cake for the worst (by a very wide margin)
Where do you put LA?
I moved from NYC to SF 5 years ago. I agree with some aspects but generally I like SF and the Bay Area.
Sounds like we need to revive WSO happy hour in SF again.
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It depends on your personality but if you're like the average WSO user you'd probably hate San Francisco.
Majority of people are extreme virtue signalling elite liberals so if you express any conservative opinion you'll notice yourself losing a few friends. It's filled with tech nerds so if you're a stereotypical finance guy you won't fit too well with the culture. The dating ratio is completely fucked - way too many men due to tech industry who are also liberal nerds who give even ugly women a bunch of attention which results in feminist 4s and 5s acting prestige. COL is insanely expensive (but so is NYC tbf but I'd rather live in a nice apartment than a tiny house).
Obviously there will still be people there who the average WSO user will be more similar to but the overall vibe of the city is very techy and liberal (and majority of these people are actually quite miserable which gives the city a miserable vibe).
Moved here from NYC and work at a MM PE fund. I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of things outside the city - luckily had friends here and got a car when I moved here. If you are big into fly fishing, hiking, skiing, etc. its good but yeah... just not the same as other places.
Making the move from NYC to SF for a PE job next year. Do you have any tips?
Yeah - try to get a car. Absolutely live in Marina, Russian Hill, or Pac Heights - other areas are brutal. Mission Bay is a classic place that looks nice online but is a bad location.
Get outside - take advantage of the national parks (Yosemite, Redwood, etc.). Get a car and put yourself out there. Also get into road biking / mountain biking. Best way I have met people are the outside activities.
If you're not the outdoorsy type then a lot of the appeal of the Bay doesn't really apply for you. The secret with SF is knowing where to go (or where to avoid) and getting out of the city on the weekends. The city in general is very "clubby" / insular but there are indeed some hidden gems.
Having a car is a huge plus for hiking trips to Marin or surfing in HMB. Tahoe is great skiing but far. LA/SD quick flights away and Hawaii reasonably priced ($300/400 RT + 6hr flight). The food scene isn't as top tier as NYC but still solid especially if you like asian food (Richmond/Sunset/Japantown). Outdoor concerts like Stern Grove are cool (and free!) along with chilling in parks like Mission Dolores.
Agreed that nightlife is brutal. Its not really a clubbing scene like NY or LA although there are a handful in SOMA. More dive bars like you find along Haight, NOPA or Mission. I personally avoid Oakland like the plague, maybe I just don't get the hype but Berkeley is great.
100% - think being outdoorsy and wanting to do things outside on the weekend are huge for how much you enjoy the city. Golfing in a red wood forest on a Saturday, biking in Marin are all sick but if that's not for you... SF will be tough.
Doing my undergrad at Cal, can relate to the "cliqueiness" and need for a vehicle.
The city is nice but Menlo/Palo/Redwood are much more enjoyable IMO for all of the things you mentioned sans the homeless and social insulation.
It's a place overrun with mentally ill homeless, covered in needles and literal feces, that taxes you more than anywhere else in the country (except maybe Manhattan?). I heard so many nightmares from friends who work in downtown or Menlo and it's what convinced me to not take a growth equity role there. If you're having trouble would make a point of trying to finish out the year and lateraling somewhere else.
Edit to add to my point. Ever been robbed before? Because SF also happens to be one of the most likely places for it to happen.
Link to SF Chronicle
SF is fundamentally not a city built for outgoing finance people. its always been more insular, "hippie-like", quiet, and (for the past decade) tech oriented.
so many people move here expecting it to be nyc with nicer weather, when it isn't
as for my advice for you: find a friend group, make connections, get a car, explore the area, etc. who you know basically defines your experience here
Having grown up in the bay area and living here now (& very much enjoying it), a few caveats. Ppl in thread are looking at SF in a NY lens, and the city shines in a totally different way:
- Marin, Oakland, Santa Cruz, Tahoe, Monterey, Napa are fun weekend trips. Get a car or a zipcar and go with friends
- Again, Napa. And Tahoe. You can get a ski pass or a membership at a few vineyards and go very frequently if that's your thing
- Golden gate park, IM basketball / volleyball, ocean beach bonfire, boat/yacht tour, camping\
- Hiking all over the bay, golf (year round, and never rains), spikeball, surfing, skiing (Tahoe)
- Second to only NY in fine dining, and much higher emphasis on Asian food if that's your thing
- A ton of concerts in SF / Oakland, there are festivals or concerts every weekend and most big names put SF on their tour
- Huge EDM scene
- Weak club nightlife, you have frattier culture in Marina, dive culture in the Mission, and EDM/Soma all over SOMA
- Huge variety of bars -- tiki bars and dive bars shine
- If you make the right friends there's a lot going on "in the scene" -- friends I know frequently go to invite only social clubs, underground warehouse/beach raves, founder mansion parties, etc. But it takes a while to meet people and find your crowd
- Entire city is uberable within 20 minutes
- Very much a +1 culture, you can bring friends to almost any event and it's normal to introduce your friends to each other and hang out together
- Each neighborhood is very different so check out North Beach, Marina, SOMA, Rincon Hill, Haight Ashbury, Nob Hill...each has its own merits
People are much friendlier than in NY as well, but if you're not used to talking to strangers you're in for a tough time
I guess it's all relative. I recently moved to SF and have been loving it overall, although I am understanding of its downfalls. I moved from a smaller Midwest city, so I don't view SF through a NYC lens (which is a common theme with all these negative SF posts). I do think SF can be a highly volatile experience based off where you live and what you enjoy. Here are some of my takeaways:
1) It is ultra critical to move to the right scene in SF, or else I could see it being a negative experience. North Beach, Russian Hill, Marina, Pac Heights, etc. tend to be the nicer areas, and there's probably a huge difference in quality of life (cleanliness of area around you, coolness of the people around you, quality of restaurants/bars/venues) vs. the not as nice areas (Soma, Mission to a degree, etc.). While some of the nicer areas can still have its fair share of homelessness, it's nothing like Tenderloin, SOMA, and Mission. SF is a dirty city, but the dirt isn't evenly distributed.
2) SF/Bay Area is great if you enjoy nature. Great hiking, temperate weather all year, access to beaches/skiing etc. that aren't too far away
3) Easy access (cost and amount of time) to other vacations spots: Lake Tahoe, LA/Orange County, San Diego, Hawaii
4) Great food scene
5) Less clubs, but SF is such a dense city, that if you make an effort, you should be able to make friends and find other ways to be a degenerate. There are plenty of music concerts, comedy clubs, karaoke nights, etc. around.
I do think the average WSO user is spoiled to a degree because many come from NYC. Relative to most cities, SF has more to do, has a bigger social scene, better food, etc. It's just not NYC.
Agree, but I guess it’s a bit more difficult and out-of-the-way to explore new things when you’re just starting out bc (1) you don’t know many people and (2) still working pretty long hours.
Had a few friends struggle to finish a year in SF and have ended up just moving back to NYC. NY is just more accessible to do something fun when you’re in a pinch. And it’s pretty much the same CoL.
Also, the people are (let’s just say) different. As a dude in NY, you’re used to being surrounded by relatively attractive girls. NY has more women vs men, fashion is big (I find in general people care more abt how they look), dating scene is big, etc. The dating scene is definitely tougher in SF.
I’d say if you’re moving from NY, you should take time to consider the move to SF. I get the nature stuff and nicer weather, but how much do you really care?
Just my 2¢.
the weather also fucking sucks. it’s cold, windy, and gloomy year round
sf fucking sucks. depressed af having to live here. counting down the days til next bonus & i’m out to nyc. fuck this place and the weird ass people / culture
From the east coast and share the sentiment here. SF is absolute fucking ass.
Weather: 4/10, cold and windy most of the year
Food: 5/10, good luck ordering after 10pm on weekdays and hope you enjoy paying $20 for the deli sub 2 blocks from your office
Infrastructure: 7/10, public transport entrances dominated by homeless people so unusable, but city does a decent job at sidewalk, street maintenance
Dating scene: 0/10, I switched my dating app location to NY for 1 week and found more hot matches than months in SF. Unless you are into mid asian girls this is not the place
Night scene: 3/10, bars and clubs suck mostly because the limited quality girls which aggregate in about 3 bars/clubs
The only fucking good thing people have to say about SF is the hiking and nature but brothers do you really want to spend Saturday by wasting 2+ hours in transit to climb rocks for hours vs enjoying a 11am brunch and multi hour cheek clapping session that NY has to offer on a weekly basis?
Overall: -2/10
Conclusion: SF is gay
Fuck I cannot wait to get out of here lol.
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Which 3 clubs would you say? Monrose perhaps?
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Amen
am i the only one who dgaf about "hiking" or "nature" ... which seems to be the only "redeeming" thing SF has to offer (outside of being the tech epicenter) ... lol
Its not for everyone, but lots of folk, myself included, enjoy the outdoors. It is good for the mental state after being in front of computer worrying about trades for long periods of time. My experience is as I got older, I started appreciating nature more and more. But when I was intern age, like you my child, I also dgaf about it much. There will come a time where your body/mind will require peace that will not come from whatever channels you currently get it from. Nature may be an effective escape.
P.S. I effing hated living in SF (outside of doing biking/hiking stuff far away from the actual city).
Sf nightlife used to be fire. One example is a gay fistfucking club in soma called the sling. It had a bunch of slings everywhere and the official lube was crisco (that was actually what biggie was originally going to reference on going back to Cali when he says “drinking Cisco with some freaks from Frisco”).
As someone who lived in sf for 20 years before college, the party life is definitely abysmal but the nature is nice in sf tbh. Cleaner city than everyone thinks as well. Just nothing to do for fun
SF is one of the dirtiest cities I will ever see
Let’s see this thread in 4 months when New York is inhabitable from the cold and there’s not shit to do
Thought the same thing….New York is great in the fall but let’s not forget the winter when you feel sick for 5/6 months and work the whole time
First winter in NYC coming up and I am not prepared
Don't know how to phrase this but I'll try my best. Don't through Monkey shit at me until fully reading.
I grew up in the UK, but fam is from south asia. Lived in SF for a bit and liked it because there was a big ethnic/immigrant community. Having that is always great, since you immediately have a network in place already, and that takes care of the post move loneliness real quick.
But if you're a finance guy from a standard background (anglo multi-generational white american, from a conservative background) I can see SF being.....not ideal. Furthermore, California is all about the outdoors. Beaches, mountains, parks, watersports, etc...If you're not into that, then this place really isn't for you.
I'm in DC now, and was in Manhattan briefly between SF and DC, and ya the east coast is great, but there isn't much to do besides eat and drink. I miss the general scenery of Cali multiple times per day. I like the outdoors and go out probably twice a month, so manhattan never really did it for me.
Ultimately moving anywhere is just difficult, the older you get. I refuse to move anywhere where I don't know at least 3 people. Putting yourself out there might fix it, but it also might not, nobody knows.
Hope you get your move back to NYC soon though.
Dude I’m Latino moved to the us at 11. The immigrant community in nyc is massive so not sure SF has any edge there. The difference is that community is filled with people who just want to eat and drink and fuck (as you mentioned above). Plus the dating scene in nyc is unmatched except maybe Miami and LA. You will like SF if you’re more low key, don’t like to party, are in a relationship, and love the outdoors.
Did the move to another smaller finance hub and feel same way. I am trying to go a lot more with coworkers, think it would help the office culture and have things to do to meet others. There has to be fun clubs or bars that are your vibe, push coworkers to go and meet people that way. Also dating apps help if you're single.
Good luck man, know its tough and you are not alone.
I think I would literally rather work in Seoul or Sao Paulo than fucking San Francisco. At least in SP the people are genuinely nice and attractive, still a crime ridden shithole, of course.
I appreciate everyone has their own opinion but this forum gives SF so much hate its hilarious. There is plenty of demand from people who want to live here already so no problem.....
SF is a great place to live if you enjoy activities other than binge drinking. Great comedians and artists roll through, dank food, and an absurd amount of outdoor activities / parks. But nightlife is very tame and laid back.
Its best suited for those who enjoy day activities to night. I’m in my late 20s now so much more appealing to me (like 99999x more appealing than NYC), but if I were in my early 20s mindset I would probably feel the same as you.
My friends and I spend Winters splitting a house to ski in Tahoe, go to Napa/Sonoma every month or so, spend weekends hiking in Marin, surfing, swimming in the Bay, or chilling in a park (Dolores is a favorite for people watching). Just a much better balanced life than blacking out 3x a week from my NYC analyst days (not knocking it, just saying your interests change over time).
The crime and dirtiness is horrible downtown. Many cities suffering from this now but SF is worse because there’s less people walking around to soften the jarring nature of it. But there are a million dope areas to explore, both in SF and Marin and Oakland/Berkeley.
IMO you need a car to really enjoy SF, like many non-NYC cities.
I bet you’re not single. Look all that sounds great but the chicks are busted. I went from literally smokeshow FIT and parsons students and starving models to slightly chubby “thiccque” mediocre brunettes. Also how are they all slightly chubby if they all claim to “love the outdoors” so much???
Not sure why this man is getting MS. This is spot on.
If you were pulling models in NYC you should be an absolute king in SF. There are way more attractive girls in NYC (or LA), but the competition is also 99x as high. There are plenty of options in SF, and they typically have personalities you actually want to date (vs. NYC much better for one night stands); go to Equinox on Union St and report back.
The difference is you have to actually have game to pull girls outside of NYC. You can’t just meet on Tinder and/or meet going on a blackout drunk hunting spree at 1am in West Village. You need to have actual hobbies where you meet them (other than work or drinking), and confidence to engage with them outside of a bar setting.
Again this relates to stages in life; I agree early 20s NYC is great. I also promise you by that late 20s the vast majority of people get over that stage of life. Out of >20 friends and family who lived in NYC, I only know one person who actually wanted to stay beyond a few young years. It’s a concrete jail cell of alcoholics and insecure lonely people who justify living in a shoebox and paying $5k so they can pretend they hook up with models.
I’m not even a huge SF fanboy. It’s more of a big town than a city. But for all the NYC fanboys, let me know your thoughts after living there for 5 years.
We actually probably agree more than this thread let’s on. But IMO NYC is best for a few years out of undergrad, and SF/smaller cities are much better after that if you want an actual sustainable lifestyle.
Just moved up to SF for my analyst program and it's 100% the worst major city in california. Yeah parts are nice but it absolutely cannot compare to socal or even the central coast. Tons of crime, homeless fucks everywhere, and you pay a LOT for the 'privilege'. Not gonna be sticking in SF for more than another year. If it had chicago's COL and felt a little safer it might feel worthwhile
One of the worst "major" cities in the developed world IMO.
Moved here last year for my job in IB (despite my tagline lol) and have grown to hate the city already. I moved from a smaller west-coast city and was looking forward to my first 'big city' experience; not having spent much time in NY, it's not a matter of comparing SF to NYC. When I first moved here I was in a long term relationship, so I was more cool with just hanging out on the weekends, and when my gf came to visit we had a wide selection of restaurants, did weekend trips/drive to Napa, east bay, SC, etc. Still, it didn't take me long to realize just how small the city is despite being the second finance center of the US.
Now that I'm single and going out more with my friends on the weekends, the city has lost most of its merits to me. I grew up in a very outdoorsy culture and have little interest in that at this stage in my life, though I'm sure it will come back. Night life is horrible here, and the dating scene for men is very bad. Also, as has been mentioned, everything closes very early, so even ordering Seamless after 8:30 or so is super limiting.
I've made it a priority to leave the city next summer, it's just not worth wasting all of my early 20s here. I really hoped I would like SF, potentially even start a life here, given the number of tech funds in the bay area, but I've decided there are things more important to me than work, and it's not worth the sacrifice.
Makes sense. SF is very much not a big city; more of a town.
I still feel like you can do all the hobbies you mentioned with your S/O, just with a group of friends.
I could be wrong but a lot of SF hate on this thread just sounds like generally lonely people who left school and miss their friends. Not to be the bearer of bad news but that trend continues; people move all over in their 20s. Gets tough to make friends as you get older but if you can find a solid group of friends, any smaller city can offer amazing lifestyle (SF included).
True - I wonder what SF would be like if we could jam the city, the peninsula, and SJ together without the bay being in the way.
And you're right, I could, but I guess what I'm saying is that I don't really have the desire to. There are some things I would like to do with an s/o that I have less interest in doing with friends. Similarly, a weekend night in with my s/o can be nice, but if I'm single I'd generally rather be out messing around.
I think your last point is good as well, but there are definitely things, like nightlife, that you just don't get in SF. I've done trips with friends/met friends to/in Vegas, LA, NYC, and you just can't find the same scene or energy here.
I do believe that SF, or more accurately the peninsula, would be a good place to live in your late 20s/early 30s onwards once you've hopefully grown out of this phase, but for now I feel it really is kind of limited.
It's not just loneliness or "bitterness" that drive the hate... SF has a lot of jobs so a decent chunk of people who move here will have friends in the city. I have friends here I hang out with but that won't change the fact that the city is small, lacks nightlife, has rampant vagrancy, has a rather anti-social crowd (relative to other cities like NYC or LA), a bad dating market, a sleepy vibe, windy and foggy weather, outrageous prices.
A decent proportion of people I meet who are originally from SF also tend not to love it so that speaks volumes...
The city shuts down way too early. I can never find any restaurants open after 8pm or so it sucks.
I just moved to sf about 2 months ago
all my friends are in south bay working in tech...
so would be happy to have sf happy hour before I get depressed
Lived in the bay my whole life before college, so I feel you. SF is dead after 12AM pretty much everyday of the week, but south bay is pretty fun.
Give it time to make friends it may take a little while but it will get 100% better after that.
This is a hilarious thread bc I agree that SF is trash
So true lol
Guess who just had a cat convertor stolen from their car last week. Love the Bay Area :)
I was bored and read this whole thread.
Hilarious.
All these guys complaining the dating scene in sf sucks compared to nyc lol. Let’s say that’s true, and there is a clear night and day difference in dating scenes.
You’re telling me in the entire area of San Fran you cannot find hot girls to sleep with? Think of how insane that complaint is.
You can find a hot single girl in a large American city? That’s your main complaint? Not the crime and homelessness and massive wokeness? Your major complaint is that you can’t find a hot girl in the 17th most populous city in America? Like you losers were sleeping with models constantly in nyc. Please.
Tell me you don’t do well in nyc without telling me
I’m married and doing pretty well. Thanks for the dynamite response.
Young single guys stuck in the office all week living in relatively cleaner / more affluent areas are more focused on having weekend fun in their own lives? What a shock.
And yes, the young / casual dating scene in SF is much worse. I've never heard anyone say otherwise, even those riding for SF acknowledge that.
You missed the entire point of my post.
I am saying that the theory that there are zero hot girls in SF is insane given how large a city it is.
Also, the losers posting on this thread are not banging models in nyc, sf or any city on the planet. You’re not brad pitt.
So not moving to San Fran because the “dating scene isn’t ideal” is the stupidest sh*t I’ve ever read.
If you can’t get laid in a large city like San Fran, it’s not cause the girls suck, it’s cause you suck.
Get it now?
I feel the difference between SF and NYC is simple: NY is where old people act young, SF is where young people act old. In NYC Ive seen 40 year olds party at 4am and in SF I see them actually ask to go home at 9pm. The point is that in the Bay Area all the activities are geared toward non-partying, daytime, often weekend activities. If you are an old soul kinda person you will love the Bay, as we think of it as the Bay vs just SF and anyone in their right mind who wants a family would move to Menlo Park, Palo Alto, Marin, or any other nice suburb not in SF. People make their money in SF then leave, its how its always been. I feel like those who HATE SF just went into it with the wrong expectations that its just west coast NYC when they are completely opposite in every single way.
For context, I don't drink, I love hiking, and hate humidity. I love the Bay, even though I have been robbed before.
Spent a year in SF as a 1st year analyst. Quit after bonus and moved far away. I hate SF lol
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