4 More Things You Learn as a Rental Property Investor
A few weeks ago I wrote about 5 things I learned while I went through the process of purchasing an investment property. I have now been an investment property owner for several months and I thought the next logical step was to write about 4 more things you learn as a rental property investor.
1) Getting a mortgage on an investment property creates more red tape than a tape factory after getting attacked by the Kool-Aid guy. As I wrote in the first part, we went on margin at very low cost with our financial custodian in order to insure we could close on the property before the other competing bids. We had spoken with our mortgage banker and he assured us that we would be able to close on the mortgage in a timely fashion given that we went 40% LTV and both possessed very strong credit histories.
In the two weeks leading up to our project close date I had sent 4 emails to our banker asking if we were still on schedule. He insisted everything was fine. The day prior to close I asked if we were ready to close tomorrow and the banker said “well, it’s not looking good”. Apparently the legal department took umbrage with our getting the mortgage via an LLC and they had to reevaluate the entire project. This process took several extra weeks. Luckily it didn't affect our ability to close on the property but it's been a pain regardless.
2) If you don’t hire a property manager, you will be watching a lot of YouTube videos. I am just about the least handy person in the world. Seriously, I once almost burned our house down trying to warm up ice cream in a toaster oven. The budget we underwrote for the project did not support getting a property manager (maybe if we do more of these it will make sense to get one though), I’m the defacto handyman. In the three weeks since our tenants have moved in I have been called to fix the radiator, the toilet, and the disposal. Now it turns out that none of them were broken to the point they had to be replaced, but I had no idea how to fix any of them. I turned to YouTube and learned how to turn off radiators, reattach the handle to toilets, and unclog a disposal. It was very fulfilling.
3) Familiarity often breeds contempt. We are obtaining the mortgage through a bank in Pennsylvania near my hometown that handles my personal banking. We did this because I had a relationship with them and thought that they would take better care of us than someone who didn’t know me from Adam. In hindsight this was a big mistake. The bank did not know the market and thus has had a hard time valuing the property (which has contributed to the delay in getting the mortgage approved). They also had issues getting an appraiser up here to do the appraisal. Furthermore the bank also does not have any branches within 100 miles of where I live. Our monthly rent checks are greater than the maximum allowed mobile deposit so I have to send the checks each month to my banker to get them deposited. If we had to do it over again we’d go with a local lender for the mortgage and a local bank for our LLC bank accounts.
4) You have to learn how to say no to your tenants. My tenants have my personal cell phone number and email and I told them to contact me with any issues. I was unprepared for the deluge of questions that I would receive from them. They did not know how to turn on the air conditioning, they did not know how to turn off the radiator, and they did not know how to turn the key in the lock (seriously), among other things. Their movers also could not fit their couch into the apartment. I sincerely tried to help them through the first issues, but this turned out to be a time suck. I felt bad but I told them that if there were issues with things being broken I would fix them, but if they could not figure out how to turn something on or how to use an appliance they had to figure it out themselves. This felt harsh but at the same time they are getting cheaper rent because we haven’t hired a property manager so I think it’s a fair trade.
It has been at times a frustrating experience so far but I've learned a lot and am glad we did the deal. I'll keep you guys updated if there are any other interesting happenings with either the lender or my tenants.
PS Here's part 1: 5 Things You Should Know Before Buying A Rental Property
One more:
Never get involved with a partner on this unless you are related by blood
Good read
Why shouldn't you get involved unless you are related? I was thinking of buying a multifamily with a couple buddies.
The only ship that's guaranteed to sink is a partnership
agree with prospie, also don't go into business with family is a bigger rule.
Also, can you please provide link of your post regarding 5 things you learned while going through purchasing process? Thanks
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/5-things-you-should-know-before-b…
Awesome thread, thanks!
In response to point 1: your mortgage banker sucks, find a new one.
Yeah. Your experience isn't typical.
Also, hire a property manager. You'll thank me later.
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Thanks for sharing experience, any update on how investment is going? Any more you learned?
Also, if you get a chance, can you outline the general timing for closing the transaction? Timing for closing the loan?
Partnering on multifamily is much better than single family. Also I would give you the opposite advice, never partner with anyone related to you by blood. I have seen too many families fighting within over small things. It ruins the relationship.
Well if you buy it on the courthouse steps closing takes about 2 hours.
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I would say, never enter into an equal partnership. If you're going to be in a partnership then there should be a general partner with managerial authority and limited partners with no managerial authority. The issues I've seen with partnerships are the ones that have 3 owners and 3 managers, or 4 owners and 4 managers, and so on.
agreed. Also defer to your partners advice if he has experience doing this (try to get a partner who does something you don't). My partner is an architect. When he says this town sucks for permitting, that means it sucks for permitting lol.
I currently have a rental and just did two value add flips (single fam).
1 BE VERY PICKY with you tenants. Pick only the best candidates even if it a slightly lower rate. I have given lower rates to double income older families rather than college kids who will mess up my house.
2 Don't hire a property manger. They will eat your profits. Until you have multiple properties it is just not worth it IMO.
3 find a trusty handyman, pay him well. My handyman fixes all the small BS (trust me there is a ton).
4 Learn your eviction laws. Try to buy in areas that are more landlord friendly. Also have a GOOD eviction attorney ready.
5 Sometimes it is easier to get a commercial loan on a multifamily than a mortgage on a 3rd, 4th, 5th investment home. (this will be my next investment)
YoungBiz, sounds like great advice. I see your point on the property manager. Did you have this experience? Hire a property manager at first and rationalize the lost returns wasn't worth the convenience of a manager? I am looking to purchase in an area that is a 5 hr drive away...so a property manger seems inevitable.
Also, what was your experience with lease-up time for tenants? Depends on area/market cycle of course, but jw how long it took for you.
Appreciate any advice
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